Less morbid equivalent of the idiom “Giving someone enough rope to hang himself”?
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In other words, an idiom for empowering someone with a capability that they might, through ignorance, misuse to self-detrimental effect.
The motivation for an alternative is the professional setting, where it's not appropriate to allude to suicide!
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In other words, an idiom for empowering someone with a capability that they might, through ignorance, misuse to self-detrimental effect.
The motivation for an alternative is the professional setting, where it's not appropriate to allude to suicide!
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If you're worried about alluding to suicide in your professional environment, you might also want to avoid taking this action in the first place. It's generally poor team play to enable a teammate in this way.
– Ian MacDonald
5 hours ago
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Not regarded as morbid. Just a figure of speech. Cherish the English language for its colour, rather than strangling it with bland weasel words.
– David
5 hours ago
Paul, to what extent d'you see that as morbid? What measure would make the difference you ask about?
– Robbie Goodwin
4 hours ago
@David On what basis can you say it's not regarded as morbid? Using death by hanging as a metaphor for an unrelated situation very much suits the definition of the term. To want to avoid allusions to death by hanging in a formal business setting does not seem at all in opposition to "cherishing the English language's colour", since there are plenty of other colourful expressions which are not appropriate to all audiences.
– Paul Hendry
4 hours ago
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@RobbieGoodwin Your rude tone is not helpful or welcome. Plenty of additional context has been provided, so if you remain fixated on a choice of word in the title, then your input is not relevant.
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In other words, an idiom for empowering someone with a capability that they might, through ignorance, misuse to self-detrimental effect.
The motivation for an alternative is the professional setting, where it's not appropriate to allude to suicide!
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In other words, an idiom for empowering someone with a capability that they might, through ignorance, misuse to self-detrimental effect.
The motivation for an alternative is the professional setting, where it's not appropriate to allude to suicide!
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If you're worried about alluding to suicide in your professional environment, you might also want to avoid taking this action in the first place. It's generally poor team play to enable a teammate in this way.
– Ian MacDonald
5 hours ago
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Not regarded as morbid. Just a figure of speech. Cherish the English language for its colour, rather than strangling it with bland weasel words.
– David
5 hours ago
Paul, to what extent d'you see that as morbid? What measure would make the difference you ask about?
– Robbie Goodwin
4 hours ago
@David On what basis can you say it's not regarded as morbid? Using death by hanging as a metaphor for an unrelated situation very much suits the definition of the term. To want to avoid allusions to death by hanging in a formal business setting does not seem at all in opposition to "cherishing the English language's colour", since there are plenty of other colourful expressions which are not appropriate to all audiences.
– Paul Hendry
4 hours ago
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@RobbieGoodwin Your rude tone is not helpful or welcome. Plenty of additional context has been provided, so if you remain fixated on a choice of word in the title, then your input is not relevant.
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If you're worried about alluding to suicide in your professional environment, you might also want to avoid taking this action in the first place. It's generally poor team play to enable a teammate in this way.
– Ian MacDonald
5 hours ago
1
Not regarded as morbid. Just a figure of speech. Cherish the English language for its colour, rather than strangling it with bland weasel words.
– David
5 hours ago
Paul, to what extent d'you see that as morbid? What measure would make the difference you ask about?
– Robbie Goodwin
4 hours ago
@David On what basis can you say it's not regarded as morbid? Using death by hanging as a metaphor for an unrelated situation very much suits the definition of the term. To want to avoid allusions to death by hanging in a formal business setting does not seem at all in opposition to "cherishing the English language's colour", since there are plenty of other colourful expressions which are not appropriate to all audiences.
– Paul Hendry
4 hours ago
1
@RobbieGoodwin Your rude tone is not helpful or welcome. Plenty of additional context has been provided, so if you remain fixated on a choice of word in the title, then your input is not relevant.
– Paul Hendry
2 hours ago
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If you're worried about alluding to suicide in your professional environment, you might also want to avoid taking this action in the first place. It's generally poor team play to enable a teammate in this way.
– Ian MacDonald
5 hours ago
If you're worried about alluding to suicide in your professional environment, you might also want to avoid taking this action in the first place. It's generally poor team play to enable a teammate in this way.
– Ian MacDonald
5 hours ago
1
1
Not regarded as morbid. Just a figure of speech. Cherish the English language for its colour, rather than strangling it with bland weasel words.
– David
5 hours ago
Not regarded as morbid. Just a figure of speech. Cherish the English language for its colour, rather than strangling it with bland weasel words.
– David
5 hours ago
Paul, to what extent d'you see that as morbid? What measure would make the difference you ask about?
– Robbie Goodwin
4 hours ago
Paul, to what extent d'you see that as morbid? What measure would make the difference you ask about?
– Robbie Goodwin
4 hours ago
@David On what basis can you say it's not regarded as morbid? Using death by hanging as a metaphor for an unrelated situation very much suits the definition of the term. To want to avoid allusions to death by hanging in a formal business setting does not seem at all in opposition to "cherishing the English language's colour", since there are plenty of other colourful expressions which are not appropriate to all audiences.
– Paul Hendry
4 hours ago
@David On what basis can you say it's not regarded as morbid? Using death by hanging as a metaphor for an unrelated situation very much suits the definition of the term. To want to avoid allusions to death by hanging in a formal business setting does not seem at all in opposition to "cherishing the English language's colour", since there are plenty of other colourful expressions which are not appropriate to all audiences.
– Paul Hendry
4 hours ago
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@RobbieGoodwin Your rude tone is not helpful or welcome. Plenty of additional context has been provided, so if you remain fixated on a choice of word in the title, then your input is not relevant.
– Paul Hendry
2 hours ago
@RobbieGoodwin Your rude tone is not helpful or welcome. Plenty of additional context has been provided, so if you remain fixated on a choice of word in the title, then your input is not relevant.
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Perhaps something like letting one "dig their own grave." Hope this helps.
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Oh you are wicked!
– David
5 hours ago
It doesn't quite convey the same meaning of providing the capability; for that it would have to be more like "giving them a shovel to dig their own grave". Maybe it comes down to which of these idioms one is accustomed to hearing, but to me this definitely sounds like a less visceral metaphor than one describing the subject hanging themselves. Thanks for the response
– Paul Hendry
3 hours ago
I think "letting one dig..." suggests a kind of passive complicity on the part of the actor allowing the other to self-sabotage. I think it gets close to what you are looking for, but by no means am I arguing that my suggestion is your definitive answer. As you say, it is less visceral than one describing active complicity in facilitating suicide or self-harm.
– Omar Al Jamal
3 hours ago
@OmarAlJamal You're right, and on first read I was fixating on the quoted part of your response ("dig their own grave"). The full phrase does expand on the meaning. This is probably the closest equivalent that's commonly used.
– Paul Hendry
3 hours ago
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Well, to be nice to new contributors, here is a genuine suggestion:
Bite off more than he can chew
(unless the act of chewing is considered vulgar with its association with gum).
For a strict analogy to “Give him…” you would need to make this something like “Have him bite off…” or “Make him bite off…”.
[But I do think that we use many phases without thinking about the original meaning of the words — a killing look, dead beautiful, kick the bucket (death by hanging), dig your own grave, annihilate, wipe out (skiing terminology) etc. etc.]
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More of a phrase than an idiom, but...
set someone up to fail / set someone up for failure
From Wikipedia (I know, I know... but it's the best source I could find):
Setting up to fail is a well-established workplace bullying tactic.[6][7][8] One technique is to overload with work, while denying the victim the authority to handle it and over-interfering;[9] another is the withholding of the information necessary to succeed.[10]
If a person puts another individual (usually a subordinate) in a
stressful situation in which failure is almost certain, this may be an
aspect of bullying wherein the outcome can then be used to discredit
and blame the victim.[11] Sometimes, this may involve the bully
covertly sabotaging and undermining an objective that may have
otherwise been achievable. This type of bullying may be the result of
the projection of the bully's own feelings of inadequacy onto the
victim.[12]
There can be cases where an employee is set up to fail because the
stated goals of the task are considered harmful to the organization;
an internal investigation is one example. Institutions may protect
themselves by "going through the motions" of a sham investigation in
which the findings conveniently fail to find any evidence of
wrongdoing by the authorities involved with setting up the
investigation.
From the Harvard Business Review:
That was specifically about employees and bosses, but it's possible for parents/children, co-workers, teammates... any number of relationships. Even yourself!
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Perhaps something like letting one "dig their own grave." Hope this helps.
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Oh you are wicked!
– David
5 hours ago
It doesn't quite convey the same meaning of providing the capability; for that it would have to be more like "giving them a shovel to dig their own grave". Maybe it comes down to which of these idioms one is accustomed to hearing, but to me this definitely sounds like a less visceral metaphor than one describing the subject hanging themselves. Thanks for the response
– Paul Hendry
3 hours ago
I think "letting one dig..." suggests a kind of passive complicity on the part of the actor allowing the other to self-sabotage. I think it gets close to what you are looking for, but by no means am I arguing that my suggestion is your definitive answer. As you say, it is less visceral than one describing active complicity in facilitating suicide or self-harm.
– Omar Al Jamal
3 hours ago
@OmarAlJamal You're right, and on first read I was fixating on the quoted part of your response ("dig their own grave"). The full phrase does expand on the meaning. This is probably the closest equivalent that's commonly used.
– Paul Hendry
3 hours ago
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Perhaps something like letting one "dig their own grave." Hope this helps.
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Oh you are wicked!
– David
5 hours ago
It doesn't quite convey the same meaning of providing the capability; for that it would have to be more like "giving them a shovel to dig their own grave". Maybe it comes down to which of these idioms one is accustomed to hearing, but to me this definitely sounds like a less visceral metaphor than one describing the subject hanging themselves. Thanks for the response
– Paul Hendry
3 hours ago
I think "letting one dig..." suggests a kind of passive complicity on the part of the actor allowing the other to self-sabotage. I think it gets close to what you are looking for, but by no means am I arguing that my suggestion is your definitive answer. As you say, it is less visceral than one describing active complicity in facilitating suicide or self-harm.
– Omar Al Jamal
3 hours ago
@OmarAlJamal You're right, and on first read I was fixating on the quoted part of your response ("dig their own grave"). The full phrase does expand on the meaning. This is probably the closest equivalent that's commonly used.
– Paul Hendry
3 hours ago
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Perhaps something like letting one "dig their own grave." Hope this helps.
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Perhaps something like letting one "dig their own grave." Hope this helps.
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Oh you are wicked!
– David
5 hours ago
It doesn't quite convey the same meaning of providing the capability; for that it would have to be more like "giving them a shovel to dig their own grave". Maybe it comes down to which of these idioms one is accustomed to hearing, but to me this definitely sounds like a less visceral metaphor than one describing the subject hanging themselves. Thanks for the response
– Paul Hendry
3 hours ago
I think "letting one dig..." suggests a kind of passive complicity on the part of the actor allowing the other to self-sabotage. I think it gets close to what you are looking for, but by no means am I arguing that my suggestion is your definitive answer. As you say, it is less visceral than one describing active complicity in facilitating suicide or self-harm.
– Omar Al Jamal
3 hours ago
@OmarAlJamal You're right, and on first read I was fixating on the quoted part of your response ("dig their own grave"). The full phrase does expand on the meaning. This is probably the closest equivalent that's commonly used.
– Paul Hendry
3 hours ago
add a comment |
1
Oh you are wicked!
– David
5 hours ago
It doesn't quite convey the same meaning of providing the capability; for that it would have to be more like "giving them a shovel to dig their own grave". Maybe it comes down to which of these idioms one is accustomed to hearing, but to me this definitely sounds like a less visceral metaphor than one describing the subject hanging themselves. Thanks for the response
– Paul Hendry
3 hours ago
I think "letting one dig..." suggests a kind of passive complicity on the part of the actor allowing the other to self-sabotage. I think it gets close to what you are looking for, but by no means am I arguing that my suggestion is your definitive answer. As you say, it is less visceral than one describing active complicity in facilitating suicide or self-harm.
– Omar Al Jamal
3 hours ago
@OmarAlJamal You're right, and on first read I was fixating on the quoted part of your response ("dig their own grave"). The full phrase does expand on the meaning. This is probably the closest equivalent that's commonly used.
– Paul Hendry
3 hours ago
1
1
Oh you are wicked!
– David
5 hours ago
Oh you are wicked!
– David
5 hours ago
It doesn't quite convey the same meaning of providing the capability; for that it would have to be more like "giving them a shovel to dig their own grave". Maybe it comes down to which of these idioms one is accustomed to hearing, but to me this definitely sounds like a less visceral metaphor than one describing the subject hanging themselves. Thanks for the response
– Paul Hendry
3 hours ago
It doesn't quite convey the same meaning of providing the capability; for that it would have to be more like "giving them a shovel to dig their own grave". Maybe it comes down to which of these idioms one is accustomed to hearing, but to me this definitely sounds like a less visceral metaphor than one describing the subject hanging themselves. Thanks for the response
– Paul Hendry
3 hours ago
I think "letting one dig..." suggests a kind of passive complicity on the part of the actor allowing the other to self-sabotage. I think it gets close to what you are looking for, but by no means am I arguing that my suggestion is your definitive answer. As you say, it is less visceral than one describing active complicity in facilitating suicide or self-harm.
– Omar Al Jamal
3 hours ago
I think "letting one dig..." suggests a kind of passive complicity on the part of the actor allowing the other to self-sabotage. I think it gets close to what you are looking for, but by no means am I arguing that my suggestion is your definitive answer. As you say, it is less visceral than one describing active complicity in facilitating suicide or self-harm.
– Omar Al Jamal
3 hours ago
@OmarAlJamal You're right, and on first read I was fixating on the quoted part of your response ("dig their own grave"). The full phrase does expand on the meaning. This is probably the closest equivalent that's commonly used.
– Paul Hendry
3 hours ago
@OmarAlJamal You're right, and on first read I was fixating on the quoted part of your response ("dig their own grave"). The full phrase does expand on the meaning. This is probably the closest equivalent that's commonly used.
– Paul Hendry
3 hours ago
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Well, to be nice to new contributors, here is a genuine suggestion:
Bite off more than he can chew
(unless the act of chewing is considered vulgar with its association with gum).
For a strict analogy to “Give him…” you would need to make this something like “Have him bite off…” or “Make him bite off…”.
[But I do think that we use many phases without thinking about the original meaning of the words — a killing look, dead beautiful, kick the bucket (death by hanging), dig your own grave, annihilate, wipe out (skiing terminology) etc. etc.]
add a comment |
up vote
0
down vote
Well, to be nice to new contributors, here is a genuine suggestion:
Bite off more than he can chew
(unless the act of chewing is considered vulgar with its association with gum).
For a strict analogy to “Give him…” you would need to make this something like “Have him bite off…” or “Make him bite off…”.
[But I do think that we use many phases without thinking about the original meaning of the words — a killing look, dead beautiful, kick the bucket (death by hanging), dig your own grave, annihilate, wipe out (skiing terminology) etc. etc.]
add a comment |
up vote
0
down vote
up vote
0
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Well, to be nice to new contributors, here is a genuine suggestion:
Bite off more than he can chew
(unless the act of chewing is considered vulgar with its association with gum).
For a strict analogy to “Give him…” you would need to make this something like “Have him bite off…” or “Make him bite off…”.
[But I do think that we use many phases without thinking about the original meaning of the words — a killing look, dead beautiful, kick the bucket (death by hanging), dig your own grave, annihilate, wipe out (skiing terminology) etc. etc.]
Well, to be nice to new contributors, here is a genuine suggestion:
Bite off more than he can chew
(unless the act of chewing is considered vulgar with its association with gum).
For a strict analogy to “Give him…” you would need to make this something like “Have him bite off…” or “Make him bite off…”.
[But I do think that we use many phases without thinking about the original meaning of the words — a killing look, dead beautiful, kick the bucket (death by hanging), dig your own grave, annihilate, wipe out (skiing terminology) etc. etc.]
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More of a phrase than an idiom, but...
set someone up to fail / set someone up for failure
From Wikipedia (I know, I know... but it's the best source I could find):
Setting up to fail is a well-established workplace bullying tactic.[6][7][8] One technique is to overload with work, while denying the victim the authority to handle it and over-interfering;[9] another is the withholding of the information necessary to succeed.[10]
If a person puts another individual (usually a subordinate) in a
stressful situation in which failure is almost certain, this may be an
aspect of bullying wherein the outcome can then be used to discredit
and blame the victim.[11] Sometimes, this may involve the bully
covertly sabotaging and undermining an objective that may have
otherwise been achievable. This type of bullying may be the result of
the projection of the bully's own feelings of inadequacy onto the
victim.[12]
There can be cases where an employee is set up to fail because the
stated goals of the task are considered harmful to the organization;
an internal investigation is one example. Institutions may protect
themselves by "going through the motions" of a sham investigation in
which the findings conveniently fail to find any evidence of
wrongdoing by the authorities involved with setting up the
investigation.
From the Harvard Business Review:
That was specifically about employees and bosses, but it's possible for parents/children, co-workers, teammates... any number of relationships. Even yourself!
add a comment |
up vote
-1
down vote
More of a phrase than an idiom, but...
set someone up to fail / set someone up for failure
From Wikipedia (I know, I know... but it's the best source I could find):
Setting up to fail is a well-established workplace bullying tactic.[6][7][8] One technique is to overload with work, while denying the victim the authority to handle it and over-interfering;[9] another is the withholding of the information necessary to succeed.[10]
If a person puts another individual (usually a subordinate) in a
stressful situation in which failure is almost certain, this may be an
aspect of bullying wherein the outcome can then be used to discredit
and blame the victim.[11] Sometimes, this may involve the bully
covertly sabotaging and undermining an objective that may have
otherwise been achievable. This type of bullying may be the result of
the projection of the bully's own feelings of inadequacy onto the
victim.[12]
There can be cases where an employee is set up to fail because the
stated goals of the task are considered harmful to the organization;
an internal investigation is one example. Institutions may protect
themselves by "going through the motions" of a sham investigation in
which the findings conveniently fail to find any evidence of
wrongdoing by the authorities involved with setting up the
investigation.
From the Harvard Business Review:
That was specifically about employees and bosses, but it's possible for parents/children, co-workers, teammates... any number of relationships. Even yourself!
add a comment |
up vote
-1
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up vote
-1
down vote
More of a phrase than an idiom, but...
set someone up to fail / set someone up for failure
From Wikipedia (I know, I know... but it's the best source I could find):
Setting up to fail is a well-established workplace bullying tactic.[6][7][8] One technique is to overload with work, while denying the victim the authority to handle it and over-interfering;[9] another is the withholding of the information necessary to succeed.[10]
If a person puts another individual (usually a subordinate) in a
stressful situation in which failure is almost certain, this may be an
aspect of bullying wherein the outcome can then be used to discredit
and blame the victim.[11] Sometimes, this may involve the bully
covertly sabotaging and undermining an objective that may have
otherwise been achievable. This type of bullying may be the result of
the projection of the bully's own feelings of inadequacy onto the
victim.[12]
There can be cases where an employee is set up to fail because the
stated goals of the task are considered harmful to the organization;
an internal investigation is one example. Institutions may protect
themselves by "going through the motions" of a sham investigation in
which the findings conveniently fail to find any evidence of
wrongdoing by the authorities involved with setting up the
investigation.
From the Harvard Business Review:
That was specifically about employees and bosses, but it's possible for parents/children, co-workers, teammates... any number of relationships. Even yourself!
More of a phrase than an idiom, but...
set someone up to fail / set someone up for failure
From Wikipedia (I know, I know... but it's the best source I could find):
Setting up to fail is a well-established workplace bullying tactic.[6][7][8] One technique is to overload with work, while denying the victim the authority to handle it and over-interfering;[9] another is the withholding of the information necessary to succeed.[10]
If a person puts another individual (usually a subordinate) in a
stressful situation in which failure is almost certain, this may be an
aspect of bullying wherein the outcome can then be used to discredit
and blame the victim.[11] Sometimes, this may involve the bully
covertly sabotaging and undermining an objective that may have
otherwise been achievable. This type of bullying may be the result of
the projection of the bully's own feelings of inadequacy onto the
victim.[12]
There can be cases where an employee is set up to fail because the
stated goals of the task are considered harmful to the organization;
an internal investigation is one example. Institutions may protect
themselves by "going through the motions" of a sham investigation in
which the findings conveniently fail to find any evidence of
wrongdoing by the authorities involved with setting up the
investigation.
From the Harvard Business Review:
That was specifically about employees and bosses, but it's possible for parents/children, co-workers, teammates... any number of relationships. Even yourself!
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If you're worried about alluding to suicide in your professional environment, you might also want to avoid taking this action in the first place. It's generally poor team play to enable a teammate in this way.
– Ian MacDonald
5 hours ago
1
Not regarded as morbid. Just a figure of speech. Cherish the English language for its colour, rather than strangling it with bland weasel words.
– David
5 hours ago
Paul, to what extent d'you see that as morbid? What measure would make the difference you ask about?
– Robbie Goodwin
4 hours ago
@David On what basis can you say it's not regarded as morbid? Using death by hanging as a metaphor for an unrelated situation very much suits the definition of the term. To want to avoid allusions to death by hanging in a formal business setting does not seem at all in opposition to "cherishing the English language's colour", since there are plenty of other colourful expressions which are not appropriate to all audiences.
– Paul Hendry
4 hours ago
1
@RobbieGoodwin Your rude tone is not helpful or welcome. Plenty of additional context has been provided, so if you remain fixated on a choice of word in the title, then your input is not relevant.
– Paul Hendry
2 hours ago