When were the Vedas classified into four?
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It is said that Veda was one and later Vyasa arranged it into four ( rig sama yaju atharva) and then propagated through his pupil and hence we got shakhaas etc.
What was time time when vedas were rearranged into four?
Were it only one before that?
I am looking for authentic reference for vedas becoming four from one and the era when it was done.
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It is said that Veda was one and later Vyasa arranged it into four ( rig sama yaju atharva) and then propagated through his pupil and hence we got shakhaas etc.
What was time time when vedas were rearranged into four?
Were it only one before that?
I am looking for authentic reference for vedas becoming four from one and the era when it was done.
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'authentic reference' - What is authentic? You want historical research/references or Puranic? You can tag 'history' if you need an answer from modern historians.
– sv.
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Authentic reference means scriptural reference here .. It might mean historian's opinions somewhere else but not here @sv.
– Rickross
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@Rakesh historians will say whn Vyasa had divided the Vedas or the Puranas will say that?
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It is said that Veda was one and later Vyasa arranged it into four ( rig sama yaju atharva) and then propagated through his pupil and hence we got shakhaas etc.
What was time time when vedas were rearranged into four?
Were it only one before that?
I am looking for authentic reference for vedas becoming four from one and the era when it was done.
vedas history tradition vyasa
It is said that Veda was one and later Vyasa arranged it into four ( rig sama yaju atharva) and then propagated through his pupil and hence we got shakhaas etc.
What was time time when vedas were rearranged into four?
Were it only one before that?
I am looking for authentic reference for vedas becoming four from one and the era when it was done.
vedas history tradition vyasa
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'authentic reference' - What is authentic? You want historical research/references or Puranic? You can tag 'history' if you need an answer from modern historians.
– sv.
7 hours ago
Authentic reference means scriptural reference here .. It might mean historian's opinions somewhere else but not here @sv.
– Rickross
57 mins ago
@Rakesh historians will say whn Vyasa had divided the Vedas or the Puranas will say that?
– Rickross
36 mins ago
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'authentic reference' - What is authentic? You want historical research/references or Puranic? You can tag 'history' if you need an answer from modern historians.
– sv.
7 hours ago
Authentic reference means scriptural reference here .. It might mean historian's opinions somewhere else but not here @sv.
– Rickross
57 mins ago
@Rakesh historians will say whn Vyasa had divided the Vedas or the Puranas will say that?
– Rickross
36 mins ago
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'authentic reference' - What is authentic? You want historical research/references or Puranic? You can tag 'history' if you need an answer from modern historians.
– sv.
7 hours ago
'authentic reference' - What is authentic? You want historical research/references or Puranic? You can tag 'history' if you need an answer from modern historians.
– sv.
7 hours ago
Authentic reference means scriptural reference here .. It might mean historian's opinions somewhere else but not here @sv.
– Rickross
57 mins ago
Authentic reference means scriptural reference here .. It might mean historian's opinions somewhere else but not here @sv.
– Rickross
57 mins ago
@Rakesh historians will say whn Vyasa had divided the Vedas or the Puranas will say that?
– Rickross
36 mins ago
@Rakesh historians will say whn Vyasa had divided the Vedas or the Puranas will say that?
– Rickross
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We find a clear reference in Srimad Bhagavatam 1.4.19 that Bhagavan Veda Vyasa divided the Vedas from one into four.
He saw that the sacrifices mentioned in the Vedas were means by which the people’s occupations could be purified. And to simplify the process he divided the one Veda into four, in order to expand them among men.
Regarding when this was done Srimad Bhagavatam 1.4.25 has the answer again. It was done prior to compiling the Mahabharata, which means in the Dwapara Yuga before Kali Yuga since the sequence is mentioned in the verses.
Out of compassion, the great sage thought it wise that this would enable men to achieve the ultimate goal of life. Thus he compiled the great historical narration called the Mahābhārata for women, laborers and friends of the twice-born.
We also find in Srimad Bhagavatam 12.6.50,
Śrīla Vyāsadeva separated the mantras of the Ṛg, Atharva, Yajur and Sāma Vedas into four divisions, just as one sorts out a mixed collection of jewels into piles. Thus he composed four distinct Vedic literatures.
What you want to say by mentioning stree shudra and dwija bandhu
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3 hours ago
Sorry but which block-quote actually says that in Dwapara Yuga the division was done?
– Rickross
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Q. When?
A. At the end of Dwaparayuga
Q. By Whom?
A. By VedaVyasa
Q. Why?
A. Considering shortened strength and life-time (incapability to learn whole Veda) in Kaliyuga
Q. How?
A. According to Mantras used in Yajna by Ritvij
According to Srimad Bhagavatam 12.6:
Vedas are manifested from OMkara:
Text 40-41
One perceives this [eternal, itself imperceptibly manifesting] sound, outside the physical sense of hearing and power of vision. The complete of the Vedic sound one employs is an elaboration of this omkâra that from the soul manifests itself in the ether. It constitutes the direct expression of the self-generating Absolute Truth and Supersoul, it constitutes the eternal seed of the Vedas and constitutes the secret of all mantras [see also 7.15: 31, 9.14: 48, 11.14: 34-35, 11.21: 36-40].
Vedas inherently constitutes Rik, Yajur and Sama hymns (even before the division):
Which inherently constitutes Rik, Sama and Yajur (even before the division of Vedas)
Text 42
Oh eminence of Bhrigu, the three sounds of the alphabet beginning with A that came into being [the sounds A, U and M], are fundamental to [all] the threefold forms of material existence: the modes [the gunas], the names [of the three Vedas], the destinations [the three types of lokas] and the states of consciousness [avasthâtraya].
Brahma manifested four Vedas from his four faces:
Text 44
For the purpose of giving instruction on the four sacrifices [see ritvik], the almighty one created with all these sounds from his four faces the four Vedas, along with his omkâra and vyâhriti invocations [of the names of the seven lokas].
Brahma taught Vedas to his son as one (complete set - without division):
Text 45
He taught them [as a complete set] to his sons who were the great rishis among the brahmins most expert in the art of Vedic recitation, and they in their turn imparted them as instructors of dharma [âcâryas] to their sons.
Touching the question:
These headed down in in every Yugas upto Dwapara and divided at the end of Dwaparayuga:
ते परम्परया प्राप्तास्तत्तच्छिष्यैर्धृतव्रतैः ।
चतुर्युगेष्वथ व्यस्ता द्वापरादौ महर्षिभिः ॥ ४६॥
Text 46
Throughout the four yugas generation after generation, one after the other disciple fixed in his vows received them [these Vedas] by disciplic succession [paramparâ]. They were divided among the prominent sages at the end of Dvâpara-yuga.
The reason for division is incapability and short life-period of man near to Kaliyuga: (as I mentioned in this answer)
Text 47
The brahmin sages, inspired by the Infallible Lord situated in their hearts, came to that dividing among each other of the Vedas when they saw that under the influence of time the intelligence [of the people] diminished, the life span shortened and the strength weakened [see also 1.4: 16-18].
Observing that under the influence of kâla [the people became] lesser intelligent and short-lived and that their strength was diminished, divided the chief sages, inspired by the Infallible Lord situated in their hearts, the Vedas [see also 1.4: 16-18].
The one who has accomplished the task of division is none other than Vyasa:
Text 48-49
Oh brahmin, in this period [of Manu], Brahmâ and S'iva and other rulers over the worlds requested the Supreme Lord, the Protector of the Universe, to protect the principles of religion. Oh most fortunate soul, the Lord [in the form of Krishna Dvaipâyana Vyâsa], by Parâs'ara begotten in the womb of Satyavatî, then descended as a partial expansion of His plenary portion [Sankarshana] and divided the Veda in four.
How Vyasa divided Vedas (as I discussed in this answer) is explained in further verse:
Text 50
Like someone sorting out gems, he separated the group of mantras in four categories of collections [Samhitâs]: the Rig, Atharva, Yajur and Sâma Veda [see Vedas].
It is not 3 Vedas - it is Vedavidyatrayi .. i.e the 3 kinds of Vedic Mantras (note Vidya in Tantra refers to Mantras for female deities, so Vidya basically means Mantra) - Rik,Yajus and Sama.
– Rickross
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The other answer does not mention AFAICS in which Yuga it was done. Your answer says that.
– Rickross
58 mins ago
@Rickross yes, there are four Vedas as said in 44th verse.
– Pandya♦
41 mins ago
I think this division happen in every Dwapara yuga....else how Lord Rama was trained in Yajurveda?
– YDS
24 mins ago
@YDS Yes, in every Dwapara Yuga. See the starting of verse 48: in this period of Manu
– Pandya♦
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According to Devi Bhagavatam too Veda Vyasa divides the Veda into four parts in Dwapara Yuga of each Manvantara.
18-24. At every Manvantara, in each Dvâpara Yuga, Veda Vyâsa expounds
the Purânas duly to preserve the religion. Veda Vyâsa is no other
person than Visnu Himself; He, in the form of Veda Vyâsa, divides the
(one) Veda into four parts, in every Dvâpara Yuga, for the good of the
world. The Brahmânas of the Kali age are shortlived and their
intellect (Buddhi) is not sharp; they cannot realise the meaning after
studying the Vedas; knowing this in every Dvâpara Yuga Bhagavân
expounds the holy Purâna Samhitas.
From the Purana's Book 1, Chapter 3
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We find a clear reference in Srimad Bhagavatam 1.4.19 that Bhagavan Veda Vyasa divided the Vedas from one into four.
He saw that the sacrifices mentioned in the Vedas were means by which the people’s occupations could be purified. And to simplify the process he divided the one Veda into four, in order to expand them among men.
Regarding when this was done Srimad Bhagavatam 1.4.25 has the answer again. It was done prior to compiling the Mahabharata, which means in the Dwapara Yuga before Kali Yuga since the sequence is mentioned in the verses.
Out of compassion, the great sage thought it wise that this would enable men to achieve the ultimate goal of life. Thus he compiled the great historical narration called the Mahābhārata for women, laborers and friends of the twice-born.
We also find in Srimad Bhagavatam 12.6.50,
Śrīla Vyāsadeva separated the mantras of the Ṛg, Atharva, Yajur and Sāma Vedas into four divisions, just as one sorts out a mixed collection of jewels into piles. Thus he composed four distinct Vedic literatures.
What you want to say by mentioning stree shudra and dwija bandhu
– Rakesh Joshi
3 hours ago
Sorry but which block-quote actually says that in Dwapara Yuga the division was done?
– Rickross
59 mins ago
add a comment |
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We find a clear reference in Srimad Bhagavatam 1.4.19 that Bhagavan Veda Vyasa divided the Vedas from one into four.
He saw that the sacrifices mentioned in the Vedas were means by which the people’s occupations could be purified. And to simplify the process he divided the one Veda into four, in order to expand them among men.
Regarding when this was done Srimad Bhagavatam 1.4.25 has the answer again. It was done prior to compiling the Mahabharata, which means in the Dwapara Yuga before Kali Yuga since the sequence is mentioned in the verses.
Out of compassion, the great sage thought it wise that this would enable men to achieve the ultimate goal of life. Thus he compiled the great historical narration called the Mahābhārata for women, laborers and friends of the twice-born.
We also find in Srimad Bhagavatam 12.6.50,
Śrīla Vyāsadeva separated the mantras of the Ṛg, Atharva, Yajur and Sāma Vedas into four divisions, just as one sorts out a mixed collection of jewels into piles. Thus he composed four distinct Vedic literatures.
What you want to say by mentioning stree shudra and dwija bandhu
– Rakesh Joshi
3 hours ago
Sorry but which block-quote actually says that in Dwapara Yuga the division was done?
– Rickross
59 mins ago
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We find a clear reference in Srimad Bhagavatam 1.4.19 that Bhagavan Veda Vyasa divided the Vedas from one into four.
He saw that the sacrifices mentioned in the Vedas were means by which the people’s occupations could be purified. And to simplify the process he divided the one Veda into four, in order to expand them among men.
Regarding when this was done Srimad Bhagavatam 1.4.25 has the answer again. It was done prior to compiling the Mahabharata, which means in the Dwapara Yuga before Kali Yuga since the sequence is mentioned in the verses.
Out of compassion, the great sage thought it wise that this would enable men to achieve the ultimate goal of life. Thus he compiled the great historical narration called the Mahābhārata for women, laborers and friends of the twice-born.
We also find in Srimad Bhagavatam 12.6.50,
Śrīla Vyāsadeva separated the mantras of the Ṛg, Atharva, Yajur and Sāma Vedas into four divisions, just as one sorts out a mixed collection of jewels into piles. Thus he composed four distinct Vedic literatures.
We find a clear reference in Srimad Bhagavatam 1.4.19 that Bhagavan Veda Vyasa divided the Vedas from one into four.
He saw that the sacrifices mentioned in the Vedas were means by which the people’s occupations could be purified. And to simplify the process he divided the one Veda into four, in order to expand them among men.
Regarding when this was done Srimad Bhagavatam 1.4.25 has the answer again. It was done prior to compiling the Mahabharata, which means in the Dwapara Yuga before Kali Yuga since the sequence is mentioned in the verses.
Out of compassion, the great sage thought it wise that this would enable men to achieve the ultimate goal of life. Thus he compiled the great historical narration called the Mahābhārata for women, laborers and friends of the twice-born.
We also find in Srimad Bhagavatam 12.6.50,
Śrīla Vyāsadeva separated the mantras of the Ṛg, Atharva, Yajur and Sāma Vedas into four divisions, just as one sorts out a mixed collection of jewels into piles. Thus he composed four distinct Vedic literatures.
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What you want to say by mentioning stree shudra and dwija bandhu
– Rakesh Joshi
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Sorry but which block-quote actually says that in Dwapara Yuga the division was done?
– Rickross
59 mins ago
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What you want to say by mentioning stree shudra and dwija bandhu
– Rakesh Joshi
3 hours ago
Sorry but which block-quote actually says that in Dwapara Yuga the division was done?
– Rickross
59 mins ago
What you want to say by mentioning stree shudra and dwija bandhu
– Rakesh Joshi
3 hours ago
What you want to say by mentioning stree shudra and dwija bandhu
– Rakesh Joshi
3 hours ago
Sorry but which block-quote actually says that in Dwapara Yuga the division was done?
– Rickross
59 mins ago
Sorry but which block-quote actually says that in Dwapara Yuga the division was done?
– Rickross
59 mins ago
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Q. When?
A. At the end of Dwaparayuga
Q. By Whom?
A. By VedaVyasa
Q. Why?
A. Considering shortened strength and life-time (incapability to learn whole Veda) in Kaliyuga
Q. How?
A. According to Mantras used in Yajna by Ritvij
According to Srimad Bhagavatam 12.6:
Vedas are manifested from OMkara:
Text 40-41
One perceives this [eternal, itself imperceptibly manifesting] sound, outside the physical sense of hearing and power of vision. The complete of the Vedic sound one employs is an elaboration of this omkâra that from the soul manifests itself in the ether. It constitutes the direct expression of the self-generating Absolute Truth and Supersoul, it constitutes the eternal seed of the Vedas and constitutes the secret of all mantras [see also 7.15: 31, 9.14: 48, 11.14: 34-35, 11.21: 36-40].
Vedas inherently constitutes Rik, Yajur and Sama hymns (even before the division):
Which inherently constitutes Rik, Sama and Yajur (even before the division of Vedas)
Text 42
Oh eminence of Bhrigu, the three sounds of the alphabet beginning with A that came into being [the sounds A, U and M], are fundamental to [all] the threefold forms of material existence: the modes [the gunas], the names [of the three Vedas], the destinations [the three types of lokas] and the states of consciousness [avasthâtraya].
Brahma manifested four Vedas from his four faces:
Text 44
For the purpose of giving instruction on the four sacrifices [see ritvik], the almighty one created with all these sounds from his four faces the four Vedas, along with his omkâra and vyâhriti invocations [of the names of the seven lokas].
Brahma taught Vedas to his son as one (complete set - without division):
Text 45
He taught them [as a complete set] to his sons who were the great rishis among the brahmins most expert in the art of Vedic recitation, and they in their turn imparted them as instructors of dharma [âcâryas] to their sons.
Touching the question:
These headed down in in every Yugas upto Dwapara and divided at the end of Dwaparayuga:
ते परम्परया प्राप्तास्तत्तच्छिष्यैर्धृतव्रतैः ।
चतुर्युगेष्वथ व्यस्ता द्वापरादौ महर्षिभिः ॥ ४६॥
Text 46
Throughout the four yugas generation after generation, one after the other disciple fixed in his vows received them [these Vedas] by disciplic succession [paramparâ]. They were divided among the prominent sages at the end of Dvâpara-yuga.
The reason for division is incapability and short life-period of man near to Kaliyuga: (as I mentioned in this answer)
Text 47
The brahmin sages, inspired by the Infallible Lord situated in their hearts, came to that dividing among each other of the Vedas when they saw that under the influence of time the intelligence [of the people] diminished, the life span shortened and the strength weakened [see also 1.4: 16-18].
Observing that under the influence of kâla [the people became] lesser intelligent and short-lived and that their strength was diminished, divided the chief sages, inspired by the Infallible Lord situated in their hearts, the Vedas [see also 1.4: 16-18].
The one who has accomplished the task of division is none other than Vyasa:
Text 48-49
Oh brahmin, in this period [of Manu], Brahmâ and S'iva and other rulers over the worlds requested the Supreme Lord, the Protector of the Universe, to protect the principles of religion. Oh most fortunate soul, the Lord [in the form of Krishna Dvaipâyana Vyâsa], by Parâs'ara begotten in the womb of Satyavatî, then descended as a partial expansion of His plenary portion [Sankarshana] and divided the Veda in four.
How Vyasa divided Vedas (as I discussed in this answer) is explained in further verse:
Text 50
Like someone sorting out gems, he separated the group of mantras in four categories of collections [Samhitâs]: the Rig, Atharva, Yajur and Sâma Veda [see Vedas].
It is not 3 Vedas - it is Vedavidyatrayi .. i.e the 3 kinds of Vedic Mantras (note Vidya in Tantra refers to Mantras for female deities, so Vidya basically means Mantra) - Rik,Yajus and Sama.
– Rickross
1 hour ago
1
The other answer does not mention AFAICS in which Yuga it was done. Your answer says that.
– Rickross
58 mins ago
@Rickross yes, there are four Vedas as said in 44th verse.
– Pandya♦
41 mins ago
I think this division happen in every Dwapara yuga....else how Lord Rama was trained in Yajurveda?
– YDS
24 mins ago
@YDS Yes, in every Dwapara Yuga. See the starting of verse 48: in this period of Manu
– Pandya♦
3 mins ago
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Q. When?
A. At the end of Dwaparayuga
Q. By Whom?
A. By VedaVyasa
Q. Why?
A. Considering shortened strength and life-time (incapability to learn whole Veda) in Kaliyuga
Q. How?
A. According to Mantras used in Yajna by Ritvij
According to Srimad Bhagavatam 12.6:
Vedas are manifested from OMkara:
Text 40-41
One perceives this [eternal, itself imperceptibly manifesting] sound, outside the physical sense of hearing and power of vision. The complete of the Vedic sound one employs is an elaboration of this omkâra that from the soul manifests itself in the ether. It constitutes the direct expression of the self-generating Absolute Truth and Supersoul, it constitutes the eternal seed of the Vedas and constitutes the secret of all mantras [see also 7.15: 31, 9.14: 48, 11.14: 34-35, 11.21: 36-40].
Vedas inherently constitutes Rik, Yajur and Sama hymns (even before the division):
Which inherently constitutes Rik, Sama and Yajur (even before the division of Vedas)
Text 42
Oh eminence of Bhrigu, the three sounds of the alphabet beginning with A that came into being [the sounds A, U and M], are fundamental to [all] the threefold forms of material existence: the modes [the gunas], the names [of the three Vedas], the destinations [the three types of lokas] and the states of consciousness [avasthâtraya].
Brahma manifested four Vedas from his four faces:
Text 44
For the purpose of giving instruction on the four sacrifices [see ritvik], the almighty one created with all these sounds from his four faces the four Vedas, along with his omkâra and vyâhriti invocations [of the names of the seven lokas].
Brahma taught Vedas to his son as one (complete set - without division):
Text 45
He taught them [as a complete set] to his sons who were the great rishis among the brahmins most expert in the art of Vedic recitation, and they in their turn imparted them as instructors of dharma [âcâryas] to their sons.
Touching the question:
These headed down in in every Yugas upto Dwapara and divided at the end of Dwaparayuga:
ते परम्परया प्राप्तास्तत्तच्छिष्यैर्धृतव्रतैः ।
चतुर्युगेष्वथ व्यस्ता द्वापरादौ महर्षिभिः ॥ ४६॥
Text 46
Throughout the four yugas generation after generation, one after the other disciple fixed in his vows received them [these Vedas] by disciplic succession [paramparâ]. They were divided among the prominent sages at the end of Dvâpara-yuga.
The reason for division is incapability and short life-period of man near to Kaliyuga: (as I mentioned in this answer)
Text 47
The brahmin sages, inspired by the Infallible Lord situated in their hearts, came to that dividing among each other of the Vedas when they saw that under the influence of time the intelligence [of the people] diminished, the life span shortened and the strength weakened [see also 1.4: 16-18].
Observing that under the influence of kâla [the people became] lesser intelligent and short-lived and that their strength was diminished, divided the chief sages, inspired by the Infallible Lord situated in their hearts, the Vedas [see also 1.4: 16-18].
The one who has accomplished the task of division is none other than Vyasa:
Text 48-49
Oh brahmin, in this period [of Manu], Brahmâ and S'iva and other rulers over the worlds requested the Supreme Lord, the Protector of the Universe, to protect the principles of religion. Oh most fortunate soul, the Lord [in the form of Krishna Dvaipâyana Vyâsa], by Parâs'ara begotten in the womb of Satyavatî, then descended as a partial expansion of His plenary portion [Sankarshana] and divided the Veda in four.
How Vyasa divided Vedas (as I discussed in this answer) is explained in further verse:
Text 50
Like someone sorting out gems, he separated the group of mantras in four categories of collections [Samhitâs]: the Rig, Atharva, Yajur and Sâma Veda [see Vedas].
It is not 3 Vedas - it is Vedavidyatrayi .. i.e the 3 kinds of Vedic Mantras (note Vidya in Tantra refers to Mantras for female deities, so Vidya basically means Mantra) - Rik,Yajus and Sama.
– Rickross
1 hour ago
1
The other answer does not mention AFAICS in which Yuga it was done. Your answer says that.
– Rickross
58 mins ago
@Rickross yes, there are four Vedas as said in 44th verse.
– Pandya♦
41 mins ago
I think this division happen in every Dwapara yuga....else how Lord Rama was trained in Yajurveda?
– YDS
24 mins ago
@YDS Yes, in every Dwapara Yuga. See the starting of verse 48: in this period of Manu
– Pandya♦
3 mins ago
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Q. When?
A. At the end of Dwaparayuga
Q. By Whom?
A. By VedaVyasa
Q. Why?
A. Considering shortened strength and life-time (incapability to learn whole Veda) in Kaliyuga
Q. How?
A. According to Mantras used in Yajna by Ritvij
According to Srimad Bhagavatam 12.6:
Vedas are manifested from OMkara:
Text 40-41
One perceives this [eternal, itself imperceptibly manifesting] sound, outside the physical sense of hearing and power of vision. The complete of the Vedic sound one employs is an elaboration of this omkâra that from the soul manifests itself in the ether. It constitutes the direct expression of the self-generating Absolute Truth and Supersoul, it constitutes the eternal seed of the Vedas and constitutes the secret of all mantras [see also 7.15: 31, 9.14: 48, 11.14: 34-35, 11.21: 36-40].
Vedas inherently constitutes Rik, Yajur and Sama hymns (even before the division):
Which inherently constitutes Rik, Sama and Yajur (even before the division of Vedas)
Text 42
Oh eminence of Bhrigu, the three sounds of the alphabet beginning with A that came into being [the sounds A, U and M], are fundamental to [all] the threefold forms of material existence: the modes [the gunas], the names [of the three Vedas], the destinations [the three types of lokas] and the states of consciousness [avasthâtraya].
Brahma manifested four Vedas from his four faces:
Text 44
For the purpose of giving instruction on the four sacrifices [see ritvik], the almighty one created with all these sounds from his four faces the four Vedas, along with his omkâra and vyâhriti invocations [of the names of the seven lokas].
Brahma taught Vedas to his son as one (complete set - without division):
Text 45
He taught them [as a complete set] to his sons who were the great rishis among the brahmins most expert in the art of Vedic recitation, and they in their turn imparted them as instructors of dharma [âcâryas] to their sons.
Touching the question:
These headed down in in every Yugas upto Dwapara and divided at the end of Dwaparayuga:
ते परम्परया प्राप्तास्तत्तच्छिष्यैर्धृतव्रतैः ।
चतुर्युगेष्वथ व्यस्ता द्वापरादौ महर्षिभिः ॥ ४६॥
Text 46
Throughout the four yugas generation after generation, one after the other disciple fixed in his vows received them [these Vedas] by disciplic succession [paramparâ]. They were divided among the prominent sages at the end of Dvâpara-yuga.
The reason for division is incapability and short life-period of man near to Kaliyuga: (as I mentioned in this answer)
Text 47
The brahmin sages, inspired by the Infallible Lord situated in their hearts, came to that dividing among each other of the Vedas when they saw that under the influence of time the intelligence [of the people] diminished, the life span shortened and the strength weakened [see also 1.4: 16-18].
Observing that under the influence of kâla [the people became] lesser intelligent and short-lived and that their strength was diminished, divided the chief sages, inspired by the Infallible Lord situated in their hearts, the Vedas [see also 1.4: 16-18].
The one who has accomplished the task of division is none other than Vyasa:
Text 48-49
Oh brahmin, in this period [of Manu], Brahmâ and S'iva and other rulers over the worlds requested the Supreme Lord, the Protector of the Universe, to protect the principles of religion. Oh most fortunate soul, the Lord [in the form of Krishna Dvaipâyana Vyâsa], by Parâs'ara begotten in the womb of Satyavatî, then descended as a partial expansion of His plenary portion [Sankarshana] and divided the Veda in four.
How Vyasa divided Vedas (as I discussed in this answer) is explained in further verse:
Text 50
Like someone sorting out gems, he separated the group of mantras in four categories of collections [Samhitâs]: the Rig, Atharva, Yajur and Sâma Veda [see Vedas].
Q. When?
A. At the end of Dwaparayuga
Q. By Whom?
A. By VedaVyasa
Q. Why?
A. Considering shortened strength and life-time (incapability to learn whole Veda) in Kaliyuga
Q. How?
A. According to Mantras used in Yajna by Ritvij
According to Srimad Bhagavatam 12.6:
Vedas are manifested from OMkara:
Text 40-41
One perceives this [eternal, itself imperceptibly manifesting] sound, outside the physical sense of hearing and power of vision. The complete of the Vedic sound one employs is an elaboration of this omkâra that from the soul manifests itself in the ether. It constitutes the direct expression of the self-generating Absolute Truth and Supersoul, it constitutes the eternal seed of the Vedas and constitutes the secret of all mantras [see also 7.15: 31, 9.14: 48, 11.14: 34-35, 11.21: 36-40].
Vedas inherently constitutes Rik, Yajur and Sama hymns (even before the division):
Which inherently constitutes Rik, Sama and Yajur (even before the division of Vedas)
Text 42
Oh eminence of Bhrigu, the three sounds of the alphabet beginning with A that came into being [the sounds A, U and M], are fundamental to [all] the threefold forms of material existence: the modes [the gunas], the names [of the three Vedas], the destinations [the three types of lokas] and the states of consciousness [avasthâtraya].
Brahma manifested four Vedas from his four faces:
Text 44
For the purpose of giving instruction on the four sacrifices [see ritvik], the almighty one created with all these sounds from his four faces the four Vedas, along with his omkâra and vyâhriti invocations [of the names of the seven lokas].
Brahma taught Vedas to his son as one (complete set - without division):
Text 45
He taught them [as a complete set] to his sons who were the great rishis among the brahmins most expert in the art of Vedic recitation, and they in their turn imparted them as instructors of dharma [âcâryas] to their sons.
Touching the question:
These headed down in in every Yugas upto Dwapara and divided at the end of Dwaparayuga:
ते परम्परया प्राप्तास्तत्तच्छिष्यैर्धृतव्रतैः ।
चतुर्युगेष्वथ व्यस्ता द्वापरादौ महर्षिभिः ॥ ४६॥
Text 46
Throughout the four yugas generation after generation, one after the other disciple fixed in his vows received them [these Vedas] by disciplic succession [paramparâ]. They were divided among the prominent sages at the end of Dvâpara-yuga.
The reason for division is incapability and short life-period of man near to Kaliyuga: (as I mentioned in this answer)
Text 47
The brahmin sages, inspired by the Infallible Lord situated in their hearts, came to that dividing among each other of the Vedas when they saw that under the influence of time the intelligence [of the people] diminished, the life span shortened and the strength weakened [see also 1.4: 16-18].
Observing that under the influence of kâla [the people became] lesser intelligent and short-lived and that their strength was diminished, divided the chief sages, inspired by the Infallible Lord situated in their hearts, the Vedas [see also 1.4: 16-18].
The one who has accomplished the task of division is none other than Vyasa:
Text 48-49
Oh brahmin, in this period [of Manu], Brahmâ and S'iva and other rulers over the worlds requested the Supreme Lord, the Protector of the Universe, to protect the principles of religion. Oh most fortunate soul, the Lord [in the form of Krishna Dvaipâyana Vyâsa], by Parâs'ara begotten in the womb of Satyavatî, then descended as a partial expansion of His plenary portion [Sankarshana] and divided the Veda in four.
How Vyasa divided Vedas (as I discussed in this answer) is explained in further verse:
Text 50
Like someone sorting out gems, he separated the group of mantras in four categories of collections [Samhitâs]: the Rig, Atharva, Yajur and Sâma Veda [see Vedas].
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It is not 3 Vedas - it is Vedavidyatrayi .. i.e the 3 kinds of Vedic Mantras (note Vidya in Tantra refers to Mantras for female deities, so Vidya basically means Mantra) - Rik,Yajus and Sama.
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The other answer does not mention AFAICS in which Yuga it was done. Your answer says that.
– Rickross
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@Rickross yes, there are four Vedas as said in 44th verse.
– Pandya♦
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I think this division happen in every Dwapara yuga....else how Lord Rama was trained in Yajurveda?
– YDS
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@YDS Yes, in every Dwapara Yuga. See the starting of verse 48: in this period of Manu
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It is not 3 Vedas - it is Vedavidyatrayi .. i.e the 3 kinds of Vedic Mantras (note Vidya in Tantra refers to Mantras for female deities, so Vidya basically means Mantra) - Rik,Yajus and Sama.
– Rickross
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The other answer does not mention AFAICS in which Yuga it was done. Your answer says that.
– Rickross
58 mins ago
@Rickross yes, there are four Vedas as said in 44th verse.
– Pandya♦
41 mins ago
I think this division happen in every Dwapara yuga....else how Lord Rama was trained in Yajurveda?
– YDS
24 mins ago
@YDS Yes, in every Dwapara Yuga. See the starting of verse 48: in this period of Manu
– Pandya♦
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It is not 3 Vedas - it is Vedavidyatrayi .. i.e the 3 kinds of Vedic Mantras (note Vidya in Tantra refers to Mantras for female deities, so Vidya basically means Mantra) - Rik,Yajus and Sama.
– Rickross
1 hour ago
It is not 3 Vedas - it is Vedavidyatrayi .. i.e the 3 kinds of Vedic Mantras (note Vidya in Tantra refers to Mantras for female deities, so Vidya basically means Mantra) - Rik,Yajus and Sama.
– Rickross
1 hour ago
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The other answer does not mention AFAICS in which Yuga it was done. Your answer says that.
– Rickross
58 mins ago
The other answer does not mention AFAICS in which Yuga it was done. Your answer says that.
– Rickross
58 mins ago
@Rickross yes, there are four Vedas as said in 44th verse.
– Pandya♦
41 mins ago
@Rickross yes, there are four Vedas as said in 44th verse.
– Pandya♦
41 mins ago
I think this division happen in every Dwapara yuga....else how Lord Rama was trained in Yajurveda?
– YDS
24 mins ago
I think this division happen in every Dwapara yuga....else how Lord Rama was trained in Yajurveda?
– YDS
24 mins ago
@YDS Yes, in every Dwapara Yuga. See the starting of verse 48: in this period of Manu
– Pandya♦
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@YDS Yes, in every Dwapara Yuga. See the starting of verse 48: in this period of Manu
– Pandya♦
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According to Devi Bhagavatam too Veda Vyasa divides the Veda into four parts in Dwapara Yuga of each Manvantara.
18-24. At every Manvantara, in each Dvâpara Yuga, Veda Vyâsa expounds
the Purânas duly to preserve the religion. Veda Vyâsa is no other
person than Visnu Himself; He, in the form of Veda Vyâsa, divides the
(one) Veda into four parts, in every Dvâpara Yuga, for the good of the
world. The Brahmânas of the Kali age are shortlived and their
intellect (Buddhi) is not sharp; they cannot realise the meaning after
studying the Vedas; knowing this in every Dvâpara Yuga Bhagavân
expounds the holy Purâna Samhitas.
From the Purana's Book 1, Chapter 3
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According to Devi Bhagavatam too Veda Vyasa divides the Veda into four parts in Dwapara Yuga of each Manvantara.
18-24. At every Manvantara, in each Dvâpara Yuga, Veda Vyâsa expounds
the Purânas duly to preserve the religion. Veda Vyâsa is no other
person than Visnu Himself; He, in the form of Veda Vyâsa, divides the
(one) Veda into four parts, in every Dvâpara Yuga, for the good of the
world. The Brahmânas of the Kali age are shortlived and their
intellect (Buddhi) is not sharp; they cannot realise the meaning after
studying the Vedas; knowing this in every Dvâpara Yuga Bhagavân
expounds the holy Purâna Samhitas.
From the Purana's Book 1, Chapter 3
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According to Devi Bhagavatam too Veda Vyasa divides the Veda into four parts in Dwapara Yuga of each Manvantara.
18-24. At every Manvantara, in each Dvâpara Yuga, Veda Vyâsa expounds
the Purânas duly to preserve the religion. Veda Vyâsa is no other
person than Visnu Himself; He, in the form of Veda Vyâsa, divides the
(one) Veda into four parts, in every Dvâpara Yuga, for the good of the
world. The Brahmânas of the Kali age are shortlived and their
intellect (Buddhi) is not sharp; they cannot realise the meaning after
studying the Vedas; knowing this in every Dvâpara Yuga Bhagavân
expounds the holy Purâna Samhitas.
From the Purana's Book 1, Chapter 3
According to Devi Bhagavatam too Veda Vyasa divides the Veda into four parts in Dwapara Yuga of each Manvantara.
18-24. At every Manvantara, in each Dvâpara Yuga, Veda Vyâsa expounds
the Purânas duly to preserve the religion. Veda Vyâsa is no other
person than Visnu Himself; He, in the form of Veda Vyâsa, divides the
(one) Veda into four parts, in every Dvâpara Yuga, for the good of the
world. The Brahmânas of the Kali age are shortlived and their
intellect (Buddhi) is not sharp; they cannot realise the meaning after
studying the Vedas; knowing this in every Dvâpara Yuga Bhagavân
expounds the holy Purâna Samhitas.
From the Purana's Book 1, Chapter 3
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'authentic reference' - What is authentic? You want historical research/references or Puranic? You can tag 'history' if you need an answer from modern historians.
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Authentic reference means scriptural reference here .. It might mean historian's opinions somewhere else but not here @sv.
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@Rakesh historians will say whn Vyasa had divided the Vedas or the Puranas will say that?
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