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Are there any substitutes, alternatives or bash tricks for delaying commands without using sleep? For example, performing the below command without actually using sleep:



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  • What do you want to wait for? If there’s an event you’re waiting for, you’d typically use a while loop, testing for the condition and sleeping for one second (or whatever makes sense). If you’re waiting for a child process to finish, then you can use the wait builtin. If it’s something else, do elaborate, please.
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  • What do you want to wait for? If there’s an event you’re waiting for, you’d typically use a while loop, testing for the condition and sleeping for one second (or whatever makes sense). If you’re waiting for a child process to finish, then you can use the wait builtin. If it’s something else, do elaborate, please.
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    What's wrong with sleep?
    – muru
    2 days ago






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    There's no real reason other than curiosity. I thought it would be interesting to learn some alternative solutions. I think at might be one, but I couldn't find any usage examples.
    – user321697
    2 days ago










  • What do you want to wait for? If there’s an event you’re waiting for, you’d typically use a while loop, testing for the condition and sleeping for one second (or whatever makes sense). If you’re waiting for a child process to finish, then you can use the wait builtin. If it’s something else, do elaborate, please.
    – Grega Bremec
    2 days ago






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    I came here expecting everyone to suggest a spinlock. I'm pleasantly surprised by all the answers.
    – Daan van Hoek
    2 days ago






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    Re: "Curiosity" -- in unix.stackexchange.com/help/dont-ask, note the requirement that "You should only ask practical, answerable questions based on actual problems that you face." -- that this has been well-received despite controvening that guideline makes it a rather rare exception.
    – Charles Duffy
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    What's wrong with sleep?
    – muru
    2 days ago






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    There's no real reason other than curiosity. I thought it would be interesting to learn some alternative solutions. I think at might be one, but I couldn't find any usage examples.
    – user321697
    2 days ago










  • What do you want to wait for? If there’s an event you’re waiting for, you’d typically use a while loop, testing for the condition and sleeping for one second (or whatever makes sense). If you’re waiting for a child process to finish, then you can use the wait builtin. If it’s something else, do elaborate, please.
    – Grega Bremec
    2 days ago






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    I came here expecting everyone to suggest a spinlock. I'm pleasantly surprised by all the answers.
    – Daan van Hoek
    2 days ago






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    Re: "Curiosity" -- in unix.stackexchange.com/help/dont-ask, note the requirement that "You should only ask practical, answerable questions based on actual problems that you face." -- that this has been well-received despite controvening that guideline makes it a rather rare exception.
    – Charles Duffy
    17 hours ago










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What's wrong with sleep?
– muru
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What's wrong with sleep?
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There's no real reason other than curiosity. I thought it would be interesting to learn some alternative solutions. I think at might be one, but I couldn't find any usage examples.
– user321697
2 days ago




There's no real reason other than curiosity. I thought it would be interesting to learn some alternative solutions. I think at might be one, but I couldn't find any usage examples.
– user321697
2 days ago












What do you want to wait for? If there’s an event you’re waiting for, you’d typically use a while loop, testing for the condition and sleeping for one second (or whatever makes sense). If you’re waiting for a child process to finish, then you can use the wait builtin. If it’s something else, do elaborate, please.
– Grega Bremec
2 days ago




What do you want to wait for? If there’s an event you’re waiting for, you’d typically use a while loop, testing for the condition and sleeping for one second (or whatever makes sense). If you’re waiting for a child process to finish, then you can use the wait builtin. If it’s something else, do elaborate, please.
– Grega Bremec
2 days ago




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I came here expecting everyone to suggest a spinlock. I'm pleasantly surprised by all the answers.
– Daan van Hoek
2 days ago




I came here expecting everyone to suggest a spinlock. I'm pleasantly surprised by all the answers.
– Daan van Hoek
2 days ago




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Re: "Curiosity" -- in unix.stackexchange.com/help/dont-ask, note the requirement that "You should only ask practical, answerable questions based on actual problems that you face." -- that this has been well-received despite controvening that guideline makes it a rather rare exception.
– Charles Duffy
17 hours ago






Re: "Curiosity" -- in unix.stackexchange.com/help/dont-ask, note the requirement that "You should only ask practical, answerable questions based on actual problems that you face." -- that this has been well-received despite controvening that guideline makes it a rather rare exception.
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You have alternatives to sleep: They are at and cron. Contrary to sleep these need you to provide the time at which you need them to run.




  • Make sure the atd service is running by executing service atd status.

    Now let's say the date is 11:17 am UTC; if you need to execute a command at 11:25 UTC, the syntax is: echo "This is a test" | at 11:25.

    Now keep in mind that atd by default will not be logging the completion of the jobs. For more refer this link. It's better that your application has its own logging.


  • You can schedule jobs in cron, for more refer : man cron to see its options or crontab -e to add new jobs. /var/log/cron can be checked for the info on execution on jobs.



FYI sleep system call suspends the current execution and schedules it w.r.t. the argument passed to it.



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As @Gaius mentioned , you can also add minutes time to at command.But lets say time is 12:30:30 and now you ran the scheduler with now +1 minutes. Even though 1 minute, which translates to 60 seconds was specified , the at doesn't really wait till 12:31:30 to execute the job, rather it executes the job at 12:31:00. The time-units can be minutes, hours, days, or weeks. For more refer man at



e.g: echo "ls" | at now +1 minutes






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    This is not true, you can schedule an at job for say now +1 minute, to run in a minutes time
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With bash builtins, you can do:



coproc read -t 10 && wait "$!" || true


To sleep for 10 seconds without using sleep. The coproc is to make so that read's stdin is a pipe where nothing will ever come out from. || true is because wait's exit status will reflect a SIGALRM delivery which would cause the shell to exit if the errexit option is set.



In other shells:



mksh and ksh93 have sleep built-in, no point in using anything else there (though they both also support read -t).



zsh also supports read -t, but also has a builtin wrapper around select(), so you can also use:



zmodload zsh/zselect
zselect -t 1000 # centiseconds


If what you want is schedule things to be run from an interactive shell session, see also the zsh/sched module in zsh.






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  • Would you consider read -t 10 < /dev/zero || true ?
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    @JeffSchaller I would avoid it as that's a busy loop.
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  • @StéphaneChazelas I wouldn't expect that to be a busy loop – I'd expect any shell's read to be implemented using select(2) or something similar (implying that read-with-timeout would be a good answer to this question). I'm expressing surprise rather than contradicting you, but can you point to further discussion of this?
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    2 days ago






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    @NormanGray, /dev/zero is a file that contains an infinite amount of data (NUL bytes). So read will read as much as it can during those 10 seconds. Thankfully, in the case of bash which doesn't support storing NUL bytes in its variables, that won't use up any memory, but that will still hog CPU resources.
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    @NormanGray, if run from a terminal, /dev/stdout would be the tty device, so it would have side effects (like stopping the script if run in background) and would return if the user presses enter for instance. read -t 10 /dev/stdout | : would work on Linux, but on Linux only, while coproc should work regardless of the OS.
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Since there are answers which are suggesting to use the non-standard -t delay option of read, here is a way to do a timed-out read in a standard shell:



{ ss=`stty -g`; stty -icanon min 0 time 20; read foo; stty "$ss"; }


The argument to stty time is in tenths of second.






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    Using the bash built-in variable $SECONDS and a busy-loop:



    for((target=$((SECONDS + 10)); SECONDS < target; true)); do :; done





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      That would in effect pause for a duration ranging somewhere in between 9 and 10 seconds though (due to a bug in bash; zsh and mksh had similar issues but have been fixed since)
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      A good way to make heat.
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      won't be the first time I'm accused of being full of hot air! :)
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    There is no built-in, that does the same as sleep (unless sleep is built-in). However there are some other commands that will wait.



    A few include.




    • at and cron: used to schedule tasks at a specific time.


    • inotifywait: used to wait for a file, or files to be modified/removed/added/etc







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    • Thanks for this. Could you provide an example for performing a scheduled task (10 seconds from now) with at?
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      an edit and an upvote! ;-)
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    • cron store tasks in crontab, right? Where does at store the scheduled data?
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    • @user321697 Already answered here
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    • Sorry for reverting back your edit to the Q: you changed the OPs question's main purpose which would invalidate the simplest answer of all... ¯_(ツ)_/¯
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    Some other ideas.



    top -d10 -n2 >/dev/null

    vmstat 10 2 >/dev/null

    sar 10 1 >/dev/null

    timeout 10s tail -f /dev/null





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      You "stole" my idea of timelimit/timeout.... +1
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    the oldest trick in the book:



    read && echo "This is a test"


    Just hit Enter and it'll continue!






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    • This wont if the process needs to be run interaction free or in the background right?
      – sai sasanka
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    • Correct: But that was not one of the OP's requirements as per the original question, so still a valid answer... ;-) >:-)
      – Fabby
      yesterday






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      OP specifically gives an example (with sleep) and asks for an equivalent alternative without. So read doesn't parse, sorry. ;)
      – AnoE
      yesterday










    • @AnoE Stéphane's answer is of course the best, mine is just the oldest --- press «enter» to continue --- ;-)
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    Back in the days of microcomputers running BASIC, delays were usually accomplished with an empty loop:



    FOR I = 1 TO 10000:NEXT



    The same principle could be used to insert a delay in a shell script:



    COUNTER=0; while [ $COUNTER -lt 10000 ]; do :; let COUNTER=COUNTER+1; done



    Of course, the problem with this approach is that the length of the delay will vary from machine to machine according to its processor speed (or even on the same machine under different loads). Unlike sleep, it will probably also max out your CPU (or one of its cores).






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      A good way to make heat.
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      Delay-loops are a terrible idea for anything except the very shortest of sleeps (a couple nanoseconds or clock cycles in a device driver) on any modern CPU that can run a Unix-like OS. i.e. a sleep so short you can't usefully have the CPU do anything else while waiting, like schedule another process or enter a low-power sleep state before waking on a timer interrupt. Dynamic CPU-frequency makes it impossible to even calibrate a delay loop for counts per second, except as a minimum delay potentially sleeping a lot longer at low clock speeds before ramping up.
      – Peter Cordes
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    • Ancient computers had a power consumption that was much less dependent on workload. Modern CPUs need to dynamically power down different parts of the chip as much as possible to not melt (e.g. power down parts of the FPU or SIMD execution units while only integer code is running, or at least gate the clock signal to parts of the chip that don't need to be switching). And entering a low-power sleep state when idle (instead of spinning in an infinite loop waiting for timer interrupts) is also more recent than the ancient computers you mention.
      – Peter Cordes
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    • For more about CPU history, see Modern Microprocessors A 90-Minute Guide! - lighterra.com/papers/modernmicroprocessors.
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    A classic from the Land of Windows and Batches:



    ping -c 11 localhost >/dev/null && echo "This is a test"





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    • Firewall or name system misconfiguration might introduce a significant additional delay tough.
      – spectras
      yesterday






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      127.0.0.1 ... @spectras
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      yesterday






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      Thankfully no longer needed, as Windows now supports sleep natively.
      – Baldrickk
      yesterday






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      @AnoE> solves the name system part, not the firewall part. Though not common, it can be configured to silently drop pings on local interface. That will cause ping to wait much longer.
      – spectras
      17 hours ago










    • +1 for the "fond" memories
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    If you want to interactively wait for a new line in a file, then


    tail -f
    .

    Waiting for a change on a filesystem? Then use e.g.


    inotify / inoticoming
    .

    And there are other options, depending on what you mean with "wait".






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      You have alternatives to sleep: They are at and cron. Contrary to sleep these need you to provide the time at which you need them to run.




      • Make sure the atd service is running by executing service atd status.

        Now let's say the date is 11:17 am UTC; if you need to execute a command at 11:25 UTC, the syntax is: echo "This is a test" | at 11:25.

        Now keep in mind that atd by default will not be logging the completion of the jobs. For more refer this link. It's better that your application has its own logging.


      • You can schedule jobs in cron, for more refer : man cron to see its options or crontab -e to add new jobs. /var/log/cron can be checked for the info on execution on jobs.



      FYI sleep system call suspends the current execution and schedules it w.r.t. the argument passed to it.



      EDIT:



      As @Gaius mentioned , you can also add minutes time to at command.But lets say time is 12:30:30 and now you ran the scheduler with now +1 minutes. Even though 1 minute, which translates to 60 seconds was specified , the at doesn't really wait till 12:31:30 to execute the job, rather it executes the job at 12:31:00. The time-units can be minutes, hours, days, or weeks. For more refer man at



      e.g: echo "ls" | at now +1 minutes






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        This is not true, you can schedule an at job for say now +1 minute, to run in a minutes time
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      You have alternatives to sleep: They are at and cron. Contrary to sleep these need you to provide the time at which you need them to run.




      • Make sure the atd service is running by executing service atd status.

        Now let's say the date is 11:17 am UTC; if you need to execute a command at 11:25 UTC, the syntax is: echo "This is a test" | at 11:25.

        Now keep in mind that atd by default will not be logging the completion of the jobs. For more refer this link. It's better that your application has its own logging.


      • You can schedule jobs in cron, for more refer : man cron to see its options or crontab -e to add new jobs. /var/log/cron can be checked for the info on execution on jobs.



      FYI sleep system call suspends the current execution and schedules it w.r.t. the argument passed to it.



      EDIT:



      As @Gaius mentioned , you can also add minutes time to at command.But lets say time is 12:30:30 and now you ran the scheduler with now +1 minutes. Even though 1 minute, which translates to 60 seconds was specified , the at doesn't really wait till 12:31:30 to execute the job, rather it executes the job at 12:31:00. The time-units can be minutes, hours, days, or weeks. For more refer man at



      e.g: echo "ls" | at now +1 minutes






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        This is not true, you can schedule an at job for say now +1 minute, to run in a minutes time
        – Gaius
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      You have alternatives to sleep: They are at and cron. Contrary to sleep these need you to provide the time at which you need them to run.




      • Make sure the atd service is running by executing service atd status.

        Now let's say the date is 11:17 am UTC; if you need to execute a command at 11:25 UTC, the syntax is: echo "This is a test" | at 11:25.

        Now keep in mind that atd by default will not be logging the completion of the jobs. For more refer this link. It's better that your application has its own logging.


      • You can schedule jobs in cron, for more refer : man cron to see its options or crontab -e to add new jobs. /var/log/cron can be checked for the info on execution on jobs.



      FYI sleep system call suspends the current execution and schedules it w.r.t. the argument passed to it.



      EDIT:



      As @Gaius mentioned , you can also add minutes time to at command.But lets say time is 12:30:30 and now you ran the scheduler with now +1 minutes. Even though 1 minute, which translates to 60 seconds was specified , the at doesn't really wait till 12:31:30 to execute the job, rather it executes the job at 12:31:00. The time-units can be minutes, hours, days, or weeks. For more refer man at



      e.g: echo "ls" | at now +1 minutes






      share|improve this answer














      You have alternatives to sleep: They are at and cron. Contrary to sleep these need you to provide the time at which you need them to run.




      • Make sure the atd service is running by executing service atd status.

        Now let's say the date is 11:17 am UTC; if you need to execute a command at 11:25 UTC, the syntax is: echo "This is a test" | at 11:25.

        Now keep in mind that atd by default will not be logging the completion of the jobs. For more refer this link. It's better that your application has its own logging.


      • You can schedule jobs in cron, for more refer : man cron to see its options or crontab -e to add new jobs. /var/log/cron can be checked for the info on execution on jobs.



      FYI sleep system call suspends the current execution and schedules it w.r.t. the argument passed to it.



      EDIT:



      As @Gaius mentioned , you can also add minutes time to at command.But lets say time is 12:30:30 and now you ran the scheduler with now +1 minutes. Even though 1 minute, which translates to 60 seconds was specified , the at doesn't really wait till 12:31:30 to execute the job, rather it executes the job at 12:31:00. The time-units can be minutes, hours, days, or weeks. For more refer man at



      e.g: echo "ls" | at now +1 minutes







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        This is not true, you can schedule an at job for say now +1 minute, to run in a minutes time
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        This is not true, you can schedule an at job for say now +1 minute, to run in a minutes time
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      This is not true, you can schedule an at job for say now +1 minute, to run in a minutes time
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      This is not true, you can schedule an at job for say now +1 minute, to run in a minutes time
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      With bash builtins, you can do:



      coproc read -t 10 && wait "$!" || true


      To sleep for 10 seconds without using sleep. The coproc is to make so that read's stdin is a pipe where nothing will ever come out from. || true is because wait's exit status will reflect a SIGALRM delivery which would cause the shell to exit if the errexit option is set.



      In other shells:



      mksh and ksh93 have sleep built-in, no point in using anything else there (though they both also support read -t).



      zsh also supports read -t, but also has a builtin wrapper around select(), so you can also use:



      zmodload zsh/zselect
      zselect -t 1000 # centiseconds


      If what you want is schedule things to be run from an interactive shell session, see also the zsh/sched module in zsh.






      share|improve this answer























      • Would you consider read -t 10 < /dev/zero || true ?
        – Jeff Schaller
        2 days ago








      • 5




        @JeffSchaller I would avoid it as that's a busy loop.
        – Stéphane Chazelas
        2 days ago










      • @StéphaneChazelas I wouldn't expect that to be a busy loop – I'd expect any shell's read to be implemented using select(2) or something similar (implying that read-with-timeout would be a good answer to this question). I'm expressing surprise rather than contradicting you, but can you point to further discussion of this?
        – Norman Gray
        2 days ago






      • 5




        @NormanGray, /dev/zero is a file that contains an infinite amount of data (NUL bytes). So read will read as much as it can during those 10 seconds. Thankfully, in the case of bash which doesn't support storing NUL bytes in its variables, that won't use up any memory, but that will still hog CPU resources.
        – Stéphane Chazelas
        2 days ago






      • 1




        @NormanGray, if run from a terminal, /dev/stdout would be the tty device, so it would have side effects (like stopping the script if run in background) and would return if the user presses enter for instance. read -t 10 /dev/stdout | : would work on Linux, but on Linux only, while coproc should work regardless of the OS.
        – Stéphane Chazelas
        2 days ago

















      up vote
      24
      down vote













      With bash builtins, you can do:



      coproc read -t 10 && wait "$!" || true


      To sleep for 10 seconds without using sleep. The coproc is to make so that read's stdin is a pipe where nothing will ever come out from. || true is because wait's exit status will reflect a SIGALRM delivery which would cause the shell to exit if the errexit option is set.



      In other shells:



      mksh and ksh93 have sleep built-in, no point in using anything else there (though they both also support read -t).



      zsh also supports read -t, but also has a builtin wrapper around select(), so you can also use:



      zmodload zsh/zselect
      zselect -t 1000 # centiseconds


      If what you want is schedule things to be run from an interactive shell session, see also the zsh/sched module in zsh.






      share|improve this answer























      • Would you consider read -t 10 < /dev/zero || true ?
        – Jeff Schaller
        2 days ago








      • 5




        @JeffSchaller I would avoid it as that's a busy loop.
        – Stéphane Chazelas
        2 days ago










      • @StéphaneChazelas I wouldn't expect that to be a busy loop – I'd expect any shell's read to be implemented using select(2) or something similar (implying that read-with-timeout would be a good answer to this question). I'm expressing surprise rather than contradicting you, but can you point to further discussion of this?
        – Norman Gray
        2 days ago






      • 5




        @NormanGray, /dev/zero is a file that contains an infinite amount of data (NUL bytes). So read will read as much as it can during those 10 seconds. Thankfully, in the case of bash which doesn't support storing NUL bytes in its variables, that won't use up any memory, but that will still hog CPU resources.
        – Stéphane Chazelas
        2 days ago






      • 1




        @NormanGray, if run from a terminal, /dev/stdout would be the tty device, so it would have side effects (like stopping the script if run in background) and would return if the user presses enter for instance. read -t 10 /dev/stdout | : would work on Linux, but on Linux only, while coproc should work regardless of the OS.
        – Stéphane Chazelas
        2 days ago















      up vote
      24
      down vote










      up vote
      24
      down vote









      With bash builtins, you can do:



      coproc read -t 10 && wait "$!" || true


      To sleep for 10 seconds without using sleep. The coproc is to make so that read's stdin is a pipe where nothing will ever come out from. || true is because wait's exit status will reflect a SIGALRM delivery which would cause the shell to exit if the errexit option is set.



      In other shells:



      mksh and ksh93 have sleep built-in, no point in using anything else there (though they both also support read -t).



      zsh also supports read -t, but also has a builtin wrapper around select(), so you can also use:



      zmodload zsh/zselect
      zselect -t 1000 # centiseconds


      If what you want is schedule things to be run from an interactive shell session, see also the zsh/sched module in zsh.






      share|improve this answer














      With bash builtins, you can do:



      coproc read -t 10 && wait "$!" || true


      To sleep for 10 seconds without using sleep. The coproc is to make so that read's stdin is a pipe where nothing will ever come out from. || true is because wait's exit status will reflect a SIGALRM delivery which would cause the shell to exit if the errexit option is set.



      In other shells:



      mksh and ksh93 have sleep built-in, no point in using anything else there (though they both also support read -t).



      zsh also supports read -t, but also has a builtin wrapper around select(), so you can also use:



      zmodload zsh/zselect
      zselect -t 1000 # centiseconds


      If what you want is schedule things to be run from an interactive shell session, see also the zsh/sched module in zsh.







      share|improve this answer














      share|improve this answer



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      edited 2 days ago

























      answered 2 days ago









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      • Would you consider read -t 10 < /dev/zero || true ?
        – Jeff Schaller
        2 days ago








      • 5




        @JeffSchaller I would avoid it as that's a busy loop.
        – Stéphane Chazelas
        2 days ago










      • @StéphaneChazelas I wouldn't expect that to be a busy loop – I'd expect any shell's read to be implemented using select(2) or something similar (implying that read-with-timeout would be a good answer to this question). I'm expressing surprise rather than contradicting you, but can you point to further discussion of this?
        – Norman Gray
        2 days ago






      • 5




        @NormanGray, /dev/zero is a file that contains an infinite amount of data (NUL bytes). So read will read as much as it can during those 10 seconds. Thankfully, in the case of bash which doesn't support storing NUL bytes in its variables, that won't use up any memory, but that will still hog CPU resources.
        – Stéphane Chazelas
        2 days ago






      • 1




        @NormanGray, if run from a terminal, /dev/stdout would be the tty device, so it would have side effects (like stopping the script if run in background) and would return if the user presses enter for instance. read -t 10 /dev/stdout | : would work on Linux, but on Linux only, while coproc should work regardless of the OS.
        – Stéphane Chazelas
        2 days ago




















      • Would you consider read -t 10 < /dev/zero || true ?
        – Jeff Schaller
        2 days ago








      • 5




        @JeffSchaller I would avoid it as that's a busy loop.
        – Stéphane Chazelas
        2 days ago










      • @StéphaneChazelas I wouldn't expect that to be a busy loop – I'd expect any shell's read to be implemented using select(2) or something similar (implying that read-with-timeout would be a good answer to this question). I'm expressing surprise rather than contradicting you, but can you point to further discussion of this?
        – Norman Gray
        2 days ago






      • 5




        @NormanGray, /dev/zero is a file that contains an infinite amount of data (NUL bytes). So read will read as much as it can during those 10 seconds. Thankfully, in the case of bash which doesn't support storing NUL bytes in its variables, that won't use up any memory, but that will still hog CPU resources.
        – Stéphane Chazelas
        2 days ago






      • 1




        @NormanGray, if run from a terminal, /dev/stdout would be the tty device, so it would have side effects (like stopping the script if run in background) and would return if the user presses enter for instance. read -t 10 /dev/stdout | : would work on Linux, but on Linux only, while coproc should work regardless of the OS.
        – Stéphane Chazelas
        2 days ago


















      Would you consider read -t 10 < /dev/zero || true ?
      – Jeff Schaller
      2 days ago






      Would you consider read -t 10 < /dev/zero || true ?
      – Jeff Schaller
      2 days ago






      5




      5




      @JeffSchaller I would avoid it as that's a busy loop.
      – Stéphane Chazelas
      2 days ago




      @JeffSchaller I would avoid it as that's a busy loop.
      – Stéphane Chazelas
      2 days ago












      @StéphaneChazelas I wouldn't expect that to be a busy loop – I'd expect any shell's read to be implemented using select(2) or something similar (implying that read-with-timeout would be a good answer to this question). I'm expressing surprise rather than contradicting you, but can you point to further discussion of this?
      – Norman Gray
      2 days ago




      @StéphaneChazelas I wouldn't expect that to be a busy loop – I'd expect any shell's read to be implemented using select(2) or something similar (implying that read-with-timeout would be a good answer to this question). I'm expressing surprise rather than contradicting you, but can you point to further discussion of this?
      – Norman Gray
      2 days ago




      5




      5




      @NormanGray, /dev/zero is a file that contains an infinite amount of data (NUL bytes). So read will read as much as it can during those 10 seconds. Thankfully, in the case of bash which doesn't support storing NUL bytes in its variables, that won't use up any memory, but that will still hog CPU resources.
      – Stéphane Chazelas
      2 days ago




      @NormanGray, /dev/zero is a file that contains an infinite amount of data (NUL bytes). So read will read as much as it can during those 10 seconds. Thankfully, in the case of bash which doesn't support storing NUL bytes in its variables, that won't use up any memory, but that will still hog CPU resources.
      – Stéphane Chazelas
      2 days ago




      1




      1




      @NormanGray, if run from a terminal, /dev/stdout would be the tty device, so it would have side effects (like stopping the script if run in background) and would return if the user presses enter for instance. read -t 10 /dev/stdout | : would work on Linux, but on Linux only, while coproc should work regardless of the OS.
      – Stéphane Chazelas
      2 days ago






      @NormanGray, if run from a terminal, /dev/stdout would be the tty device, so it would have side effects (like stopping the script if run in background) and would return if the user presses enter for instance. read -t 10 /dev/stdout | : would work on Linux, but on Linux only, while coproc should work regardless of the OS.
      – Stéphane Chazelas
      2 days ago












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      Since there are answers which are suggesting to use the non-standard -t delay option of read, here is a way to do a timed-out read in a standard shell:



      { ss=`stty -g`; stty -icanon min 0 time 20; read foo; stty "$ss"; }


      The argument to stty time is in tenths of second.






      share|improve this answer

























        up vote
        6
        down vote













        Since there are answers which are suggesting to use the non-standard -t delay option of read, here is a way to do a timed-out read in a standard shell:



        { ss=`stty -g`; stty -icanon min 0 time 20; read foo; stty "$ss"; }


        The argument to stty time is in tenths of second.






        share|improve this answer























          up vote
          6
          down vote










          up vote
          6
          down vote









          Since there are answers which are suggesting to use the non-standard -t delay option of read, here is a way to do a timed-out read in a standard shell:



          { ss=`stty -g`; stty -icanon min 0 time 20; read foo; stty "$ss"; }


          The argument to stty time is in tenths of second.






          share|improve this answer












          Since there are answers which are suggesting to use the non-standard -t delay option of read, here is a way to do a timed-out read in a standard shell:



          { ss=`stty -g`; stty -icanon min 0 time 20; read foo; stty "$ss"; }


          The argument to stty time is in tenths of second.







          share|improve this answer












          share|improve this answer



          share|improve this answer










          answered 2 days ago









          mosvy

          4,333321




          4,333321






















              up vote
              5
              down vote













              Using the bash built-in variable $SECONDS and a busy-loop:



              for((target=$((SECONDS + 10)); SECONDS < target; true)); do :; done





              share|improve this answer

















              • 2




                That would in effect pause for a duration ranging somewhere in between 9 and 10 seconds though (due to a bug in bash; zsh and mksh had similar issues but have been fixed since)
                – Stéphane Chazelas
                2 days ago








              • 6




                A good way to make heat.
                – ctrl-alt-delor
                2 days ago






              • 6




                won't be the first time I'm accused of being full of hot air! :)
                – Jeff Schaller
                2 days ago















              up vote
              5
              down vote













              Using the bash built-in variable $SECONDS and a busy-loop:



              for((target=$((SECONDS + 10)); SECONDS < target; true)); do :; done





              share|improve this answer

















              • 2




                That would in effect pause for a duration ranging somewhere in between 9 and 10 seconds though (due to a bug in bash; zsh and mksh had similar issues but have been fixed since)
                – Stéphane Chazelas
                2 days ago








              • 6




                A good way to make heat.
                – ctrl-alt-delor
                2 days ago






              • 6




                won't be the first time I'm accused of being full of hot air! :)
                – Jeff Schaller
                2 days ago













              up vote
              5
              down vote










              up vote
              5
              down vote









              Using the bash built-in variable $SECONDS and a busy-loop:



              for((target=$((SECONDS + 10)); SECONDS < target; true)); do :; done





              share|improve this answer












              Using the bash built-in variable $SECONDS and a busy-loop:



              for((target=$((SECONDS + 10)); SECONDS < target; true)); do :; done






              share|improve this answer












              share|improve this answer



              share|improve this answer










              answered 2 days ago









              Jeff Schaller

              36.2k952119




              36.2k952119








              • 2




                That would in effect pause for a duration ranging somewhere in between 9 and 10 seconds though (due to a bug in bash; zsh and mksh had similar issues but have been fixed since)
                – Stéphane Chazelas
                2 days ago








              • 6




                A good way to make heat.
                – ctrl-alt-delor
                2 days ago






              • 6




                won't be the first time I'm accused of being full of hot air! :)
                – Jeff Schaller
                2 days ago














              • 2




                That would in effect pause for a duration ranging somewhere in between 9 and 10 seconds though (due to a bug in bash; zsh and mksh had similar issues but have been fixed since)
                – Stéphane Chazelas
                2 days ago








              • 6




                A good way to make heat.
                – ctrl-alt-delor
                2 days ago






              • 6




                won't be the first time I'm accused of being full of hot air! :)
                – Jeff Schaller
                2 days ago








              2




              2




              That would in effect pause for a duration ranging somewhere in between 9 and 10 seconds though (due to a bug in bash; zsh and mksh had similar issues but have been fixed since)
              – Stéphane Chazelas
              2 days ago






              That would in effect pause for a duration ranging somewhere in between 9 and 10 seconds though (due to a bug in bash; zsh and mksh had similar issues but have been fixed since)
              – Stéphane Chazelas
              2 days ago






              6




              6




              A good way to make heat.
              – ctrl-alt-delor
              2 days ago




              A good way to make heat.
              – ctrl-alt-delor
              2 days ago




              6




              6




              won't be the first time I'm accused of being full of hot air! :)
              – Jeff Schaller
              2 days ago




              won't be the first time I'm accused of being full of hot air! :)
              – Jeff Schaller
              2 days ago










              up vote
              3
              down vote













              There is no built-in, that does the same as sleep (unless sleep is built-in). However there are some other commands that will wait.



              A few include.




              • at and cron: used to schedule tasks at a specific time.


              • inotifywait: used to wait for a file, or files to be modified/removed/added/etc







              share|improve this answer























              • Thanks for this. Could you provide an example for performing a scheduled task (10 seconds from now) with at?
                – user321697
                2 days ago






              • 1




                an edit and an upvote! ;-)
                – Fabby
                2 days ago










              • cron store tasks in crontab, right? Where does at store the scheduled data?
                – user321697
                2 days ago










              • @user321697 Already answered here
                – Fabby
                2 days ago










              • Sorry for reverting back your edit to the Q: you changed the OPs question's main purpose which would invalidate the simplest answer of all... ¯_(ツ)_/¯
                – Fabby
                2 days ago

















              up vote
              3
              down vote













              There is no built-in, that does the same as sleep (unless sleep is built-in). However there are some other commands that will wait.



              A few include.




              • at and cron: used to schedule tasks at a specific time.


              • inotifywait: used to wait for a file, or files to be modified/removed/added/etc







              share|improve this answer























              • Thanks for this. Could you provide an example for performing a scheduled task (10 seconds from now) with at?
                – user321697
                2 days ago






              • 1




                an edit and an upvote! ;-)
                – Fabby
                2 days ago










              • cron store tasks in crontab, right? Where does at store the scheduled data?
                – user321697
                2 days ago










              • @user321697 Already answered here
                – Fabby
                2 days ago










              • Sorry for reverting back your edit to the Q: you changed the OPs question's main purpose which would invalidate the simplest answer of all... ¯_(ツ)_/¯
                – Fabby
                2 days ago















              up vote
              3
              down vote










              up vote
              3
              down vote









              There is no built-in, that does the same as sleep (unless sleep is built-in). However there are some other commands that will wait.



              A few include.




              • at and cron: used to schedule tasks at a specific time.


              • inotifywait: used to wait for a file, or files to be modified/removed/added/etc







              share|improve this answer














              There is no built-in, that does the same as sleep (unless sleep is built-in). However there are some other commands that will wait.



              A few include.




              • at and cron: used to schedule tasks at a specific time.


              • inotifywait: used to wait for a file, or files to be modified/removed/added/etc








              share|improve this answer














              share|improve this answer



              share|improve this answer








              edited 2 days ago









              Fabby

              2,98911125




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              answered 2 days ago









              ctrl-alt-delor

              10k41955




              10k41955












              • Thanks for this. Could you provide an example for performing a scheduled task (10 seconds from now) with at?
                – user321697
                2 days ago






              • 1




                an edit and an upvote! ;-)
                – Fabby
                2 days ago










              • cron store tasks in crontab, right? Where does at store the scheduled data?
                – user321697
                2 days ago










              • @user321697 Already answered here
                – Fabby
                2 days ago










              • Sorry for reverting back your edit to the Q: you changed the OPs question's main purpose which would invalidate the simplest answer of all... ¯_(ツ)_/¯
                – Fabby
                2 days ago




















              • Thanks for this. Could you provide an example for performing a scheduled task (10 seconds from now) with at?
                – user321697
                2 days ago






              • 1




                an edit and an upvote! ;-)
                – Fabby
                2 days ago










              • cron store tasks in crontab, right? Where does at store the scheduled data?
                – user321697
                2 days ago










              • @user321697 Already answered here
                – Fabby
                2 days ago










              • Sorry for reverting back your edit to the Q: you changed the OPs question's main purpose which would invalidate the simplest answer of all... ¯_(ツ)_/¯
                – Fabby
                2 days ago


















              Thanks for this. Could you provide an example for performing a scheduled task (10 seconds from now) with at?
              – user321697
              2 days ago




              Thanks for this. Could you provide an example for performing a scheduled task (10 seconds from now) with at?
              – user321697
              2 days ago




              1




              1




              an edit and an upvote! ;-)
              – Fabby
              2 days ago




              an edit and an upvote! ;-)
              – Fabby
              2 days ago












              cron store tasks in crontab, right? Where does at store the scheduled data?
              – user321697
              2 days ago




              cron store tasks in crontab, right? Where does at store the scheduled data?
              – user321697
              2 days ago












              @user321697 Already answered here
              – Fabby
              2 days ago




              @user321697 Already answered here
              – Fabby
              2 days ago












              Sorry for reverting back your edit to the Q: you changed the OPs question's main purpose which would invalidate the simplest answer of all... ¯_(ツ)_/¯
              – Fabby
              2 days ago






              Sorry for reverting back your edit to the Q: you changed the OPs question's main purpose which would invalidate the simplest answer of all... ¯_(ツ)_/¯
              – Fabby
              2 days ago












              up vote
              3
              down vote













              Some other ideas.



              top -d10 -n2 >/dev/null

              vmstat 10 2 >/dev/null

              sar 10 1 >/dev/null

              timeout 10s tail -f /dev/null





              share|improve this answer

















              • 1




                You "stole" my idea of timelimit/timeout.... +1
                – Rui F Ribeiro
                yesterday

















              up vote
              3
              down vote













              Some other ideas.



              top -d10 -n2 >/dev/null

              vmstat 10 2 >/dev/null

              sar 10 1 >/dev/null

              timeout 10s tail -f /dev/null





              share|improve this answer

















              • 1




                You "stole" my idea of timelimit/timeout.... +1
                – Rui F Ribeiro
                yesterday















              up vote
              3
              down vote










              up vote
              3
              down vote









              Some other ideas.



              top -d10 -n2 >/dev/null

              vmstat 10 2 >/dev/null

              sar 10 1 >/dev/null

              timeout 10s tail -f /dev/null





              share|improve this answer












              Some other ideas.



              top -d10 -n2 >/dev/null

              vmstat 10 2 >/dev/null

              sar 10 1 >/dev/null

              timeout 10s tail -f /dev/null






              share|improve this answer












              share|improve this answer



              share|improve this answer










              answered yesterday









              steve

              13.7k22452




              13.7k22452








              • 1




                You "stole" my idea of timelimit/timeout.... +1
                – Rui F Ribeiro
                yesterday
















              • 1




                You "stole" my idea of timelimit/timeout.... +1
                – Rui F Ribeiro
                yesterday










              1




              1




              You "stole" my idea of timelimit/timeout.... +1
              – Rui F Ribeiro
              yesterday






              You "stole" my idea of timelimit/timeout.... +1
              – Rui F Ribeiro
              yesterday












              up vote
              2
              down vote













              the oldest trick in the book:



              read && echo "This is a test"


              Just hit Enter and it'll continue!






              share|improve this answer





















              • This wont if the process needs to be run interaction free or in the background right?
                – sai sasanka
                2 days ago










              • Correct: But that was not one of the OP's requirements as per the original question, so still a valid answer... ;-) >:-)
                – Fabby
                yesterday






              • 1




                OP specifically gives an example (with sleep) and asks for an equivalent alternative without. So read doesn't parse, sorry. ;)
                – AnoE
                yesterday










              • @AnoE Stéphane's answer is of course the best, mine is just the oldest --- press «enter» to continue --- ;-)
                – Fabby
                yesterday















              up vote
              2
              down vote













              the oldest trick in the book:



              read && echo "This is a test"


              Just hit Enter and it'll continue!






              share|improve this answer





















              • This wont if the process needs to be run interaction free or in the background right?
                – sai sasanka
                2 days ago










              • Correct: But that was not one of the OP's requirements as per the original question, so still a valid answer... ;-) >:-)
                – Fabby
                yesterday






              • 1




                OP specifically gives an example (with sleep) and asks for an equivalent alternative without. So read doesn't parse, sorry. ;)
                – AnoE
                yesterday










              • @AnoE Stéphane's answer is of course the best, mine is just the oldest --- press «enter» to continue --- ;-)
                – Fabby
                yesterday













              up vote
              2
              down vote










              up vote
              2
              down vote









              the oldest trick in the book:



              read && echo "This is a test"


              Just hit Enter and it'll continue!






              share|improve this answer












              the oldest trick in the book:



              read && echo "This is a test"


              Just hit Enter and it'll continue!







              share|improve this answer












              share|improve this answer



              share|improve this answer










              answered 2 days ago









              Fabby

              2,98911125




              2,98911125












              • This wont if the process needs to be run interaction free or in the background right?
                – sai sasanka
                2 days ago










              • Correct: But that was not one of the OP's requirements as per the original question, so still a valid answer... ;-) >:-)
                – Fabby
                yesterday






              • 1




                OP specifically gives an example (with sleep) and asks for an equivalent alternative without. So read doesn't parse, sorry. ;)
                – AnoE
                yesterday










              • @AnoE Stéphane's answer is of course the best, mine is just the oldest --- press «enter» to continue --- ;-)
                – Fabby
                yesterday


















              • This wont if the process needs to be run interaction free or in the background right?
                – sai sasanka
                2 days ago










              • Correct: But that was not one of the OP's requirements as per the original question, so still a valid answer... ;-) >:-)
                – Fabby
                yesterday






              • 1




                OP specifically gives an example (with sleep) and asks for an equivalent alternative without. So read doesn't parse, sorry. ;)
                – AnoE
                yesterday










              • @AnoE Stéphane's answer is of course the best, mine is just the oldest --- press «enter» to continue --- ;-)
                – Fabby
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              This wont if the process needs to be run interaction free or in the background right?
              – sai sasanka
              2 days ago




              This wont if the process needs to be run interaction free or in the background right?
              – sai sasanka
              2 days ago












              Correct: But that was not one of the OP's requirements as per the original question, so still a valid answer... ;-) >:-)
              – Fabby
              yesterday




              Correct: But that was not one of the OP's requirements as per the original question, so still a valid answer... ;-) >:-)
              – Fabby
              yesterday




              1




              1




              OP specifically gives an example (with sleep) and asks for an equivalent alternative without. So read doesn't parse, sorry. ;)
              – AnoE
              yesterday




              OP specifically gives an example (with sleep) and asks for an equivalent alternative without. So read doesn't parse, sorry. ;)
              – AnoE
              yesterday












              @AnoE Stéphane's answer is of course the best, mine is just the oldest --- press «enter» to continue --- ;-)
              – Fabby
              yesterday




              @AnoE Stéphane's answer is of course the best, mine is just the oldest --- press «enter» to continue --- ;-)
              – Fabby
              yesterday










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              Back in the days of microcomputers running BASIC, delays were usually accomplished with an empty loop:



              FOR I = 1 TO 10000:NEXT



              The same principle could be used to insert a delay in a shell script:



              COUNTER=0; while [ $COUNTER -lt 10000 ]; do :; let COUNTER=COUNTER+1; done



              Of course, the problem with this approach is that the length of the delay will vary from machine to machine according to its processor speed (or even on the same machine under different loads). Unlike sleep, it will probably also max out your CPU (or one of its cores).






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                A good way to make heat.
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                2 days ago






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                Delay-loops are a terrible idea for anything except the very shortest of sleeps (a couple nanoseconds or clock cycles in a device driver) on any modern CPU that can run a Unix-like OS. i.e. a sleep so short you can't usefully have the CPU do anything else while waiting, like schedule another process or enter a low-power sleep state before waking on a timer interrupt. Dynamic CPU-frequency makes it impossible to even calibrate a delay loop for counts per second, except as a minimum delay potentially sleeping a lot longer at low clock speeds before ramping up.
                – Peter Cordes
                yesterday










              • Ancient computers had a power consumption that was much less dependent on workload. Modern CPUs need to dynamically power down different parts of the chip as much as possible to not melt (e.g. power down parts of the FPU or SIMD execution units while only integer code is running, or at least gate the clock signal to parts of the chip that don't need to be switching). And entering a low-power sleep state when idle (instead of spinning in an infinite loop waiting for timer interrupts) is also more recent than the ancient computers you mention.
                – Peter Cordes
                yesterday










              • For more about CPU history, see Modern Microprocessors A 90-Minute Guide! - lighterra.com/papers/modernmicroprocessors.
                – Peter Cordes
                yesterday















              up vote
              2
              down vote













              Back in the days of microcomputers running BASIC, delays were usually accomplished with an empty loop:



              FOR I = 1 TO 10000:NEXT



              The same principle could be used to insert a delay in a shell script:



              COUNTER=0; while [ $COUNTER -lt 10000 ]; do :; let COUNTER=COUNTER+1; done



              Of course, the problem with this approach is that the length of the delay will vary from machine to machine according to its processor speed (or even on the same machine under different loads). Unlike sleep, it will probably also max out your CPU (or one of its cores).






              share|improve this answer

















              • 2




                A good way to make heat.
                – ctrl-alt-delor
                2 days ago






              • 1




                Delay-loops are a terrible idea for anything except the very shortest of sleeps (a couple nanoseconds or clock cycles in a device driver) on any modern CPU that can run a Unix-like OS. i.e. a sleep so short you can't usefully have the CPU do anything else while waiting, like schedule another process or enter a low-power sleep state before waking on a timer interrupt. Dynamic CPU-frequency makes it impossible to even calibrate a delay loop for counts per second, except as a minimum delay potentially sleeping a lot longer at low clock speeds before ramping up.
                – Peter Cordes
                yesterday










              • Ancient computers had a power consumption that was much less dependent on workload. Modern CPUs need to dynamically power down different parts of the chip as much as possible to not melt (e.g. power down parts of the FPU or SIMD execution units while only integer code is running, or at least gate the clock signal to parts of the chip that don't need to be switching). And entering a low-power sleep state when idle (instead of spinning in an infinite loop waiting for timer interrupts) is also more recent than the ancient computers you mention.
                – Peter Cordes
                yesterday










              • For more about CPU history, see Modern Microprocessors A 90-Minute Guide! - lighterra.com/papers/modernmicroprocessors.
                – Peter Cordes
                yesterday













              up vote
              2
              down vote










              up vote
              2
              down vote









              Back in the days of microcomputers running BASIC, delays were usually accomplished with an empty loop:



              FOR I = 1 TO 10000:NEXT



              The same principle could be used to insert a delay in a shell script:



              COUNTER=0; while [ $COUNTER -lt 10000 ]; do :; let COUNTER=COUNTER+1; done



              Of course, the problem with this approach is that the length of the delay will vary from machine to machine according to its processor speed (or even on the same machine under different loads). Unlike sleep, it will probably also max out your CPU (or one of its cores).






              share|improve this answer












              Back in the days of microcomputers running BASIC, delays were usually accomplished with an empty loop:



              FOR I = 1 TO 10000:NEXT



              The same principle could be used to insert a delay in a shell script:



              COUNTER=0; while [ $COUNTER -lt 10000 ]; do :; let COUNTER=COUNTER+1; done



              Of course, the problem with this approach is that the length of the delay will vary from machine to machine according to its processor speed (or even on the same machine under different loads). Unlike sleep, it will probably also max out your CPU (or one of its cores).







              share|improve this answer












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              answered 2 days ago









              Psychonaut

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              • 2




                A good way to make heat.
                – ctrl-alt-delor
                2 days ago






              • 1




                Delay-loops are a terrible idea for anything except the very shortest of sleeps (a couple nanoseconds or clock cycles in a device driver) on any modern CPU that can run a Unix-like OS. i.e. a sleep so short you can't usefully have the CPU do anything else while waiting, like schedule another process or enter a low-power sleep state before waking on a timer interrupt. Dynamic CPU-frequency makes it impossible to even calibrate a delay loop for counts per second, except as a minimum delay potentially sleeping a lot longer at low clock speeds before ramping up.
                – Peter Cordes
                yesterday










              • Ancient computers had a power consumption that was much less dependent on workload. Modern CPUs need to dynamically power down different parts of the chip as much as possible to not melt (e.g. power down parts of the FPU or SIMD execution units while only integer code is running, or at least gate the clock signal to parts of the chip that don't need to be switching). And entering a low-power sleep state when idle (instead of spinning in an infinite loop waiting for timer interrupts) is also more recent than the ancient computers you mention.
                – Peter Cordes
                yesterday










              • For more about CPU history, see Modern Microprocessors A 90-Minute Guide! - lighterra.com/papers/modernmicroprocessors.
                – Peter Cordes
                yesterday














              • 2




                A good way to make heat.
                – ctrl-alt-delor
                2 days ago






              • 1




                Delay-loops are a terrible idea for anything except the very shortest of sleeps (a couple nanoseconds or clock cycles in a device driver) on any modern CPU that can run a Unix-like OS. i.e. a sleep so short you can't usefully have the CPU do anything else while waiting, like schedule another process or enter a low-power sleep state before waking on a timer interrupt. Dynamic CPU-frequency makes it impossible to even calibrate a delay loop for counts per second, except as a minimum delay potentially sleeping a lot longer at low clock speeds before ramping up.
                – Peter Cordes
                yesterday










              • Ancient computers had a power consumption that was much less dependent on workload. Modern CPUs need to dynamically power down different parts of the chip as much as possible to not melt (e.g. power down parts of the FPU or SIMD execution units while only integer code is running, or at least gate the clock signal to parts of the chip that don't need to be switching). And entering a low-power sleep state when idle (instead of spinning in an infinite loop waiting for timer interrupts) is also more recent than the ancient computers you mention.
                – Peter Cordes
                yesterday










              • For more about CPU history, see Modern Microprocessors A 90-Minute Guide! - lighterra.com/papers/modernmicroprocessors.
                – Peter Cordes
                yesterday








              2




              2




              A good way to make heat.
              – ctrl-alt-delor
              2 days ago




              A good way to make heat.
              – ctrl-alt-delor
              2 days ago




              1




              1




              Delay-loops are a terrible idea for anything except the very shortest of sleeps (a couple nanoseconds or clock cycles in a device driver) on any modern CPU that can run a Unix-like OS. i.e. a sleep so short you can't usefully have the CPU do anything else while waiting, like schedule another process or enter a low-power sleep state before waking on a timer interrupt. Dynamic CPU-frequency makes it impossible to even calibrate a delay loop for counts per second, except as a minimum delay potentially sleeping a lot longer at low clock speeds before ramping up.
              – Peter Cordes
              yesterday




              Delay-loops are a terrible idea for anything except the very shortest of sleeps (a couple nanoseconds or clock cycles in a device driver) on any modern CPU that can run a Unix-like OS. i.e. a sleep so short you can't usefully have the CPU do anything else while waiting, like schedule another process or enter a low-power sleep state before waking on a timer interrupt. Dynamic CPU-frequency makes it impossible to even calibrate a delay loop for counts per second, except as a minimum delay potentially sleeping a lot longer at low clock speeds before ramping up.
              – Peter Cordes
              yesterday












              Ancient computers had a power consumption that was much less dependent on workload. Modern CPUs need to dynamically power down different parts of the chip as much as possible to not melt (e.g. power down parts of the FPU or SIMD execution units while only integer code is running, or at least gate the clock signal to parts of the chip that don't need to be switching). And entering a low-power sleep state when idle (instead of spinning in an infinite loop waiting for timer interrupts) is also more recent than the ancient computers you mention.
              – Peter Cordes
              yesterday




              Ancient computers had a power consumption that was much less dependent on workload. Modern CPUs need to dynamically power down different parts of the chip as much as possible to not melt (e.g. power down parts of the FPU or SIMD execution units while only integer code is running, or at least gate the clock signal to parts of the chip that don't need to be switching). And entering a low-power sleep state when idle (instead of spinning in an infinite loop waiting for timer interrupts) is also more recent than the ancient computers you mention.
              – Peter Cordes
              yesterday












              For more about CPU history, see Modern Microprocessors A 90-Minute Guide! - lighterra.com/papers/modernmicroprocessors.
              – Peter Cordes
              yesterday




              For more about CPU history, see Modern Microprocessors A 90-Minute Guide! - lighterra.com/papers/modernmicroprocessors.
              – Peter Cordes
              yesterday










              up vote
              2
              down vote













              A classic from the Land of Windows and Batches:



              ping -c 11 localhost >/dev/null && echo "This is a test"





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              • Firewall or name system misconfiguration might introduce a significant additional delay tough.
                – spectras
                yesterday






              • 1




                127.0.0.1 ... @spectras
                – AnoE
                yesterday






              • 1




                Thankfully no longer needed, as Windows now supports sleep natively.
                – Baldrickk
                yesterday






              • 1




                @AnoE> solves the name system part, not the firewall part. Though not common, it can be configured to silently drop pings on local interface. That will cause ping to wait much longer.
                – spectras
                17 hours ago










              • +1 for the "fond" memories
                – A C
                12 hours ago















              up vote
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              A classic from the Land of Windows and Batches:



              ping -c 11 localhost >/dev/null && echo "This is a test"





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              • Firewall or name system misconfiguration might introduce a significant additional delay tough.
                – spectras
                yesterday






              • 1




                127.0.0.1 ... @spectras
                – AnoE
                yesterday






              • 1




                Thankfully no longer needed, as Windows now supports sleep natively.
                – Baldrickk
                yesterday






              • 1




                @AnoE> solves the name system part, not the firewall part. Though not common, it can be configured to silently drop pings on local interface. That will cause ping to wait much longer.
                – spectras
                17 hours ago










              • +1 for the "fond" memories
                – A C
                12 hours ago













              up vote
              2
              down vote










              up vote
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              down vote









              A classic from the Land of Windows and Batches:



              ping -c 11 localhost >/dev/null && echo "This is a test"





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              ping -c 11 localhost >/dev/null && echo "This is a test"






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              • Firewall or name system misconfiguration might introduce a significant additional delay tough.
                – spectras
                yesterday






              • 1




                127.0.0.1 ... @spectras
                – AnoE
                yesterday






              • 1




                Thankfully no longer needed, as Windows now supports sleep natively.
                – Baldrickk
                yesterday






              • 1




                @AnoE> solves the name system part, not the firewall part. Though not common, it can be configured to silently drop pings on local interface. That will cause ping to wait much longer.
                – spectras
                17 hours ago










              • +1 for the "fond" memories
                – A C
                12 hours ago


















              • Firewall or name system misconfiguration might introduce a significant additional delay tough.
                – spectras
                yesterday






              • 1




                127.0.0.1 ... @spectras
                – AnoE
                yesterday






              • 1




                Thankfully no longer needed, as Windows now supports sleep natively.
                – Baldrickk
                yesterday






              • 1




                @AnoE> solves the name system part, not the firewall part. Though not common, it can be configured to silently drop pings on local interface. That will cause ping to wait much longer.
                – spectras
                17 hours ago










              • +1 for the "fond" memories
                – A C
                12 hours ago
















              Firewall or name system misconfiguration might introduce a significant additional delay tough.
              – spectras
              yesterday




              Firewall or name system misconfiguration might introduce a significant additional delay tough.
              – spectras
              yesterday




              1




              1




              127.0.0.1 ... @spectras
              – AnoE
              yesterday




              127.0.0.1 ... @spectras
              – AnoE
              yesterday




              1




              1




              Thankfully no longer needed, as Windows now supports sleep natively.
              – Baldrickk
              yesterday




              Thankfully no longer needed, as Windows now supports sleep natively.
              – Baldrickk
              yesterday




              1




              1




              @AnoE> solves the name system part, not the firewall part. Though not common, it can be configured to silently drop pings on local interface. That will cause ping to wait much longer.
              – spectras
              17 hours ago




              @AnoE> solves the name system part, not the firewall part. Though not common, it can be configured to silently drop pings on local interface. That will cause ping to wait much longer.
              – spectras
              17 hours ago












              +1 for the "fond" memories
              – A C
              12 hours ago




              +1 for the "fond" memories
              – A C
              12 hours ago










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              If you want to interactively wait for a new line in a file, then


              tail -f
              .

              Waiting for a change on a filesystem? Then use e.g.


              inotify / inoticoming
              .

              And there are other options, depending on what you mean with "wait".






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                If you want to interactively wait for a new line in a file, then


                tail -f
                .

                Waiting for a change on a filesystem? Then use e.g.


                inotify / inoticoming
                .

                And there are other options, depending on what you mean with "wait".






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                  up vote
                  0
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                  If you want to interactively wait for a new line in a file, then


                  tail -f
                  .

                  Waiting for a change on a filesystem? Then use e.g.


                  inotify / inoticoming
                  .

                  And there are other options, depending on what you mean with "wait".






                  share|improve this answer












                  If you want to interactively wait for a new line in a file, then


                  tail -f
                  .

                  Waiting for a change on a filesystem? Then use e.g.


                  inotify / inoticoming
                  .

                  And there are other options, depending on what you mean with "wait".







                  share|improve this answer












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