Can I run PEX directly into my clothes washer?











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Aside from the difficulty of finding the right fitting, is there a specific reason I need to connect my clothes washer to the taps via a hose instead of directly via PEX?



I ask because hoses are regarded as a poinit of with a high likely hood of failure. Given PEX and PEX fittings tolerance to bending, freezing, and their ease of rotation around a joint, it seems like PEXing directly into my washer would be preferred vs spending $100+ on fittings, valves and hoses to do it the traditional way.



My thought was to T off a supply line and use two elbows to ensure flexibility in all directions. After the 'T', I'd have 2.5 feet of PEX that I won't strap down to allow flex in the 'y' and 'z' directions, and then an elbow and another 2.5 feet before the shutoff valve to allow flex in the 'x' and 'z':



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If it is okay to connect directly, is it okay to use a plastic elbow? (the male connection on my clothes washer is plastic) such as the sea tech one pictured below, or should I use brass only?



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    TIP: Hoses are marked up like 1000% at the store. Usually they're free, or at most 5 dollars from a local used appliance store. They usually have hundreds of them laying around.
    – freshop
    7 hours ago










  • @freshop that will be very valuable info when I go to flush my on demand hot-water tank. Sadly the brass connections are the major expense (~$70 for the minimal ones in the big box stores by me).
    – virtualxtc
    7 hours ago










  • I know this isn't supposed to be for shopping, but if you're in the US like me try looking up Quarter Turn Ball Valve PEX Washing Machine Outlet Box should be around $30
    – freshop
    7 hours ago










  • @freshop Ya - I saw those but they are PEX A type (heat expanded fitting). The normal (crimp) PEX ones are $70.
    – virtualxtc
    7 hours ago

















up vote
1
down vote

favorite












Aside from the difficulty of finding the right fitting, is there a specific reason I need to connect my clothes washer to the taps via a hose instead of directly via PEX?



I ask because hoses are regarded as a poinit of with a high likely hood of failure. Given PEX and PEX fittings tolerance to bending, freezing, and their ease of rotation around a joint, it seems like PEXing directly into my washer would be preferred vs spending $100+ on fittings, valves and hoses to do it the traditional way.



My thought was to T off a supply line and use two elbows to ensure flexibility in all directions. After the 'T', I'd have 2.5 feet of PEX that I won't strap down to allow flex in the 'y' and 'z' directions, and then an elbow and another 2.5 feet before the shutoff valve to allow flex in the 'x' and 'z':



enter image description here





Fittings



If it is okay to connect directly, is it okay to use a plastic elbow? (the male connection on my clothes washer is plastic) such as the sea tech one pictured below, or should I use brass only?



enter image description here










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    TIP: Hoses are marked up like 1000% at the store. Usually they're free, or at most 5 dollars from a local used appliance store. They usually have hundreds of them laying around.
    – freshop
    7 hours ago










  • @freshop that will be very valuable info when I go to flush my on demand hot-water tank. Sadly the brass connections are the major expense (~$70 for the minimal ones in the big box stores by me).
    – virtualxtc
    7 hours ago










  • I know this isn't supposed to be for shopping, but if you're in the US like me try looking up Quarter Turn Ball Valve PEX Washing Machine Outlet Box should be around $30
    – freshop
    7 hours ago










  • @freshop Ya - I saw those but they are PEX A type (heat expanded fitting). The normal (crimp) PEX ones are $70.
    – virtualxtc
    7 hours ago















up vote
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up vote
1
down vote

favorite











Aside from the difficulty of finding the right fitting, is there a specific reason I need to connect my clothes washer to the taps via a hose instead of directly via PEX?



I ask because hoses are regarded as a poinit of with a high likely hood of failure. Given PEX and PEX fittings tolerance to bending, freezing, and their ease of rotation around a joint, it seems like PEXing directly into my washer would be preferred vs spending $100+ on fittings, valves and hoses to do it the traditional way.



My thought was to T off a supply line and use two elbows to ensure flexibility in all directions. After the 'T', I'd have 2.5 feet of PEX that I won't strap down to allow flex in the 'y' and 'z' directions, and then an elbow and another 2.5 feet before the shutoff valve to allow flex in the 'x' and 'z':



enter image description here





Fittings



If it is okay to connect directly, is it okay to use a plastic elbow? (the male connection on my clothes washer is plastic) such as the sea tech one pictured below, or should I use brass only?



enter image description here










share|improve this question















Aside from the difficulty of finding the right fitting, is there a specific reason I need to connect my clothes washer to the taps via a hose instead of directly via PEX?



I ask because hoses are regarded as a poinit of with a high likely hood of failure. Given PEX and PEX fittings tolerance to bending, freezing, and their ease of rotation around a joint, it seems like PEXing directly into my washer would be preferred vs spending $100+ on fittings, valves and hoses to do it the traditional way.



My thought was to T off a supply line and use two elbows to ensure flexibility in all directions. After the 'T', I'd have 2.5 feet of PEX that I won't strap down to allow flex in the 'y' and 'z' directions, and then an elbow and another 2.5 feet before the shutoff valve to allow flex in the 'x' and 'z':



enter image description here





Fittings



If it is okay to connect directly, is it okay to use a plastic elbow? (the male connection on my clothes washer is plastic) such as the sea tech one pictured below, or should I use brass only?



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    TIP: Hoses are marked up like 1000% at the store. Usually they're free, or at most 5 dollars from a local used appliance store. They usually have hundreds of them laying around.
    – freshop
    7 hours ago










  • @freshop that will be very valuable info when I go to flush my on demand hot-water tank. Sadly the brass connections are the major expense (~$70 for the minimal ones in the big box stores by me).
    – virtualxtc
    7 hours ago










  • I know this isn't supposed to be for shopping, but if you're in the US like me try looking up Quarter Turn Ball Valve PEX Washing Machine Outlet Box should be around $30
    – freshop
    7 hours ago










  • @freshop Ya - I saw those but they are PEX A type (heat expanded fitting). The normal (crimp) PEX ones are $70.
    – virtualxtc
    7 hours ago
















  • 1




    TIP: Hoses are marked up like 1000% at the store. Usually they're free, or at most 5 dollars from a local used appliance store. They usually have hundreds of them laying around.
    – freshop
    7 hours ago










  • @freshop that will be very valuable info when I go to flush my on demand hot-water tank. Sadly the brass connections are the major expense (~$70 for the minimal ones in the big box stores by me).
    – virtualxtc
    7 hours ago










  • I know this isn't supposed to be for shopping, but if you're in the US like me try looking up Quarter Turn Ball Valve PEX Washing Machine Outlet Box should be around $30
    – freshop
    7 hours ago










  • @freshop Ya - I saw those but they are PEX A type (heat expanded fitting). The normal (crimp) PEX ones are $70.
    – virtualxtc
    7 hours ago










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TIP: Hoses are marked up like 1000% at the store. Usually they're free, or at most 5 dollars from a local used appliance store. They usually have hundreds of them laying around.
– freshop
7 hours ago




TIP: Hoses are marked up like 1000% at the store. Usually they're free, or at most 5 dollars from a local used appliance store. They usually have hundreds of them laying around.
– freshop
7 hours ago












@freshop that will be very valuable info when I go to flush my on demand hot-water tank. Sadly the brass connections are the major expense (~$70 for the minimal ones in the big box stores by me).
– virtualxtc
7 hours ago




@freshop that will be very valuable info when I go to flush my on demand hot-water tank. Sadly the brass connections are the major expense (~$70 for the minimal ones in the big box stores by me).
– virtualxtc
7 hours ago












I know this isn't supposed to be for shopping, but if you're in the US like me try looking up Quarter Turn Ball Valve PEX Washing Machine Outlet Box should be around $30
– freshop
7 hours ago




I know this isn't supposed to be for shopping, but if you're in the US like me try looking up Quarter Turn Ball Valve PEX Washing Machine Outlet Box should be around $30
– freshop
7 hours ago












@freshop Ya - I saw those but they are PEX A type (heat expanded fitting). The normal (crimp) PEX ones are $70.
– virtualxtc
7 hours ago






@freshop Ya - I saw those but they are PEX A type (heat expanded fitting). The normal (crimp) PEX ones are $70.
– virtualxtc
7 hours ago












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Aside from the fact that I don’t think it would be allowed by code it would be inconvenient and if there was ever a problem with the mechanics inside your machine and water started spewing out all over your floor you wouldn’t have a way to shut it off or disconnected easily.



Trying to save money now may cost you more money in the long run.



Buy stainless steel braided hoses and if you’re still worried get an auto shut off water detection system.



Do it right once or do it wrong once and then do it right the second time.






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  • I have the valves already for the washer / laundry sink, but my experience has been that it's very difficult to convince a partner who isn't mechanically inclined to remember to shut these off, especially since the dryer also needs water for it's steam functions. Auto shut off valve is already purchased as I don't trust the internal parts of the machine to last.
    – virtualxtc
    7 hours ago






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    Not much we can do about an incompetent or more than likely and indifferent partner. It does not take much mechanical aptitude to turn a valve. People generally don’t turn their washing machine valves off after every use.
    – Alaska man
    7 hours ago












  • My last partner was so bad I installed one of those timber based shutoffs. Of course the timer mechanism failed after 1.5 yrs, so I'm trying to get away from such solutions.
    – virtualxtc
    7 hours ago






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    First person I have ever heard of turning the water off after each cycle. Sure if gone in the winter it would make sense, but using the wrong fittings maybe it should be turned off to hide the hack job when it fails.
    – Ed Beal
    6 hours ago


















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I think it's a good idea, though I've never seen a washer hose fail ("high likelihood" is probably still point-zero-zero-something percent per year). Some caveats:




  • Pex, while fairly flexible, probably isn't going to take repeated long-term movement like rubber or vinyl. Leave enough of a loop between the wall and the machine so that no part of the tube is regularly stressed by the natural vibration of the machine (and you moving it to clean out dust bunnies).

  • You might find that you wish you had shutoff valves close at hand. In fact, it may be required by code.

  • Pex, being stiff, may want to jump around a bit when the machine opens and closes its internal valves. This could cause some slapping behind the machine. You might need to secure the lines to prevent them doing so.






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  • I've been in a house when a rubber washer hose failed, but you might be right about the braided metal ones (it's just super expensive). Anyway, I updated my question to better explain how I was planning to get the flex needed.
    – virtualxtc
    7 hours ago




















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All though I am not sure if this is a code enforcement issue, the one issue I see is the flexibility of the hoses to allow the machine to "wobble" or "jump" when out of balance. Therefore not breaking the pipe or elbow, or slipping off the pipe at the connection point.






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  • Updated my question to explain how I was planning to work around this.
    – virtualxtc
    7 hours ago











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Aside from the fact that I don’t think it would be allowed by code it would be inconvenient and if there was ever a problem with the mechanics inside your machine and water started spewing out all over your floor you wouldn’t have a way to shut it off or disconnected easily.



Trying to save money now may cost you more money in the long run.



Buy stainless steel braided hoses and if you’re still worried get an auto shut off water detection system.



Do it right once or do it wrong once and then do it right the second time.






share|improve this answer





















  • I have the valves already for the washer / laundry sink, but my experience has been that it's very difficult to convince a partner who isn't mechanically inclined to remember to shut these off, especially since the dryer also needs water for it's steam functions. Auto shut off valve is already purchased as I don't trust the internal parts of the machine to last.
    – virtualxtc
    7 hours ago






  • 1




    Not much we can do about an incompetent or more than likely and indifferent partner. It does not take much mechanical aptitude to turn a valve. People generally don’t turn their washing machine valves off after every use.
    – Alaska man
    7 hours ago












  • My last partner was so bad I installed one of those timber based shutoffs. Of course the timer mechanism failed after 1.5 yrs, so I'm trying to get away from such solutions.
    – virtualxtc
    7 hours ago






  • 2




    First person I have ever heard of turning the water off after each cycle. Sure if gone in the winter it would make sense, but using the wrong fittings maybe it should be turned off to hide the hack job when it fails.
    – Ed Beal
    6 hours ago















up vote
3
down vote













Aside from the fact that I don’t think it would be allowed by code it would be inconvenient and if there was ever a problem with the mechanics inside your machine and water started spewing out all over your floor you wouldn’t have a way to shut it off or disconnected easily.



Trying to save money now may cost you more money in the long run.



Buy stainless steel braided hoses and if you’re still worried get an auto shut off water detection system.



Do it right once or do it wrong once and then do it right the second time.






share|improve this answer





















  • I have the valves already for the washer / laundry sink, but my experience has been that it's very difficult to convince a partner who isn't mechanically inclined to remember to shut these off, especially since the dryer also needs water for it's steam functions. Auto shut off valve is already purchased as I don't trust the internal parts of the machine to last.
    – virtualxtc
    7 hours ago






  • 1




    Not much we can do about an incompetent or more than likely and indifferent partner. It does not take much mechanical aptitude to turn a valve. People generally don’t turn their washing machine valves off after every use.
    – Alaska man
    7 hours ago












  • My last partner was so bad I installed one of those timber based shutoffs. Of course the timer mechanism failed after 1.5 yrs, so I'm trying to get away from such solutions.
    – virtualxtc
    7 hours ago






  • 2




    First person I have ever heard of turning the water off after each cycle. Sure if gone in the winter it would make sense, but using the wrong fittings maybe it should be turned off to hide the hack job when it fails.
    – Ed Beal
    6 hours ago













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3
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up vote
3
down vote









Aside from the fact that I don’t think it would be allowed by code it would be inconvenient and if there was ever a problem with the mechanics inside your machine and water started spewing out all over your floor you wouldn’t have a way to shut it off or disconnected easily.



Trying to save money now may cost you more money in the long run.



Buy stainless steel braided hoses and if you’re still worried get an auto shut off water detection system.



Do it right once or do it wrong once and then do it right the second time.






share|improve this answer












Aside from the fact that I don’t think it would be allowed by code it would be inconvenient and if there was ever a problem with the mechanics inside your machine and water started spewing out all over your floor you wouldn’t have a way to shut it off or disconnected easily.



Trying to save money now may cost you more money in the long run.



Buy stainless steel braided hoses and if you’re still worried get an auto shut off water detection system.



Do it right once or do it wrong once and then do it right the second time.







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  • I have the valves already for the washer / laundry sink, but my experience has been that it's very difficult to convince a partner who isn't mechanically inclined to remember to shut these off, especially since the dryer also needs water for it's steam functions. Auto shut off valve is already purchased as I don't trust the internal parts of the machine to last.
    – virtualxtc
    7 hours ago






  • 1




    Not much we can do about an incompetent or more than likely and indifferent partner. It does not take much mechanical aptitude to turn a valve. People generally don’t turn their washing machine valves off after every use.
    – Alaska man
    7 hours ago












  • My last partner was so bad I installed one of those timber based shutoffs. Of course the timer mechanism failed after 1.5 yrs, so I'm trying to get away from such solutions.
    – virtualxtc
    7 hours ago






  • 2




    First person I have ever heard of turning the water off after each cycle. Sure if gone in the winter it would make sense, but using the wrong fittings maybe it should be turned off to hide the hack job when it fails.
    – Ed Beal
    6 hours ago


















  • I have the valves already for the washer / laundry sink, but my experience has been that it's very difficult to convince a partner who isn't mechanically inclined to remember to shut these off, especially since the dryer also needs water for it's steam functions. Auto shut off valve is already purchased as I don't trust the internal parts of the machine to last.
    – virtualxtc
    7 hours ago






  • 1




    Not much we can do about an incompetent or more than likely and indifferent partner. It does not take much mechanical aptitude to turn a valve. People generally don’t turn their washing machine valves off after every use.
    – Alaska man
    7 hours ago












  • My last partner was so bad I installed one of those timber based shutoffs. Of course the timer mechanism failed after 1.5 yrs, so I'm trying to get away from such solutions.
    – virtualxtc
    7 hours ago






  • 2




    First person I have ever heard of turning the water off after each cycle. Sure if gone in the winter it would make sense, but using the wrong fittings maybe it should be turned off to hide the hack job when it fails.
    – Ed Beal
    6 hours ago
















I have the valves already for the washer / laundry sink, but my experience has been that it's very difficult to convince a partner who isn't mechanically inclined to remember to shut these off, especially since the dryer also needs water for it's steam functions. Auto shut off valve is already purchased as I don't trust the internal parts of the machine to last.
– virtualxtc
7 hours ago




I have the valves already for the washer / laundry sink, but my experience has been that it's very difficult to convince a partner who isn't mechanically inclined to remember to shut these off, especially since the dryer also needs water for it's steam functions. Auto shut off valve is already purchased as I don't trust the internal parts of the machine to last.
– virtualxtc
7 hours ago




1




1




Not much we can do about an incompetent or more than likely and indifferent partner. It does not take much mechanical aptitude to turn a valve. People generally don’t turn their washing machine valves off after every use.
– Alaska man
7 hours ago






Not much we can do about an incompetent or more than likely and indifferent partner. It does not take much mechanical aptitude to turn a valve. People generally don’t turn their washing machine valves off after every use.
– Alaska man
7 hours ago














My last partner was so bad I installed one of those timber based shutoffs. Of course the timer mechanism failed after 1.5 yrs, so I'm trying to get away from such solutions.
– virtualxtc
7 hours ago




My last partner was so bad I installed one of those timber based shutoffs. Of course the timer mechanism failed after 1.5 yrs, so I'm trying to get away from such solutions.
– virtualxtc
7 hours ago




2




2




First person I have ever heard of turning the water off after each cycle. Sure if gone in the winter it would make sense, but using the wrong fittings maybe it should be turned off to hide the hack job when it fails.
– Ed Beal
6 hours ago




First person I have ever heard of turning the water off after each cycle. Sure if gone in the winter it would make sense, but using the wrong fittings maybe it should be turned off to hide the hack job when it fails.
– Ed Beal
6 hours ago












up vote
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I think it's a good idea, though I've never seen a washer hose fail ("high likelihood" is probably still point-zero-zero-something percent per year). Some caveats:




  • Pex, while fairly flexible, probably isn't going to take repeated long-term movement like rubber or vinyl. Leave enough of a loop between the wall and the machine so that no part of the tube is regularly stressed by the natural vibration of the machine (and you moving it to clean out dust bunnies).

  • You might find that you wish you had shutoff valves close at hand. In fact, it may be required by code.

  • Pex, being stiff, may want to jump around a bit when the machine opens and closes its internal valves. This could cause some slapping behind the machine. You might need to secure the lines to prevent them doing so.






share|improve this answer





















  • I've been in a house when a rubber washer hose failed, but you might be right about the braided metal ones (it's just super expensive). Anyway, I updated my question to better explain how I was planning to get the flex needed.
    – virtualxtc
    7 hours ago

















up vote
1
down vote













I think it's a good idea, though I've never seen a washer hose fail ("high likelihood" is probably still point-zero-zero-something percent per year). Some caveats:




  • Pex, while fairly flexible, probably isn't going to take repeated long-term movement like rubber or vinyl. Leave enough of a loop between the wall and the machine so that no part of the tube is regularly stressed by the natural vibration of the machine (and you moving it to clean out dust bunnies).

  • You might find that you wish you had shutoff valves close at hand. In fact, it may be required by code.

  • Pex, being stiff, may want to jump around a bit when the machine opens and closes its internal valves. This could cause some slapping behind the machine. You might need to secure the lines to prevent them doing so.






share|improve this answer





















  • I've been in a house when a rubber washer hose failed, but you might be right about the braided metal ones (it's just super expensive). Anyway, I updated my question to better explain how I was planning to get the flex needed.
    – virtualxtc
    7 hours ago















up vote
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up vote
1
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I think it's a good idea, though I've never seen a washer hose fail ("high likelihood" is probably still point-zero-zero-something percent per year). Some caveats:




  • Pex, while fairly flexible, probably isn't going to take repeated long-term movement like rubber or vinyl. Leave enough of a loop between the wall and the machine so that no part of the tube is regularly stressed by the natural vibration of the machine (and you moving it to clean out dust bunnies).

  • You might find that you wish you had shutoff valves close at hand. In fact, it may be required by code.

  • Pex, being stiff, may want to jump around a bit when the machine opens and closes its internal valves. This could cause some slapping behind the machine. You might need to secure the lines to prevent them doing so.






share|improve this answer












I think it's a good idea, though I've never seen a washer hose fail ("high likelihood" is probably still point-zero-zero-something percent per year). Some caveats:




  • Pex, while fairly flexible, probably isn't going to take repeated long-term movement like rubber or vinyl. Leave enough of a loop between the wall and the machine so that no part of the tube is regularly stressed by the natural vibration of the machine (and you moving it to clean out dust bunnies).

  • You might find that you wish you had shutoff valves close at hand. In fact, it may be required by code.

  • Pex, being stiff, may want to jump around a bit when the machine opens and closes its internal valves. This could cause some slapping behind the machine. You might need to secure the lines to prevent them doing so.







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  • I've been in a house when a rubber washer hose failed, but you might be right about the braided metal ones (it's just super expensive). Anyway, I updated my question to better explain how I was planning to get the flex needed.
    – virtualxtc
    7 hours ago




















  • I've been in a house when a rubber washer hose failed, but you might be right about the braided metal ones (it's just super expensive). Anyway, I updated my question to better explain how I was planning to get the flex needed.
    – virtualxtc
    7 hours ago


















I've been in a house when a rubber washer hose failed, but you might be right about the braided metal ones (it's just super expensive). Anyway, I updated my question to better explain how I was planning to get the flex needed.
– virtualxtc
7 hours ago






I've been in a house when a rubber washer hose failed, but you might be right about the braided metal ones (it's just super expensive). Anyway, I updated my question to better explain how I was planning to get the flex needed.
– virtualxtc
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All though I am not sure if this is a code enforcement issue, the one issue I see is the flexibility of the hoses to allow the machine to "wobble" or "jump" when out of balance. Therefore not breaking the pipe or elbow, or slipping off the pipe at the connection point.






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  • Updated my question to explain how I was planning to work around this.
    – virtualxtc
    7 hours ago















up vote
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All though I am not sure if this is a code enforcement issue, the one issue I see is the flexibility of the hoses to allow the machine to "wobble" or "jump" when out of balance. Therefore not breaking the pipe or elbow, or slipping off the pipe at the connection point.






share|improve this answer





















  • Updated my question to explain how I was planning to work around this.
    – virtualxtc
    7 hours ago













up vote
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up vote
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All though I am not sure if this is a code enforcement issue, the one issue I see is the flexibility of the hoses to allow the machine to "wobble" or "jump" when out of balance. Therefore not breaking the pipe or elbow, or slipping off the pipe at the connection point.






share|improve this answer












All though I am not sure if this is a code enforcement issue, the one issue I see is the flexibility of the hoses to allow the machine to "wobble" or "jump" when out of balance. Therefore not breaking the pipe or elbow, or slipping off the pipe at the connection point.







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  • Updated my question to explain how I was planning to work around this.
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Updated my question to explain how I was planning to work around this.
– virtualxtc
7 hours ago




Updated my question to explain how I was planning to work around this.
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