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As we know, researchers without university affiliations who need IRB approval for human subjects research can obtain approval from an independent IRB.



What defines the legitimacy of an independent IRB? Logically, a university IRB derives an aura of legitimacy from the accreditation that its university carries, but how does an independent IRB differentiate itself from a "fake" independent IRB?



In other words, if I wanted to start my own Independent IRB and start approving research projects for independent researchers, nonprofits, and industry groups, what exactly would I need to do to become "legit"? Alternatively, what stops random people from starting up a "predatory" IRB that exists to rubber-stamp any old unethical garbage research in exchange for large cash payments?




  • Is the legitimacy of a self-claimed Independent IRB defined by the soundness of its ethical judgments? E.g. if you make good judgments, approve ethical research, don't approve anything unethical, etc., everything is golden. If you accidentally approve bad things, you lose face and become seen as "fake".

  • Is the legitimacy defined in terms of inputs? e.g. if you have enough advanced degree holders, persons who have passed certain research ethics exams, etc., you are legit, else you are not.

  • Is there some formal accreditation process that wannabe independent IRB's must go through? In other words, if you have the formal accreditation certificate, you are legit, else you are not.

  • Is there no "gold standard" in legitimacy, and funding sources, journals, etc. all make their own independent determinations as to which IRBs to recognize? E.g. perhaps someone's research results turn out to be groundbreaking, but they can only publish in a third-rate journal because they used a small, discount IRB not recognized by most high-impact journals.


Alternatively, what stops the following from being heard more often?




I got all this research approved by Uncle Bill's Discount Cigar and Research Ethics Adviseorium on Maple Avenue, behind the bowling alley next to the pawn shop, what do you mean they are not legit?




Considering that I have not heard much (actually, nothing at all) regarding allegations of "fake" or "predatory" independent IRB's bilking naive independent researchers in exchange for worthless rubber-stamps, I am led to believe that either there is little money in independent IRB activities (e.g. low profit margins, very high overhead costs) to attract predators, or that there is already an onerous approval process that "fake" or less-competent wannabe reviewers cannot pass.










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    This might of interest. There appears to be some kind of accreditation system that IRBs can go through.
    – Anyon
    9 hours ago










  • @Anyon thanks. That link does mention that "A significant percentage of independent IRBs are accredited", implying that non-accredited independent IRBs are actually a thing. So are these unaccredited IRB's still "legit" in some way, really able to approve at least some types of research and gain some level of recognition for said approval, or are they ethically no better than getting your research approved by a bunch of random people you met at the bar the other day?
    – Robert Columbia
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  • @RobertColumbia - my suspicion would be that the 'unaccredited' IRBs are in the process of being accredited. For the researcher, the career risk to going through a 'cut rate' IRB is pretty significant.
    – Jon Custer
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    Super interesting question!
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    @RobertColumbia That sounds like we should start an accreditation agency first ...
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As we know, researchers without university affiliations who need IRB approval for human subjects research can obtain approval from an independent IRB.



What defines the legitimacy of an independent IRB? Logically, a university IRB derives an aura of legitimacy from the accreditation that its university carries, but how does an independent IRB differentiate itself from a "fake" independent IRB?



In other words, if I wanted to start my own Independent IRB and start approving research projects for independent researchers, nonprofits, and industry groups, what exactly would I need to do to become "legit"? Alternatively, what stops random people from starting up a "predatory" IRB that exists to rubber-stamp any old unethical garbage research in exchange for large cash payments?




  • Is the legitimacy of a self-claimed Independent IRB defined by the soundness of its ethical judgments? E.g. if you make good judgments, approve ethical research, don't approve anything unethical, etc., everything is golden. If you accidentally approve bad things, you lose face and become seen as "fake".

  • Is the legitimacy defined in terms of inputs? e.g. if you have enough advanced degree holders, persons who have passed certain research ethics exams, etc., you are legit, else you are not.

  • Is there some formal accreditation process that wannabe independent IRB's must go through? In other words, if you have the formal accreditation certificate, you are legit, else you are not.

  • Is there no "gold standard" in legitimacy, and funding sources, journals, etc. all make their own independent determinations as to which IRBs to recognize? E.g. perhaps someone's research results turn out to be groundbreaking, but they can only publish in a third-rate journal because they used a small, discount IRB not recognized by most high-impact journals.


Alternatively, what stops the following from being heard more often?




I got all this research approved by Uncle Bill's Discount Cigar and Research Ethics Adviseorium on Maple Avenue, behind the bowling alley next to the pawn shop, what do you mean they are not legit?




Considering that I have not heard much (actually, nothing at all) regarding allegations of "fake" or "predatory" independent IRB's bilking naive independent researchers in exchange for worthless rubber-stamps, I am led to believe that either there is little money in independent IRB activities (e.g. low profit margins, very high overhead costs) to attract predators, or that there is already an onerous approval process that "fake" or less-competent wannabe reviewers cannot pass.










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    This might of interest. There appears to be some kind of accreditation system that IRBs can go through.
    – Anyon
    9 hours ago










  • @Anyon thanks. That link does mention that "A significant percentage of independent IRBs are accredited", implying that non-accredited independent IRBs are actually a thing. So are these unaccredited IRB's still "legit" in some way, really able to approve at least some types of research and gain some level of recognition for said approval, or are they ethically no better than getting your research approved by a bunch of random people you met at the bar the other day?
    – Robert Columbia
    9 hours ago












  • @RobertColumbia - my suspicion would be that the 'unaccredited' IRBs are in the process of being accredited. For the researcher, the career risk to going through a 'cut rate' IRB is pretty significant.
    – Jon Custer
    9 hours ago






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    Super interesting question!
    – xLeitix
    9 hours ago






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    @RobertColumbia That sounds like we should start an accreditation agency first ...
    – Uwe
    9 hours ago













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As we know, researchers without university affiliations who need IRB approval for human subjects research can obtain approval from an independent IRB.



What defines the legitimacy of an independent IRB? Logically, a university IRB derives an aura of legitimacy from the accreditation that its university carries, but how does an independent IRB differentiate itself from a "fake" independent IRB?



In other words, if I wanted to start my own Independent IRB and start approving research projects for independent researchers, nonprofits, and industry groups, what exactly would I need to do to become "legit"? Alternatively, what stops random people from starting up a "predatory" IRB that exists to rubber-stamp any old unethical garbage research in exchange for large cash payments?




  • Is the legitimacy of a self-claimed Independent IRB defined by the soundness of its ethical judgments? E.g. if you make good judgments, approve ethical research, don't approve anything unethical, etc., everything is golden. If you accidentally approve bad things, you lose face and become seen as "fake".

  • Is the legitimacy defined in terms of inputs? e.g. if you have enough advanced degree holders, persons who have passed certain research ethics exams, etc., you are legit, else you are not.

  • Is there some formal accreditation process that wannabe independent IRB's must go through? In other words, if you have the formal accreditation certificate, you are legit, else you are not.

  • Is there no "gold standard" in legitimacy, and funding sources, journals, etc. all make their own independent determinations as to which IRBs to recognize? E.g. perhaps someone's research results turn out to be groundbreaking, but they can only publish in a third-rate journal because they used a small, discount IRB not recognized by most high-impact journals.


Alternatively, what stops the following from being heard more often?




I got all this research approved by Uncle Bill's Discount Cigar and Research Ethics Adviseorium on Maple Avenue, behind the bowling alley next to the pawn shop, what do you mean they are not legit?




Considering that I have not heard much (actually, nothing at all) regarding allegations of "fake" or "predatory" independent IRB's bilking naive independent researchers in exchange for worthless rubber-stamps, I am led to believe that either there is little money in independent IRB activities (e.g. low profit margins, very high overhead costs) to attract predators, or that there is already an onerous approval process that "fake" or less-competent wannabe reviewers cannot pass.










share|improve this question















As we know, researchers without university affiliations who need IRB approval for human subjects research can obtain approval from an independent IRB.



What defines the legitimacy of an independent IRB? Logically, a university IRB derives an aura of legitimacy from the accreditation that its university carries, but how does an independent IRB differentiate itself from a "fake" independent IRB?



In other words, if I wanted to start my own Independent IRB and start approving research projects for independent researchers, nonprofits, and industry groups, what exactly would I need to do to become "legit"? Alternatively, what stops random people from starting up a "predatory" IRB that exists to rubber-stamp any old unethical garbage research in exchange for large cash payments?




  • Is the legitimacy of a self-claimed Independent IRB defined by the soundness of its ethical judgments? E.g. if you make good judgments, approve ethical research, don't approve anything unethical, etc., everything is golden. If you accidentally approve bad things, you lose face and become seen as "fake".

  • Is the legitimacy defined in terms of inputs? e.g. if you have enough advanced degree holders, persons who have passed certain research ethics exams, etc., you are legit, else you are not.

  • Is there some formal accreditation process that wannabe independent IRB's must go through? In other words, if you have the formal accreditation certificate, you are legit, else you are not.

  • Is there no "gold standard" in legitimacy, and funding sources, journals, etc. all make their own independent determinations as to which IRBs to recognize? E.g. perhaps someone's research results turn out to be groundbreaking, but they can only publish in a third-rate journal because they used a small, discount IRB not recognized by most high-impact journals.


Alternatively, what stops the following from being heard more often?




I got all this research approved by Uncle Bill's Discount Cigar and Research Ethics Adviseorium on Maple Avenue, behind the bowling alley next to the pawn shop, what do you mean they are not legit?




Considering that I have not heard much (actually, nothing at all) regarding allegations of "fake" or "predatory" independent IRB's bilking naive independent researchers in exchange for worthless rubber-stamps, I am led to believe that either there is little money in independent IRB activities (e.g. low profit margins, very high overhead costs) to attract predators, or that there is already an onerous approval process that "fake" or less-competent wannabe reviewers cannot pass.







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    This might of interest. There appears to be some kind of accreditation system that IRBs can go through.
    – Anyon
    9 hours ago










  • @Anyon thanks. That link does mention that "A significant percentage of independent IRBs are accredited", implying that non-accredited independent IRBs are actually a thing. So are these unaccredited IRB's still "legit" in some way, really able to approve at least some types of research and gain some level of recognition for said approval, or are they ethically no better than getting your research approved by a bunch of random people you met at the bar the other day?
    – Robert Columbia
    9 hours ago












  • @RobertColumbia - my suspicion would be that the 'unaccredited' IRBs are in the process of being accredited. For the researcher, the career risk to going through a 'cut rate' IRB is pretty significant.
    – Jon Custer
    9 hours ago






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    Super interesting question!
    – xLeitix
    9 hours ago






  • 1




    @RobertColumbia That sounds like we should start an accreditation agency first ...
    – Uwe
    9 hours ago














  • 1




    This might of interest. There appears to be some kind of accreditation system that IRBs can go through.
    – Anyon
    9 hours ago










  • @Anyon thanks. That link does mention that "A significant percentage of independent IRBs are accredited", implying that non-accredited independent IRBs are actually a thing. So are these unaccredited IRB's still "legit" in some way, really able to approve at least some types of research and gain some level of recognition for said approval, or are they ethically no better than getting your research approved by a bunch of random people you met at the bar the other day?
    – Robert Columbia
    9 hours ago












  • @RobertColumbia - my suspicion would be that the 'unaccredited' IRBs are in the process of being accredited. For the researcher, the career risk to going through a 'cut rate' IRB is pretty significant.
    – Jon Custer
    9 hours ago






  • 1




    Super interesting question!
    – xLeitix
    9 hours ago






  • 1




    @RobertColumbia That sounds like we should start an accreditation agency first ...
    – Uwe
    9 hours ago








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This might of interest. There appears to be some kind of accreditation system that IRBs can go through.
– Anyon
9 hours ago




This might of interest. There appears to be some kind of accreditation system that IRBs can go through.
– Anyon
9 hours ago












@Anyon thanks. That link does mention that "A significant percentage of independent IRBs are accredited", implying that non-accredited independent IRBs are actually a thing. So are these unaccredited IRB's still "legit" in some way, really able to approve at least some types of research and gain some level of recognition for said approval, or are they ethically no better than getting your research approved by a bunch of random people you met at the bar the other day?
– Robert Columbia
9 hours ago






@Anyon thanks. That link does mention that "A significant percentage of independent IRBs are accredited", implying that non-accredited independent IRBs are actually a thing. So are these unaccredited IRB's still "legit" in some way, really able to approve at least some types of research and gain some level of recognition for said approval, or are they ethically no better than getting your research approved by a bunch of random people you met at the bar the other day?
– Robert Columbia
9 hours ago














@RobertColumbia - my suspicion would be that the 'unaccredited' IRBs are in the process of being accredited. For the researcher, the career risk to going through a 'cut rate' IRB is pretty significant.
– Jon Custer
9 hours ago




@RobertColumbia - my suspicion would be that the 'unaccredited' IRBs are in the process of being accredited. For the researcher, the career risk to going through a 'cut rate' IRB is pretty significant.
– Jon Custer
9 hours ago




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Super interesting question!
– xLeitix
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Super interesting question!
– xLeitix
9 hours ago




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@RobertColumbia That sounds like we should start an accreditation agency first ...
– Uwe
9 hours ago




@RobertColumbia That sounds like we should start an accreditation agency first ...
– Uwe
9 hours ago










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In the United States, this is governed by Title 45, Part 46.




  • Paragraph 101 states that this applies to all research funded by or "subject to regulation" by the US Government

  • The same paragraph also states that an Agency Head may determine that a foreign IRB system is equivalent and may be substituted


The key requirements for US IRBs are:




  • Subpart A, Paragraph 107: IRBs must have at least 5 members with varying backgrounds (as enumerated)

  • Subpart A, Paragraph 108: IRBs must have sufficient meeting space, staff, written procedures for its deliberations, decisions, and adverse incidents

  • Subpart A, Paragraph 115: IRBs must keep detailed records for three years (as described)

  • Subpart E: IRBs must be registered with HHS (Office for Human Research Protections and/or Federal Drug Agency).


Most of the other subsections detail the basic rules that IRBs must enforce (e.g., involving fetuses, prisoners).



From what I can tell (and I am no expert), the only barrier to people using Uncle Bill's Cigar Shop IRB is that if a subject is harmed by an IRB-approved protocol, Uncle Bill is going to get sued. Uncle Bill may also have legal problems with the Government if they fail to follow the federal regulations governing IRBs (i.e., if they approve something that is clearly not permitted under CFR).






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    This is a great answer, thought someone could also answer from a non-US perspective. For example, if I am a small pharmaceutical firm in the Czech Republic and find myself in need of an independent ethics review, would I be expected to use a US-accredited IRB like firms based in the US or is there a separate EU-based accreditation system? Would I be required to use an EU IRB, or could I choose (for whatever reason) to choose a US-accredited IRB?
    – Robert Columbia
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  • Thanks, updated my answer to partially address these questions (top two bullets); sadly, I know very little about research outside the US, will leave that for another answerer.
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In the United States, this is governed by Title 45, Part 46.




  • Paragraph 101 states that this applies to all research funded by or "subject to regulation" by the US Government

  • The same paragraph also states that an Agency Head may determine that a foreign IRB system is equivalent and may be substituted


The key requirements for US IRBs are:




  • Subpart A, Paragraph 107: IRBs must have at least 5 members with varying backgrounds (as enumerated)

  • Subpart A, Paragraph 108: IRBs must have sufficient meeting space, staff, written procedures for its deliberations, decisions, and adverse incidents

  • Subpart A, Paragraph 115: IRBs must keep detailed records for three years (as described)

  • Subpart E: IRBs must be registered with HHS (Office for Human Research Protections and/or Federal Drug Agency).


Most of the other subsections detail the basic rules that IRBs must enforce (e.g., involving fetuses, prisoners).



From what I can tell (and I am no expert), the only barrier to people using Uncle Bill's Cigar Shop IRB is that if a subject is harmed by an IRB-approved protocol, Uncle Bill is going to get sued. Uncle Bill may also have legal problems with the Government if they fail to follow the federal regulations governing IRBs (i.e., if they approve something that is clearly not permitted under CFR).






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    This is a great answer, thought someone could also answer from a non-US perspective. For example, if I am a small pharmaceutical firm in the Czech Republic and find myself in need of an independent ethics review, would I be expected to use a US-accredited IRB like firms based in the US or is there a separate EU-based accreditation system? Would I be required to use an EU IRB, or could I choose (for whatever reason) to choose a US-accredited IRB?
    – Robert Columbia
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  • Thanks, updated my answer to partially address these questions (top two bullets); sadly, I know very little about research outside the US, will leave that for another answerer.
    – cag51
    6 hours ago















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In the United States, this is governed by Title 45, Part 46.




  • Paragraph 101 states that this applies to all research funded by or "subject to regulation" by the US Government

  • The same paragraph also states that an Agency Head may determine that a foreign IRB system is equivalent and may be substituted


The key requirements for US IRBs are:




  • Subpart A, Paragraph 107: IRBs must have at least 5 members with varying backgrounds (as enumerated)

  • Subpart A, Paragraph 108: IRBs must have sufficient meeting space, staff, written procedures for its deliberations, decisions, and adverse incidents

  • Subpart A, Paragraph 115: IRBs must keep detailed records for three years (as described)

  • Subpart E: IRBs must be registered with HHS (Office for Human Research Protections and/or Federal Drug Agency).


Most of the other subsections detail the basic rules that IRBs must enforce (e.g., involving fetuses, prisoners).



From what I can tell (and I am no expert), the only barrier to people using Uncle Bill's Cigar Shop IRB is that if a subject is harmed by an IRB-approved protocol, Uncle Bill is going to get sued. Uncle Bill may also have legal problems with the Government if they fail to follow the federal regulations governing IRBs (i.e., if they approve something that is clearly not permitted under CFR).






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  • 1




    This is a great answer, thought someone could also answer from a non-US perspective. For example, if I am a small pharmaceutical firm in the Czech Republic and find myself in need of an independent ethics review, would I be expected to use a US-accredited IRB like firms based in the US or is there a separate EU-based accreditation system? Would I be required to use an EU IRB, or could I choose (for whatever reason) to choose a US-accredited IRB?
    – Robert Columbia
    7 hours ago












  • Thanks, updated my answer to partially address these questions (top two bullets); sadly, I know very little about research outside the US, will leave that for another answerer.
    – cag51
    6 hours ago













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In the United States, this is governed by Title 45, Part 46.




  • Paragraph 101 states that this applies to all research funded by or "subject to regulation" by the US Government

  • The same paragraph also states that an Agency Head may determine that a foreign IRB system is equivalent and may be substituted


The key requirements for US IRBs are:




  • Subpart A, Paragraph 107: IRBs must have at least 5 members with varying backgrounds (as enumerated)

  • Subpart A, Paragraph 108: IRBs must have sufficient meeting space, staff, written procedures for its deliberations, decisions, and adverse incidents

  • Subpart A, Paragraph 115: IRBs must keep detailed records for three years (as described)

  • Subpart E: IRBs must be registered with HHS (Office for Human Research Protections and/or Federal Drug Agency).


Most of the other subsections detail the basic rules that IRBs must enforce (e.g., involving fetuses, prisoners).



From what I can tell (and I am no expert), the only barrier to people using Uncle Bill's Cigar Shop IRB is that if a subject is harmed by an IRB-approved protocol, Uncle Bill is going to get sued. Uncle Bill may also have legal problems with the Government if they fail to follow the federal regulations governing IRBs (i.e., if they approve something that is clearly not permitted under CFR).






share|improve this answer














In the United States, this is governed by Title 45, Part 46.




  • Paragraph 101 states that this applies to all research funded by or "subject to regulation" by the US Government

  • The same paragraph also states that an Agency Head may determine that a foreign IRB system is equivalent and may be substituted


The key requirements for US IRBs are:




  • Subpart A, Paragraph 107: IRBs must have at least 5 members with varying backgrounds (as enumerated)

  • Subpart A, Paragraph 108: IRBs must have sufficient meeting space, staff, written procedures for its deliberations, decisions, and adverse incidents

  • Subpart A, Paragraph 115: IRBs must keep detailed records for three years (as described)

  • Subpart E: IRBs must be registered with HHS (Office for Human Research Protections and/or Federal Drug Agency).


Most of the other subsections detail the basic rules that IRBs must enforce (e.g., involving fetuses, prisoners).



From what I can tell (and I am no expert), the only barrier to people using Uncle Bill's Cigar Shop IRB is that if a subject is harmed by an IRB-approved protocol, Uncle Bill is going to get sued. Uncle Bill may also have legal problems with the Government if they fail to follow the federal regulations governing IRBs (i.e., if they approve something that is clearly not permitted under CFR).







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  • 1




    This is a great answer, thought someone could also answer from a non-US perspective. For example, if I am a small pharmaceutical firm in the Czech Republic and find myself in need of an independent ethics review, would I be expected to use a US-accredited IRB like firms based in the US or is there a separate EU-based accreditation system? Would I be required to use an EU IRB, or could I choose (for whatever reason) to choose a US-accredited IRB?
    – Robert Columbia
    7 hours ago












  • Thanks, updated my answer to partially address these questions (top two bullets); sadly, I know very little about research outside the US, will leave that for another answerer.
    – cag51
    6 hours ago














  • 1




    This is a great answer, thought someone could also answer from a non-US perspective. For example, if I am a small pharmaceutical firm in the Czech Republic and find myself in need of an independent ethics review, would I be expected to use a US-accredited IRB like firms based in the US or is there a separate EU-based accreditation system? Would I be required to use an EU IRB, or could I choose (for whatever reason) to choose a US-accredited IRB?
    – Robert Columbia
    7 hours ago












  • Thanks, updated my answer to partially address these questions (top two bullets); sadly, I know very little about research outside the US, will leave that for another answerer.
    – cag51
    6 hours ago








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This is a great answer, thought someone could also answer from a non-US perspective. For example, if I am a small pharmaceutical firm in the Czech Republic and find myself in need of an independent ethics review, would I be expected to use a US-accredited IRB like firms based in the US or is there a separate EU-based accreditation system? Would I be required to use an EU IRB, or could I choose (for whatever reason) to choose a US-accredited IRB?
– Robert Columbia
7 hours ago






This is a great answer, thought someone could also answer from a non-US perspective. For example, if I am a small pharmaceutical firm in the Czech Republic and find myself in need of an independent ethics review, would I be expected to use a US-accredited IRB like firms based in the US or is there a separate EU-based accreditation system? Would I be required to use an EU IRB, or could I choose (for whatever reason) to choose a US-accredited IRB?
– Robert Columbia
7 hours ago














Thanks, updated my answer to partially address these questions (top two bullets); sadly, I know very little about research outside the US, will leave that for another answerer.
– cag51
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Thanks, updated my answer to partially address these questions (top two bullets); sadly, I know very little about research outside the US, will leave that for another answerer.
– cag51
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