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I am french and attended a private university in France for my college education. I currently have a Masters in Computer Science from this university and also worked there for two years as an adjunct lecturer after my degree. I have an additional 5 years of experience in the Software Engineering industry.
Said university is called "Catholic University of {City}" and I fear that it may convey the wrong idea about the education I received and the kind of person I am if I put it as such on my resume.
Many private schools (from elementary school to college) in France are "catholic schools" though the education they provide is secular and they are attended by students from all range of beliefs.
In the past, classes in such schools may have been dispensed by nuns or vicars, but nowadays they only employ regular teachers and lecturers.
My university is under contract with the state (so are most of french private schools) and the content of the classes I attended for my degree were scrutinized and "vouched for" by a public university. The diploma I received bears mention of this public university though I never actually attended any classes there.
The university is well known in France and it will be understood by a french recruiter that graduating from a catholic school does not entail that I received a religious-oriented education or that I am myself a catholic/religious person.
But how should I put this on my resume if I am applying abroad to avoid such asumptions being made ?
Should I mark it down as being a graduate of "Public University of Y" seeing that they are the university mentioned on my degree even though I did not attend there ? Or am I just making a big deal out of this and people will most likely not care ?
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I am french and attended a private university in France for my college education. I currently have a Masters in Computer Science from this university and also worked there for two years as an adjunct lecturer after my degree. I have an additional 5 years of experience in the Software Engineering industry.
Said university is called "Catholic University of {City}" and I fear that it may convey the wrong idea about the education I received and the kind of person I am if I put it as such on my resume.
Many private schools (from elementary school to college) in France are "catholic schools" though the education they provide is secular and they are attended by students from all range of beliefs.
In the past, classes in such schools may have been dispensed by nuns or vicars, but nowadays they only employ regular teachers and lecturers.
My university is under contract with the state (so are most of french private schools) and the content of the classes I attended for my degree were scrutinized and "vouched for" by a public university. The diploma I received bears mention of this public university though I never actually attended any classes there.
The university is well known in France and it will be understood by a french recruiter that graduating from a catholic school does not entail that I received a religious-oriented education or that I am myself a catholic/religious person.
But how should I put this on my resume if I am applying abroad to avoid such asumptions being made ?
Should I mark it down as being a graduate of "Public University of Y" seeing that they are the university mentioned on my degree even though I did not attend there ? Or am I just making a big deal out of this and people will most likely not care ?
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Don't forget this is true the other way around as well: some religious schools don't have any "religious-sounding" words in their name. You can't really put any additional meaning into the name of a school other than as a semi-unique identifier.
– bta
12 hours ago
Heh; that's "catholic" with a small 'c', but it gets capitalized because it's part of a name, muddling it with "Catholic" with a capital 'C'.
– Pete Becker
11 hours ago
Which country's are you applying for here and if a country is that sectarian would you really want to move there.
– Neuromancer
6 hours ago
Interesting since (as I understand it from a USA ex-pat friend) France has "freedom from religion". According to him if you are wearing a cross on a necklace, you have to tuck it into your shirt before entering a government building so as not to offend people. He thought it was a good idea for the US.
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I am french and attended a private university in France for my college education. I currently have a Masters in Computer Science from this university and also worked there for two years as an adjunct lecturer after my degree. I have an additional 5 years of experience in the Software Engineering industry.
Said university is called "Catholic University of {City}" and I fear that it may convey the wrong idea about the education I received and the kind of person I am if I put it as such on my resume.
Many private schools (from elementary school to college) in France are "catholic schools" though the education they provide is secular and they are attended by students from all range of beliefs.
In the past, classes in such schools may have been dispensed by nuns or vicars, but nowadays they only employ regular teachers and lecturers.
My university is under contract with the state (so are most of french private schools) and the content of the classes I attended for my degree were scrutinized and "vouched for" by a public university. The diploma I received bears mention of this public university though I never actually attended any classes there.
The university is well known in France and it will be understood by a french recruiter that graduating from a catholic school does not entail that I received a religious-oriented education or that I am myself a catholic/religious person.
But how should I put this on my resume if I am applying abroad to avoid such asumptions being made ?
Should I mark it down as being a graduate of "Public University of Y" seeing that they are the university mentioned on my degree even though I did not attend there ? Or am I just making a big deal out of this and people will most likely not care ?
resume education france
I am french and attended a private university in France for my college education. I currently have a Masters in Computer Science from this university and also worked there for two years as an adjunct lecturer after my degree. I have an additional 5 years of experience in the Software Engineering industry.
Said university is called "Catholic University of {City}" and I fear that it may convey the wrong idea about the education I received and the kind of person I am if I put it as such on my resume.
Many private schools (from elementary school to college) in France are "catholic schools" though the education they provide is secular and they are attended by students from all range of beliefs.
In the past, classes in such schools may have been dispensed by nuns or vicars, but nowadays they only employ regular teachers and lecturers.
My university is under contract with the state (so are most of french private schools) and the content of the classes I attended for my degree were scrutinized and "vouched for" by a public university. The diploma I received bears mention of this public university though I never actually attended any classes there.
The university is well known in France and it will be understood by a french recruiter that graduating from a catholic school does not entail that I received a religious-oriented education or that I am myself a catholic/religious person.
But how should I put this on my resume if I am applying abroad to avoid such asumptions being made ?
Should I mark it down as being a graduate of "Public University of Y" seeing that they are the university mentioned on my degree even though I did not attend there ? Or am I just making a big deal out of this and people will most likely not care ?
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– Jane S♦
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Don't forget this is true the other way around as well: some religious schools don't have any "religious-sounding" words in their name. You can't really put any additional meaning into the name of a school other than as a semi-unique identifier.
– bta
12 hours ago
Heh; that's "catholic" with a small 'c', but it gets capitalized because it's part of a name, muddling it with "Catholic" with a capital 'C'.
– Pete Becker
11 hours ago
Which country's are you applying for here and if a country is that sectarian would you really want to move there.
– Neuromancer
6 hours ago
Interesting since (as I understand it from a USA ex-pat friend) France has "freedom from religion". According to him if you are wearing a cross on a necklace, you have to tuck it into your shirt before entering a government building so as not to offend people. He thought it was a good idea for the US.
– J. Chris Compton
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– Jane S♦
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Don't forget this is true the other way around as well: some religious schools don't have any "religious-sounding" words in their name. You can't really put any additional meaning into the name of a school other than as a semi-unique identifier.
– bta
12 hours ago
Heh; that's "catholic" with a small 'c', but it gets capitalized because it's part of a name, muddling it with "Catholic" with a capital 'C'.
– Pete Becker
11 hours ago
Which country's are you applying for here and if a country is that sectarian would you really want to move there.
– Neuromancer
6 hours ago
Interesting since (as I understand it from a USA ex-pat friend) France has "freedom from religion". According to him if you are wearing a cross on a necklace, you have to tuck it into your shirt before entering a government building so as not to offend people. He thought it was a good idea for the US.
– J. Chris Compton
5 hours ago
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– Jane S♦
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– Jane S♦
yesterday
Don't forget this is true the other way around as well: some religious schools don't have any "religious-sounding" words in their name. You can't really put any additional meaning into the name of a school other than as a semi-unique identifier.
– bta
12 hours ago
Don't forget this is true the other way around as well: some religious schools don't have any "religious-sounding" words in their name. You can't really put any additional meaning into the name of a school other than as a semi-unique identifier.
– bta
12 hours ago
Heh; that's "catholic" with a small 'c', but it gets capitalized because it's part of a name, muddling it with "Catholic" with a capital 'C'.
– Pete Becker
11 hours ago
Heh; that's "catholic" with a small 'c', but it gets capitalized because it's part of a name, muddling it with "Catholic" with a capital 'C'.
– Pete Becker
11 hours ago
Which country's are you applying for here and if a country is that sectarian would you really want to move there.
– Neuromancer
6 hours ago
Which country's are you applying for here and if a country is that sectarian would you really want to move there.
– Neuromancer
6 hours ago
Interesting since (as I understand it from a USA ex-pat friend) France has "freedom from religion". According to him if you are wearing a cross on a necklace, you have to tuck it into your shirt before entering a government building so as not to offend people. He thought it was a good idea for the US.
– J. Chris Compton
5 hours ago
Interesting since (as I understand it from a USA ex-pat friend) France has "freedom from religion". According to him if you are wearing a cross on a necklace, you have to tuck it into your shirt before entering a government building so as not to offend people. He thought it was a good idea for the US.
– J. Chris Compton
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It is a non-issue. In the US there is a major university in Washington DC called The Catholic University of America. I have known many graduates of the undergraduate, graduate, and Law programs of Catholic University. A student doesn't have to be a Catholic in order to attend. While there is a requirement for a small number of religion classes they don't have to be about being a Catholic.
There is always an issue when the University is not in the same country as the person reading the CV/Resume. The reviewer is most likely unfamiliar with all the universities in your country, but a quick google search should clear up any issues. I wouldn't try to disguise the Catholic part of the name, it would just make it harder to find the correct school to determine the quality of the University.
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The problem with trying to disguise the name of the college. is when it comes to a background check, you could easily fail if the information isn't 100% accurate.
– Ramhound
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I dunno about "major," I just heard of it reading this answer.
– Azor Ahai
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OK, so you've established that it wouldn't be an issue in the US. But the question says nothing about the US. (Thoguh I suspect that makes it too broad to answer.)
– David Richerby
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I would guess the OP isn't mainly afraid of being assumed to be a Catholic (which in itself shouldn't be any problem to a recruiter, unless the recruiter is a bigot), but of being assumed of having studied theology instead of computer science.
– Val
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I don't think many people would actually think that a Catholic university would grant degrees in Computer Science that didn't actually teach computer science. Prayer has not been demonstrated effective in computer programming to my knowledge.
– David Schwartz
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I graduated with a Bachelor's Degreee in Computer Science from a fairly well-known, very conservative Christian university in the United States. When I was looking for a job, I was concerned that potential employers would see what school I went to on my resume and reject me for not being a good fit for their company culture. (I am a conservative Christian myself, but I'm tolerant and respectful of others with different beliefs.) I decided to put my school's name in my resume anyway.
The only question I received in interviews about my school was why I went so far away from where I lived to get my university education. I replied, "My school had the best Computer Science program of all the Christian schools I knew of."
I ended up getting an excellent job at a company where I would say that pretty much everybody else has radically different views than I do, but it isn't a problem for them or for me because everyone is professional and respectful of each other.
Based on this experience, I would suggest that if an employer decides to overlook you for your school's religious affiliation (which I doubt would happen), you probably wouldn't be happy at that job anyway. Thankfully, there are places (hopefully most places) where people are professional and don't care what you do or don't believe as long as you have good qualifications and can deliver on what you say you can do.
Don't worry about the name or even if your University was a religious school. It's much more important to be honest and clear about your education than to be vague about it and raise concerns that you might be ashamed of your degree or think it's somehow inadequate. It's not.
Good luck on your job search!
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@user29441243 : it's not "overlook your school's religious affiliation", but "overlook you for your school's religious affiliation", so it's correct.
– Val
23 hours ago
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The situation is a bit different since you mentioned you chosen this school because it was Christian; which is absolutely the opposite of what OP is trying to convey.
– Antzi
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@Antzi it might be different but it still proves the point.
– isaace
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@GuyG, this may be a matter of opinion, but I don't think a workplace that discriminates on the basis of religion would be a great work environment for anyone regardless of whether they were religious or not.
– CullenJ
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@Antzi, I understand the OP's situation is different, but I believe this does answer the question. I think my personal experience is relevant to the situation as I had to think through the same question even if for different reasons.
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Firstly, unless you're applying for jobs in countries which are actively hostile to Christianity, I wouldn't worry. Many of the most prestigious universities across Europe have names which reveal their origin in the church. For example, the only Irish university which most people could name is Trinity College. The only Belgian university which I can name is the Catholic University of Leuven, which is regularly in the news for its research (and, relevant to our field, is the home of AES).
Secondly, if in spite of the reassurance of this and the earlier answers you still want to disguise the name, borrow from that last example and abbreviate. I normally see it written as KU Leuven. I presume that in your case that would be UC {City}.
Thirdly, it's safest to include the name that appears on your certificate. I've never had a company ask to see my degree certificate in the interview, but I was asked to bring it in when a company I was working for needed a CS graduate for legal reasons (technical responsibility for a CE mark), and it's preferable to avoid the stress of defending yourself from an accusation of deception.
This exact wording might need tweaking for accuracy, but I would put something like
Date to date: UC City (affiliated to UP City), BSc in Computer Science
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I'd expect and hope they won't concern themselves with that.
As a Canadian for example I'm (very) surprised that it's at all conventional to put "age", "marital status", and "photograph" (which includes e.g. skin colour) on a job application in France -- because (e.g. in North America) these are all "protected", i.e. topics that an employer mustn't (by law) discriminate against when hiring, and so these are data which HR doesn't want to be given.
"Religion" is another of these protected topics.
So I hope that any hints about whether you or your school were or weren't religious in some way would be deliberately and consciously overlooked (i.e. ignored), or (if not deliberately) just ignored as irrelevant to the job.
+1: In interview training, they were very explicit about this. We are not allowed to even ask for your religious beliefs, let alone consider them in a hiring decision. This was in the US, but I'd be very surprised if the laws differed substantially in any secular western democracy.
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You did a pretty good job of describing your course title and qualifications. I would structure your resume to play them up and make sure they are thing people see when looking at your education. I wouldn't make any attempt to hide the institutions name but I would give it less focus so that they think about the qualification first.
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If I understood your question properly:
MSC COMPUTER SCIENCE
Public University of Y, Catholic University of {City} Campus
or
Public University of Y, Catholic University of {City} College
depending on which is more accurate.
Your accrediation is through the public university, delivered through a historically Catholic campus/college.
You might reverse the names if one is more prestigious than the other.
Much higher education in the Western world grew out of religious instructional schools (often for priests), so colleges/campuses that carry the name of the old religious purpose of the school are common. If you are concerned that it will be overly weighted, including the "central authority" of your degree should make it clear that it wasn't a purely religious institution.
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It is a non-issue. In the US there is a major university in Washington DC called The Catholic University of America. I have known many graduates of the undergraduate, graduate, and Law programs of Catholic University. A student doesn't have to be a Catholic in order to attend. While there is a requirement for a small number of religion classes they don't have to be about being a Catholic.
There is always an issue when the University is not in the same country as the person reading the CV/Resume. The reviewer is most likely unfamiliar with all the universities in your country, but a quick google search should clear up any issues. I wouldn't try to disguise the Catholic part of the name, it would just make it harder to find the correct school to determine the quality of the University.
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The problem with trying to disguise the name of the college. is when it comes to a background check, you could easily fail if the information isn't 100% accurate.
– Ramhound
yesterday
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I dunno about "major," I just heard of it reading this answer.
– Azor Ahai
yesterday
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OK, so you've established that it wouldn't be an issue in the US. But the question says nothing about the US. (Thoguh I suspect that makes it too broad to answer.)
– David Richerby
yesterday
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I would guess the OP isn't mainly afraid of being assumed to be a Catholic (which in itself shouldn't be any problem to a recruiter, unless the recruiter is a bigot), but of being assumed of having studied theology instead of computer science.
– Val
23 hours ago
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I don't think many people would actually think that a Catholic university would grant degrees in Computer Science that didn't actually teach computer science. Prayer has not been demonstrated effective in computer programming to my knowledge.
– David Schwartz
21 hours ago
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It is a non-issue. In the US there is a major university in Washington DC called The Catholic University of America. I have known many graduates of the undergraduate, graduate, and Law programs of Catholic University. A student doesn't have to be a Catholic in order to attend. While there is a requirement for a small number of religion classes they don't have to be about being a Catholic.
There is always an issue when the University is not in the same country as the person reading the CV/Resume. The reviewer is most likely unfamiliar with all the universities in your country, but a quick google search should clear up any issues. I wouldn't try to disguise the Catholic part of the name, it would just make it harder to find the correct school to determine the quality of the University.
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The problem with trying to disguise the name of the college. is when it comes to a background check, you could easily fail if the information isn't 100% accurate.
– Ramhound
yesterday
30
I dunno about "major," I just heard of it reading this answer.
– Azor Ahai
yesterday
16
OK, so you've established that it wouldn't be an issue in the US. But the question says nothing about the US. (Thoguh I suspect that makes it too broad to answer.)
– David Richerby
yesterday
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I would guess the OP isn't mainly afraid of being assumed to be a Catholic (which in itself shouldn't be any problem to a recruiter, unless the recruiter is a bigot), but of being assumed of having studied theology instead of computer science.
– Val
23 hours ago
11
I don't think many people would actually think that a Catholic university would grant degrees in Computer Science that didn't actually teach computer science. Prayer has not been demonstrated effective in computer programming to my knowledge.
– David Schwartz
21 hours ago
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It is a non-issue. In the US there is a major university in Washington DC called The Catholic University of America. I have known many graduates of the undergraduate, graduate, and Law programs of Catholic University. A student doesn't have to be a Catholic in order to attend. While there is a requirement for a small number of religion classes they don't have to be about being a Catholic.
There is always an issue when the University is not in the same country as the person reading the CV/Resume. The reviewer is most likely unfamiliar with all the universities in your country, but a quick google search should clear up any issues. I wouldn't try to disguise the Catholic part of the name, it would just make it harder to find the correct school to determine the quality of the University.
It is a non-issue. In the US there is a major university in Washington DC called The Catholic University of America. I have known many graduates of the undergraduate, graduate, and Law programs of Catholic University. A student doesn't have to be a Catholic in order to attend. While there is a requirement for a small number of religion classes they don't have to be about being a Catholic.
There is always an issue when the University is not in the same country as the person reading the CV/Resume. The reviewer is most likely unfamiliar with all the universities in your country, but a quick google search should clear up any issues. I wouldn't try to disguise the Catholic part of the name, it would just make it harder to find the correct school to determine the quality of the University.
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The problem with trying to disguise the name of the college. is when it comes to a background check, you could easily fail if the information isn't 100% accurate.
– Ramhound
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I dunno about "major," I just heard of it reading this answer.
– Azor Ahai
yesterday
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OK, so you've established that it wouldn't be an issue in the US. But the question says nothing about the US. (Thoguh I suspect that makes it too broad to answer.)
– David Richerby
yesterday
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I would guess the OP isn't mainly afraid of being assumed to be a Catholic (which in itself shouldn't be any problem to a recruiter, unless the recruiter is a bigot), but of being assumed of having studied theology instead of computer science.
– Val
23 hours ago
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I don't think many people would actually think that a Catholic university would grant degrees in Computer Science that didn't actually teach computer science. Prayer has not been demonstrated effective in computer programming to my knowledge.
– David Schwartz
21 hours ago
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The problem with trying to disguise the name of the college. is when it comes to a background check, you could easily fail if the information isn't 100% accurate.
– Ramhound
yesterday
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I dunno about "major," I just heard of it reading this answer.
– Azor Ahai
yesterday
16
OK, so you've established that it wouldn't be an issue in the US. But the question says nothing about the US. (Thoguh I suspect that makes it too broad to answer.)
– David Richerby
yesterday
8
I would guess the OP isn't mainly afraid of being assumed to be a Catholic (which in itself shouldn't be any problem to a recruiter, unless the recruiter is a bigot), but of being assumed of having studied theology instead of computer science.
– Val
23 hours ago
11
I don't think many people would actually think that a Catholic university would grant degrees in Computer Science that didn't actually teach computer science. Prayer has not been demonstrated effective in computer programming to my knowledge.
– David Schwartz
21 hours ago
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The problem with trying to disguise the name of the college. is when it comes to a background check, you could easily fail if the information isn't 100% accurate.
– Ramhound
yesterday
The problem with trying to disguise the name of the college. is when it comes to a background check, you could easily fail if the information isn't 100% accurate.
– Ramhound
yesterday
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I dunno about "major," I just heard of it reading this answer.
– Azor Ahai
yesterday
I dunno about "major," I just heard of it reading this answer.
– Azor Ahai
yesterday
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OK, so you've established that it wouldn't be an issue in the US. But the question says nothing about the US. (Thoguh I suspect that makes it too broad to answer.)
– David Richerby
yesterday
OK, so you've established that it wouldn't be an issue in the US. But the question says nothing about the US. (Thoguh I suspect that makes it too broad to answer.)
– David Richerby
yesterday
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I would guess the OP isn't mainly afraid of being assumed to be a Catholic (which in itself shouldn't be any problem to a recruiter, unless the recruiter is a bigot), but of being assumed of having studied theology instead of computer science.
– Val
23 hours ago
I would guess the OP isn't mainly afraid of being assumed to be a Catholic (which in itself shouldn't be any problem to a recruiter, unless the recruiter is a bigot), but of being assumed of having studied theology instead of computer science.
– Val
23 hours ago
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I don't think many people would actually think that a Catholic university would grant degrees in Computer Science that didn't actually teach computer science. Prayer has not been demonstrated effective in computer programming to my knowledge.
– David Schwartz
21 hours ago
I don't think many people would actually think that a Catholic university would grant degrees in Computer Science that didn't actually teach computer science. Prayer has not been demonstrated effective in computer programming to my knowledge.
– David Schwartz
21 hours ago
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I graduated with a Bachelor's Degreee in Computer Science from a fairly well-known, very conservative Christian university in the United States. When I was looking for a job, I was concerned that potential employers would see what school I went to on my resume and reject me for not being a good fit for their company culture. (I am a conservative Christian myself, but I'm tolerant and respectful of others with different beliefs.) I decided to put my school's name in my resume anyway.
The only question I received in interviews about my school was why I went so far away from where I lived to get my university education. I replied, "My school had the best Computer Science program of all the Christian schools I knew of."
I ended up getting an excellent job at a company where I would say that pretty much everybody else has radically different views than I do, but it isn't a problem for them or for me because everyone is professional and respectful of each other.
Based on this experience, I would suggest that if an employer decides to overlook you for your school's religious affiliation (which I doubt would happen), you probably wouldn't be happy at that job anyway. Thankfully, there are places (hopefully most places) where people are professional and don't care what you do or don't believe as long as you have good qualifications and can deliver on what you say you can do.
Don't worry about the name or even if your University was a religious school. It's much more important to be honest and clear about your education than to be vague about it and raise concerns that you might be ashamed of your degree or think it's somehow inadequate. It's not.
Good luck on your job search!
2
@user29441243 : it's not "overlook your school's religious affiliation", but "overlook you for your school's religious affiliation", so it's correct.
– Val
23 hours ago
5
The situation is a bit different since you mentioned you chosen this school because it was Christian; which is absolutely the opposite of what OP is trying to convey.
– Antzi
21 hours ago
6
@Antzi it might be different but it still proves the point.
– isaace
13 hours ago
2
@GuyG, this may be a matter of opinion, but I don't think a workplace that discriminates on the basis of religion would be a great work environment for anyone regardless of whether they were religious or not.
– CullenJ
10 hours ago
3
@Antzi, I understand the OP's situation is different, but I believe this does answer the question. I think my personal experience is relevant to the situation as I had to think through the same question even if for different reasons.
– CullenJ
10 hours ago
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I graduated with a Bachelor's Degreee in Computer Science from a fairly well-known, very conservative Christian university in the United States. When I was looking for a job, I was concerned that potential employers would see what school I went to on my resume and reject me for not being a good fit for their company culture. (I am a conservative Christian myself, but I'm tolerant and respectful of others with different beliefs.) I decided to put my school's name in my resume anyway.
The only question I received in interviews about my school was why I went so far away from where I lived to get my university education. I replied, "My school had the best Computer Science program of all the Christian schools I knew of."
I ended up getting an excellent job at a company where I would say that pretty much everybody else has radically different views than I do, but it isn't a problem for them or for me because everyone is professional and respectful of each other.
Based on this experience, I would suggest that if an employer decides to overlook you for your school's religious affiliation (which I doubt would happen), you probably wouldn't be happy at that job anyway. Thankfully, there are places (hopefully most places) where people are professional and don't care what you do or don't believe as long as you have good qualifications and can deliver on what you say you can do.
Don't worry about the name or even if your University was a religious school. It's much more important to be honest and clear about your education than to be vague about it and raise concerns that you might be ashamed of your degree or think it's somehow inadequate. It's not.
Good luck on your job search!
2
@user29441243 : it's not "overlook your school's religious affiliation", but "overlook you for your school's religious affiliation", so it's correct.
– Val
23 hours ago
5
The situation is a bit different since you mentioned you chosen this school because it was Christian; which is absolutely the opposite of what OP is trying to convey.
– Antzi
21 hours ago
6
@Antzi it might be different but it still proves the point.
– isaace
13 hours ago
2
@GuyG, this may be a matter of opinion, but I don't think a workplace that discriminates on the basis of religion would be a great work environment for anyone regardless of whether they were religious or not.
– CullenJ
10 hours ago
3
@Antzi, I understand the OP's situation is different, but I believe this does answer the question. I think my personal experience is relevant to the situation as I had to think through the same question even if for different reasons.
– CullenJ
10 hours ago
|
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up vote
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up vote
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I graduated with a Bachelor's Degreee in Computer Science from a fairly well-known, very conservative Christian university in the United States. When I was looking for a job, I was concerned that potential employers would see what school I went to on my resume and reject me for not being a good fit for their company culture. (I am a conservative Christian myself, but I'm tolerant and respectful of others with different beliefs.) I decided to put my school's name in my resume anyway.
The only question I received in interviews about my school was why I went so far away from where I lived to get my university education. I replied, "My school had the best Computer Science program of all the Christian schools I knew of."
I ended up getting an excellent job at a company where I would say that pretty much everybody else has radically different views than I do, but it isn't a problem for them or for me because everyone is professional and respectful of each other.
Based on this experience, I would suggest that if an employer decides to overlook you for your school's religious affiliation (which I doubt would happen), you probably wouldn't be happy at that job anyway. Thankfully, there are places (hopefully most places) where people are professional and don't care what you do or don't believe as long as you have good qualifications and can deliver on what you say you can do.
Don't worry about the name or even if your University was a religious school. It's much more important to be honest and clear about your education than to be vague about it and raise concerns that you might be ashamed of your degree or think it's somehow inadequate. It's not.
Good luck on your job search!
I graduated with a Bachelor's Degreee in Computer Science from a fairly well-known, very conservative Christian university in the United States. When I was looking for a job, I was concerned that potential employers would see what school I went to on my resume and reject me for not being a good fit for their company culture. (I am a conservative Christian myself, but I'm tolerant and respectful of others with different beliefs.) I decided to put my school's name in my resume anyway.
The only question I received in interviews about my school was why I went so far away from where I lived to get my university education. I replied, "My school had the best Computer Science program of all the Christian schools I knew of."
I ended up getting an excellent job at a company where I would say that pretty much everybody else has radically different views than I do, but it isn't a problem for them or for me because everyone is professional and respectful of each other.
Based on this experience, I would suggest that if an employer decides to overlook you for your school's religious affiliation (which I doubt would happen), you probably wouldn't be happy at that job anyway. Thankfully, there are places (hopefully most places) where people are professional and don't care what you do or don't believe as long as you have good qualifications and can deliver on what you say you can do.
Don't worry about the name or even if your University was a religious school. It's much more important to be honest and clear about your education than to be vague about it and raise concerns that you might be ashamed of your degree or think it's somehow inadequate. It's not.
Good luck on your job search!
answered yesterday
CullenJ
38228
38228
2
@user29441243 : it's not "overlook your school's religious affiliation", but "overlook you for your school's religious affiliation", so it's correct.
– Val
23 hours ago
5
The situation is a bit different since you mentioned you chosen this school because it was Christian; which is absolutely the opposite of what OP is trying to convey.
– Antzi
21 hours ago
6
@Antzi it might be different but it still proves the point.
– isaace
13 hours ago
2
@GuyG, this may be a matter of opinion, but I don't think a workplace that discriminates on the basis of religion would be a great work environment for anyone regardless of whether they were religious or not.
– CullenJ
10 hours ago
3
@Antzi, I understand the OP's situation is different, but I believe this does answer the question. I think my personal experience is relevant to the situation as I had to think through the same question even if for different reasons.
– CullenJ
10 hours ago
|
show 3 more comments
2
@user29441243 : it's not "overlook your school's religious affiliation", but "overlook you for your school's religious affiliation", so it's correct.
– Val
23 hours ago
5
The situation is a bit different since you mentioned you chosen this school because it was Christian; which is absolutely the opposite of what OP is trying to convey.
– Antzi
21 hours ago
6
@Antzi it might be different but it still proves the point.
– isaace
13 hours ago
2
@GuyG, this may be a matter of opinion, but I don't think a workplace that discriminates on the basis of religion would be a great work environment for anyone regardless of whether they were religious or not.
– CullenJ
10 hours ago
3
@Antzi, I understand the OP's situation is different, but I believe this does answer the question. I think my personal experience is relevant to the situation as I had to think through the same question even if for different reasons.
– CullenJ
10 hours ago
2
2
@user29441243 : it's not "overlook your school's religious affiliation", but "overlook you for your school's religious affiliation", so it's correct.
– Val
23 hours ago
@user29441243 : it's not "overlook your school's religious affiliation", but "overlook you for your school's religious affiliation", so it's correct.
– Val
23 hours ago
5
5
The situation is a bit different since you mentioned you chosen this school because it was Christian; which is absolutely the opposite of what OP is trying to convey.
– Antzi
21 hours ago
The situation is a bit different since you mentioned you chosen this school because it was Christian; which is absolutely the opposite of what OP is trying to convey.
– Antzi
21 hours ago
6
6
@Antzi it might be different but it still proves the point.
– isaace
13 hours ago
@Antzi it might be different but it still proves the point.
– isaace
13 hours ago
2
2
@GuyG, this may be a matter of opinion, but I don't think a workplace that discriminates on the basis of religion would be a great work environment for anyone regardless of whether they were religious or not.
– CullenJ
10 hours ago
@GuyG, this may be a matter of opinion, but I don't think a workplace that discriminates on the basis of religion would be a great work environment for anyone regardless of whether they were religious or not.
– CullenJ
10 hours ago
3
3
@Antzi, I understand the OP's situation is different, but I believe this does answer the question. I think my personal experience is relevant to the situation as I had to think through the same question even if for different reasons.
– CullenJ
10 hours ago
@Antzi, I understand the OP's situation is different, but I believe this does answer the question. I think my personal experience is relevant to the situation as I had to think through the same question even if for different reasons.
– CullenJ
10 hours ago
|
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Firstly, unless you're applying for jobs in countries which are actively hostile to Christianity, I wouldn't worry. Many of the most prestigious universities across Europe have names which reveal their origin in the church. For example, the only Irish university which most people could name is Trinity College. The only Belgian university which I can name is the Catholic University of Leuven, which is regularly in the news for its research (and, relevant to our field, is the home of AES).
Secondly, if in spite of the reassurance of this and the earlier answers you still want to disguise the name, borrow from that last example and abbreviate. I normally see it written as KU Leuven. I presume that in your case that would be UC {City}.
Thirdly, it's safest to include the name that appears on your certificate. I've never had a company ask to see my degree certificate in the interview, but I was asked to bring it in when a company I was working for needed a CS graduate for legal reasons (technical responsibility for a CE mark), and it's preferable to avoid the stress of defending yourself from an accusation of deception.
This exact wording might need tweaking for accuracy, but I would put something like
Date to date: UC City (affiliated to UP City), BSc in Computer Science
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Firstly, unless you're applying for jobs in countries which are actively hostile to Christianity, I wouldn't worry. Many of the most prestigious universities across Europe have names which reveal their origin in the church. For example, the only Irish university which most people could name is Trinity College. The only Belgian university which I can name is the Catholic University of Leuven, which is regularly in the news for its research (and, relevant to our field, is the home of AES).
Secondly, if in spite of the reassurance of this and the earlier answers you still want to disguise the name, borrow from that last example and abbreviate. I normally see it written as KU Leuven. I presume that in your case that would be UC {City}.
Thirdly, it's safest to include the name that appears on your certificate. I've never had a company ask to see my degree certificate in the interview, but I was asked to bring it in when a company I was working for needed a CS graduate for legal reasons (technical responsibility for a CE mark), and it's preferable to avoid the stress of defending yourself from an accusation of deception.
This exact wording might need tweaking for accuracy, but I would put something like
Date to date: UC City (affiliated to UP City), BSc in Computer Science
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Firstly, unless you're applying for jobs in countries which are actively hostile to Christianity, I wouldn't worry. Many of the most prestigious universities across Europe have names which reveal their origin in the church. For example, the only Irish university which most people could name is Trinity College. The only Belgian university which I can name is the Catholic University of Leuven, which is regularly in the news for its research (and, relevant to our field, is the home of AES).
Secondly, if in spite of the reassurance of this and the earlier answers you still want to disguise the name, borrow from that last example and abbreviate. I normally see it written as KU Leuven. I presume that in your case that would be UC {City}.
Thirdly, it's safest to include the name that appears on your certificate. I've never had a company ask to see my degree certificate in the interview, but I was asked to bring it in when a company I was working for needed a CS graduate for legal reasons (technical responsibility for a CE mark), and it's preferable to avoid the stress of defending yourself from an accusation of deception.
This exact wording might need tweaking for accuracy, but I would put something like
Date to date: UC City (affiliated to UP City), BSc in Computer Science
Firstly, unless you're applying for jobs in countries which are actively hostile to Christianity, I wouldn't worry. Many of the most prestigious universities across Europe have names which reveal their origin in the church. For example, the only Irish university which most people could name is Trinity College. The only Belgian university which I can name is the Catholic University of Leuven, which is regularly in the news for its research (and, relevant to our field, is the home of AES).
Secondly, if in spite of the reassurance of this and the earlier answers you still want to disguise the name, borrow from that last example and abbreviate. I normally see it written as KU Leuven. I presume that in your case that would be UC {City}.
Thirdly, it's safest to include the name that appears on your certificate. I've never had a company ask to see my degree certificate in the interview, but I was asked to bring it in when a company I was working for needed a CS graduate for legal reasons (technical responsibility for a CE mark), and it's preferable to avoid the stress of defending yourself from an accusation of deception.
This exact wording might need tweaking for accuracy, but I would put something like
Date to date: UC City (affiliated to UP City), BSc in Computer Science
answered 20 hours ago
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I'd expect and hope they won't concern themselves with that.
As a Canadian for example I'm (very) surprised that it's at all conventional to put "age", "marital status", and "photograph" (which includes e.g. skin colour) on a job application in France -- because (e.g. in North America) these are all "protected", i.e. topics that an employer mustn't (by law) discriminate against when hiring, and so these are data which HR doesn't want to be given.
"Religion" is another of these protected topics.
So I hope that any hints about whether you or your school were or weren't religious in some way would be deliberately and consciously overlooked (i.e. ignored), or (if not deliberately) just ignored as irrelevant to the job.
+1: In interview training, they were very explicit about this. We are not allowed to even ask for your religious beliefs, let alone consider them in a hiring decision. This was in the US, but I'd be very surprised if the laws differed substantially in any secular western democracy.
– Kevin
11 hours ago
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I'd expect and hope they won't concern themselves with that.
As a Canadian for example I'm (very) surprised that it's at all conventional to put "age", "marital status", and "photograph" (which includes e.g. skin colour) on a job application in France -- because (e.g. in North America) these are all "protected", i.e. topics that an employer mustn't (by law) discriminate against when hiring, and so these are data which HR doesn't want to be given.
"Religion" is another of these protected topics.
So I hope that any hints about whether you or your school were or weren't religious in some way would be deliberately and consciously overlooked (i.e. ignored), or (if not deliberately) just ignored as irrelevant to the job.
+1: In interview training, they were very explicit about this. We are not allowed to even ask for your religious beliefs, let alone consider them in a hiring decision. This was in the US, but I'd be very surprised if the laws differed substantially in any secular western democracy.
– Kevin
11 hours ago
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I'd expect and hope they won't concern themselves with that.
As a Canadian for example I'm (very) surprised that it's at all conventional to put "age", "marital status", and "photograph" (which includes e.g. skin colour) on a job application in France -- because (e.g. in North America) these are all "protected", i.e. topics that an employer mustn't (by law) discriminate against when hiring, and so these are data which HR doesn't want to be given.
"Religion" is another of these protected topics.
So I hope that any hints about whether you or your school were or weren't religious in some way would be deliberately and consciously overlooked (i.e. ignored), or (if not deliberately) just ignored as irrelevant to the job.
I'd expect and hope they won't concern themselves with that.
As a Canadian for example I'm (very) surprised that it's at all conventional to put "age", "marital status", and "photograph" (which includes e.g. skin colour) on a job application in France -- because (e.g. in North America) these are all "protected", i.e. topics that an employer mustn't (by law) discriminate against when hiring, and so these are data which HR doesn't want to be given.
"Religion" is another of these protected topics.
So I hope that any hints about whether you or your school were or weren't religious in some way would be deliberately and consciously overlooked (i.e. ignored), or (if not deliberately) just ignored as irrelevant to the job.
answered 15 hours ago
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+1: In interview training, they were very explicit about this. We are not allowed to even ask for your religious beliefs, let alone consider them in a hiring decision. This was in the US, but I'd be very surprised if the laws differed substantially in any secular western democracy.
– Kevin
11 hours ago
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+1: In interview training, they were very explicit about this. We are not allowed to even ask for your religious beliefs, let alone consider them in a hiring decision. This was in the US, but I'd be very surprised if the laws differed substantially in any secular western democracy.
– Kevin
11 hours ago
+1: In interview training, they were very explicit about this. We are not allowed to even ask for your religious beliefs, let alone consider them in a hiring decision. This was in the US, but I'd be very surprised if the laws differed substantially in any secular western democracy.
– Kevin
11 hours ago
+1: In interview training, they were very explicit about this. We are not allowed to even ask for your religious beliefs, let alone consider them in a hiring decision. This was in the US, but I'd be very surprised if the laws differed substantially in any secular western democracy.
– Kevin
11 hours ago
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You did a pretty good job of describing your course title and qualifications. I would structure your resume to play them up and make sure they are thing people see when looking at your education. I wouldn't make any attempt to hide the institutions name but I would give it less focus so that they think about the qualification first.
MSC COMPUTER SCIENCE
catholic university of somewhere
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eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad
minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut
aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in
reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla
pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in
culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum
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You did a pretty good job of describing your course title and qualifications. I would structure your resume to play them up and make sure they are thing people see when looking at your education. I wouldn't make any attempt to hide the institutions name but I would give it less focus so that they think about the qualification first.
MSC COMPUTER SCIENCE
catholic university of somewhere
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do
eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad
minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut
aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in
reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla
pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in
culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum
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You did a pretty good job of describing your course title and qualifications. I would structure your resume to play them up and make sure they are thing people see when looking at your education. I wouldn't make any attempt to hide the institutions name but I would give it less focus so that they think about the qualification first.
MSC COMPUTER SCIENCE
catholic university of somewhere
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do
eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad
minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut
aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in
reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla
pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in
culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum
You did a pretty good job of describing your course title and qualifications. I would structure your resume to play them up and make sure they are thing people see when looking at your education. I wouldn't make any attempt to hide the institutions name but I would give it less focus so that they think about the qualification first.
MSC COMPUTER SCIENCE
catholic university of somewhere
Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do
eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad
minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut
aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in
reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla
pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in
culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum
answered 12 hours ago
Keith Loughnane
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If I understood your question properly:
MSC COMPUTER SCIENCE
Public University of Y, Catholic University of {City} Campus
or
Public University of Y, Catholic University of {City} College
depending on which is more accurate.
Your accrediation is through the public university, delivered through a historically Catholic campus/college.
You might reverse the names if one is more prestigious than the other.
Much higher education in the Western world grew out of religious instructional schools (often for priests), so colleges/campuses that carry the name of the old religious purpose of the school are common. If you are concerned that it will be overly weighted, including the "central authority" of your degree should make it clear that it wasn't a purely religious institution.
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If I understood your question properly:
MSC COMPUTER SCIENCE
Public University of Y, Catholic University of {City} Campus
or
Public University of Y, Catholic University of {City} College
depending on which is more accurate.
Your accrediation is through the public university, delivered through a historically Catholic campus/college.
You might reverse the names if one is more prestigious than the other.
Much higher education in the Western world grew out of religious instructional schools (often for priests), so colleges/campuses that carry the name of the old religious purpose of the school are common. If you are concerned that it will be overly weighted, including the "central authority" of your degree should make it clear that it wasn't a purely religious institution.
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If I understood your question properly:
MSC COMPUTER SCIENCE
Public University of Y, Catholic University of {City} Campus
or
Public University of Y, Catholic University of {City} College
depending on which is more accurate.
Your accrediation is through the public university, delivered through a historically Catholic campus/college.
You might reverse the names if one is more prestigious than the other.
Much higher education in the Western world grew out of religious instructional schools (often for priests), so colleges/campuses that carry the name of the old religious purpose of the school are common. If you are concerned that it will be overly weighted, including the "central authority" of your degree should make it clear that it wasn't a purely religious institution.
If I understood your question properly:
MSC COMPUTER SCIENCE
Public University of Y, Catholic University of {City} Campus
or
Public University of Y, Catholic University of {City} College
depending on which is more accurate.
Your accrediation is through the public university, delivered through a historically Catholic campus/college.
You might reverse the names if one is more prestigious than the other.
Much higher education in the Western world grew out of religious instructional schools (often for priests), so colleges/campuses that carry the name of the old religious purpose of the school are common. If you are concerned that it will be overly weighted, including the "central authority" of your degree should make it clear that it wasn't a purely religious institution.
answered 8 hours ago
Yakk
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Don't forget this is true the other way around as well: some religious schools don't have any "religious-sounding" words in their name. You can't really put any additional meaning into the name of a school other than as a semi-unique identifier.
– bta
12 hours ago
Heh; that's "catholic" with a small 'c', but it gets capitalized because it's part of a name, muddling it with "Catholic" with a capital 'C'.
– Pete Becker
11 hours ago
Which country's are you applying for here and if a country is that sectarian would you really want to move there.
– Neuromancer
6 hours ago
Interesting since (as I understand it from a USA ex-pat friend) France has "freedom from religion". According to him if you are wearing a cross on a necklace, you have to tuck it into your shirt before entering a government building so as not to offend people. He thought it was a good idea for the US.
– J. Chris Compton
5 hours ago