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For the past few years in Italian supermarkets, we have all sorts of "healthy" and "organic" alternatives to dairy milk for vegans and for consumers who are lactose intolerant. For example; soy milk (latte di soia), rice milk (latte di riso), hazelnut, coconut, or almond milk (latte di mandorla), and oat milk (latte di avena).



I know this trend of plant-based milks sold commercially is hardly recent in the US or in the UK, but in Italian supermarkets, these substitutes for cow milk, are not called latte (milk) in Italian and neither when the package is written in English, and I wonder why. I am specifically speaking about the product sold in supermarkets.





“latte di coccco” (coconut milk) and “latte di mandorla” are both described as bevanda (drink). And when the packet is written in English, the term “milk” is avoided, an organic rice milk is called bio drink rice natural. Note also the wording on the packet Granarolo (a leading Italian dairy company), it simply says RISO, the term bevanda is not even used.



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Compare with the situation in the US, where the product carries the term “almond milk”



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and in Australia where the term “oat milk” is clearly displayed.



In the US there appears to be some debate over the definition of “milk”




Scott Gottlieb, the commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration, […] speaking at a policy summit in Washington, D.C., suggested that no product that doesn’t come from a lactating animal should be allowed to call itself milk. “An almond doesn’t lactate, I must confess”…



The War on Soy Milk, The New Republic





  • Is it technically correct to call a beverage “milk” if it is obtained by mixing the strained pulp of almonds, hazelnuts, oats, etc. with water?



In the Middle Ages, almond milk was known in both the Islamic world and Christendom. As a nut (the "fruit of a plant"), it is suitable for consumption during Lent. (Wikipedia)





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    I think you should correct your point about usage of “latte” for nondairy products in Italy. The fact that the term latte (milk) was removed from bottles etc for almond, soy, rice and other products is a question of regulations, but nobody would call “latte di mandorla” apart from the legislator, as “bevanda alla mandorla”, “Latte” for these products is widely and commonly used.
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    What do you mean by "technically correct"? The word "milk", by consensus of usage, has many meanings, not all of which refer to the lactatory secretions of mammals. Since English is defined purely by usage, isn't that the end of it, as a question about English?
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For the past few years in Italian supermarkets, we have all sorts of "healthy" and "organic" alternatives to dairy milk for vegans and for consumers who are lactose intolerant. For example; soy milk (latte di soia), rice milk (latte di riso), hazelnut, coconut, or almond milk (latte di mandorla), and oat milk (latte di avena).



I know this trend of plant-based milks sold commercially is hardly recent in the US or in the UK, but in Italian supermarkets, these substitutes for cow milk, are not called latte (milk) in Italian and neither when the package is written in English, and I wonder why. I am specifically speaking about the product sold in supermarkets.





“latte di coccco” (coconut milk) and “latte di mandorla” are both described as bevanda (drink). And when the packet is written in English, the term “milk” is avoided, an organic rice milk is called bio drink rice natural. Note also the wording on the packet Granarolo (a leading Italian dairy company), it simply says RISO, the term bevanda is not even used.



enter image description hereclick the image above to see the larger version



Compare with the situation in the US, where the product carries the term “almond milk”



enter image description hereenter image description here



and in Australia where the term “oat milk” is clearly displayed.



In the US there appears to be some debate over the definition of “milk”




Scott Gottlieb, the commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration, […] speaking at a policy summit in Washington, D.C., suggested that no product that doesn’t come from a lactating animal should be allowed to call itself milk. “An almond doesn’t lactate, I must confess”…



The War on Soy Milk, The New Republic





  • Is it technically correct to call a beverage “milk” if it is obtained by mixing the strained pulp of almonds, hazelnuts, oats, etc. with water?



In the Middle Ages, almond milk was known in both the Islamic world and Christendom. As a nut (the "fruit of a plant"), it is suitable for consumption during Lent. (Wikipedia)





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    I think you should correct your point about usage of “latte” for nondairy products in Italy. The fact that the term latte (milk) was removed from bottles etc for almond, soy, rice and other products is a question of regulations, but nobody would call “latte di mandorla” apart from the legislator, as “bevanda alla mandorla”, “Latte” for these products is widely and commonly used.
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    What do you mean by "technically correct"? The word "milk", by consensus of usage, has many meanings, not all of which refer to the lactatory secretions of mammals. Since English is defined purely by usage, isn't that the end of it, as a question about English?
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For the past few years in Italian supermarkets, we have all sorts of "healthy" and "organic" alternatives to dairy milk for vegans and for consumers who are lactose intolerant. For example; soy milk (latte di soia), rice milk (latte di riso), hazelnut, coconut, or almond milk (latte di mandorla), and oat milk (latte di avena).



I know this trend of plant-based milks sold commercially is hardly recent in the US or in the UK, but in Italian supermarkets, these substitutes for cow milk, are not called latte (milk) in Italian and neither when the package is written in English, and I wonder why. I am specifically speaking about the product sold in supermarkets.





“latte di coccco” (coconut milk) and “latte di mandorla” are both described as bevanda (drink). And when the packet is written in English, the term “milk” is avoided, an organic rice milk is called bio drink rice natural. Note also the wording on the packet Granarolo (a leading Italian dairy company), it simply says RISO, the term bevanda is not even used.



enter image description hereclick the image above to see the larger version



Compare with the situation in the US, where the product carries the term “almond milk”



enter image description hereenter image description here



and in Australia where the term “oat milk” is clearly displayed.



In the US there appears to be some debate over the definition of “milk”




Scott Gottlieb, the commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration, […] speaking at a policy summit in Washington, D.C., suggested that no product that doesn’t come from a lactating animal should be allowed to call itself milk. “An almond doesn’t lactate, I must confess”…



The War on Soy Milk, The New Republic





  • Is it technically correct to call a beverage “milk” if it is obtained by mixing the strained pulp of almonds, hazelnuts, oats, etc. with water?



In the Middle Ages, almond milk was known in both the Islamic world and Christendom. As a nut (the "fruit of a plant"), it is suitable for consumption during Lent. (Wikipedia)





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For the past few years in Italian supermarkets, we have all sorts of "healthy" and "organic" alternatives to dairy milk for vegans and for consumers who are lactose intolerant. For example; soy milk (latte di soia), rice milk (latte di riso), hazelnut, coconut, or almond milk (latte di mandorla), and oat milk (latte di avena).



I know this trend of plant-based milks sold commercially is hardly recent in the US or in the UK, but in Italian supermarkets, these substitutes for cow milk, are not called latte (milk) in Italian and neither when the package is written in English, and I wonder why. I am specifically speaking about the product sold in supermarkets.





“latte di coccco” (coconut milk) and “latte di mandorla” are both described as bevanda (drink). And when the packet is written in English, the term “milk” is avoided, an organic rice milk is called bio drink rice natural. Note also the wording on the packet Granarolo (a leading Italian dairy company), it simply says RISO, the term bevanda is not even used.



enter image description hereclick the image above to see the larger version



Compare with the situation in the US, where the product carries the term “almond milk”



enter image description hereenter image description here



and in Australia where the term “oat milk” is clearly displayed.



In the US there appears to be some debate over the definition of “milk”




Scott Gottlieb, the commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration, […] speaking at a policy summit in Washington, D.C., suggested that no product that doesn’t come from a lactating animal should be allowed to call itself milk. “An almond doesn’t lactate, I must confess”…



The War on Soy Milk, The New Republic





  • Is it technically correct to call a beverage “milk” if it is obtained by mixing the strained pulp of almonds, hazelnuts, oats, etc. with water?



In the Middle Ages, almond milk was known in both the Islamic world and Christendom. As a nut (the "fruit of a plant"), it is suitable for consumption during Lent. (Wikipedia)





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    I think you should correct your point about usage of “latte” for nondairy products in Italy. The fact that the term latte (milk) was removed from bottles etc for almond, soy, rice and other products is a question of regulations, but nobody would call “latte di mandorla” apart from the legislator, as “bevanda alla mandorla”, “Latte” for these products is widely and commonly used.
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    What do you mean by "technically correct"? The word "milk", by consensus of usage, has many meanings, not all of which refer to the lactatory secretions of mammals. Since English is defined purely by usage, isn't that the end of it, as a question about English?
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    What do you mean by "technically correct"? The word "milk", by consensus of usage, has many meanings, not all of which refer to the lactatory secretions of mammals. Since English is defined purely by usage, isn't that the end of it, as a question about English?
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I think you should correct your point about usage of “latte” for nondairy products in Italy. The fact that the term latte (milk) was removed from bottles etc for almond, soy, rice and other products is a question of regulations, but nobody would call “latte di mandorla” apart from the legislator, as “bevanda alla mandorla”, “Latte” for these products is widely and commonly used.
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I think you should correct your point about usage of “latte” for nondairy products in Italy. The fact that the term latte (milk) was removed from bottles etc for almond, soy, rice and other products is a question of regulations, but nobody would call “latte di mandorla” apart from the legislator, as “bevanda alla mandorla”, “Latte” for these products is widely and commonly used.
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What do you mean by "technically correct"? The word "milk", by consensus of usage, has many meanings, not all of which refer to the lactatory secretions of mammals. Since English is defined purely by usage, isn't that the end of it, as a question about English?
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What do you mean by "technically correct"? The word "milk", by consensus of usage, has many meanings, not all of which refer to the lactatory secretions of mammals. Since English is defined purely by usage, isn't that the end of it, as a question about English?
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English speakers have been calling white liquids “milk” since Old English. But please don’t drink spurge milk (i.e. its white, latex-like sap), since it’s poisonous:




Wið weartan genim þysse ylcan wyrte [sc. spurge's] meolc & clufþungan wos, do to þære weartan. 

Pseudo-Apuleius' Herbarium




“With warts, take the wort (spurge’s) milk & clove-tongues ooze, apply to the warts”



Another pretty old use of the word refers to milk of fish (now called milt). You can eat this, but it’s fish semen:




When þe femele [fish] leggeþ eyren oþer pisen, þe male cometh aftir and shedith his mylke vpon þe eyren and al..þat ben y-touched wiþ þe mylk of þe male shal be ffysshe.

(a1398) Trev.Barth.




From about the same time we start seeing the types of milks you mention in the question:




Cawdel of Almand mylk. Take Almandes blanched and drawe hem up with wyne, [etc.].

(a1399) Form Cury




For more examples refer to the MED.





Another thing worth mentioning is the Milky Way, which was named after its milk-like appearance. You should not attempt to drink the Milky Way though. The expressions “milky circle” and “galaxy” are older (Bartholomaeus Anglicus' De Proprietatibus Rerum (translation), 1398) but ultimately those expressions were said in Greek or Latin well before the English:




  • Hellenistic Greek γαλαξίας (“galaxy”)

  • Ancient Greek γάλα “gála” meaning milk, milky sap, or the Milky Way

  • Classical Latin lactea via (milky way)

  • Cicero lacteus orbis (milky circle)

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    "please don’t drink spurge milk" - nor milkweed sap: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asclepias. But if you are a Monarch butterfly, it's OK :)
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    Almond milk being mentioned in 1399 is rather amazing.
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    I wonder if it's also related that you milk a snake of their venom. Perhaps one part of milk is that it has to be extracted from the thing that grew it, rather than including all white liquids?
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As @WhatRoughBeast's answer alludes to, this a food labelling regulation issue not a linguistic one. In English it's completely correct to call nut milks "milk". Whether a jurisdiction allows you to sell them as "milk" is an entirely different matter.






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  • Food labeling is about language, if someone is saying that "almond milk" (etc.) cannot be called milk, that is precisely because someone is querying the definition of the word, its meaning, and the positive connotations that is associated with the term "milk". It is political and linguistic; why is that an entirely different matter? The issue revolves around language.
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    @mari-loua I disagree that it's much about language, what is legally allowed in food labeling and the way the general population uses words to describe things is not necessarily consistent.
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    @BryanKrause That may in part depend on how far back in time we go. This metaphorical application of the word milk for the liquids from grinding/pulping various nuts/beans has been used in most European languages: German (mandorlmilch), French (lait d’amande), Italian (latte di mandorle)... . Is it “technically correct” to call any of the products milk? No. But nobody who calls something “almond milk” is suggesting it is produced from the mammary gland of any mammal, and nobody who knows the language is likely to misunderstand this metaphorical usage.
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    @Mari-LouA The reason word restrictions exist are that the language would otherwise allow such usage. You don't need a law saying not to call fish "beef," just an accuracy in labeling law. In the case of milk, it is generally the cow milk industry that is trying to reduce competition by lobbying to get non-dairy (or even non-bovine) milks not labeled as such. There's no debate about the meaning in language, but an attempt to change the existing meaning.
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As I understand it, you just need to look at its colour to see why it is called ‘milk’. In the case of almond, the ‘butter’ extracted by grinding the the nut, even when mixed with water, had a milky colour and texture. The liquid from ground soy is so because the beans are not processed till they have a mature ‘beige’ colour and so are again a sort of milky white (unlike soy sauce, where the beans have been dried and the liquid is dark brown.



Coconut ‘water’, as we might drink it straight from the nut, is much clearer. In fact, from my youth I called it ‘coconut milk’. I am grateful to @Chronocidal for correcting my lifelong error. The commercial ‘milk’ comes from the grinding of the white flesh.






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  • Is it technically correct to call these beverages “milk”? I understand that the plant-based drinks are white in colour... but why is it illegal (on packets) to call it milk? I'm guessing there are some laws prohibiting this description.
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    Yeah - I think it's definitely gotta be white (or at least, whitish), to be called milk. @Mari-LouA - "Illegal?" - is that some kind of EU directive? Are they gonna arrest kids who ask to have the milk from the Christmas coconut?
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    @Mari-LouA, what exactly do you mean by 'technically' here? If you are asking whether it is illegal in a particular jurisdiction (and if so, why), then the question seems to have more to do with the law and the politics of agriculture and consumer protection in that jurisdiction, than with English (or Italian) language.
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    @Tuffy I’m no expert, but I don’t think soy beans are dried to make soy sauce. They’re generally soaked and cooked, then mixed with wheat and some type of fermenting agent, then mixed into brine and left to ferment (this is the stage that gives the brown colour), then strained and pasteurised.
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    If you are drinking straight from a Coconut, you are drinking Coconut water. You have to grate the pulp to release the oily and fattier Coconut milk
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In the US, it is technically illegal to call plant-based products "milk", "cheese", etc per old FDA regulations. However, the distinction has never been enforced to any degree. Within the last 6 months the FDA has undertaken to understand how people use and perceive terms like milk, in order to determine how to handle the issue. This article is worth reading. While the cases are presumably small in number, soy-based "milk" has apparently resulted in cases of rickets due to Vitamin D deficiency, and rice-based "milk" lacks protein, resulting in Kwashiorkor in infants. Presumably the parents thought they were doing the right thing in avoiding animal products, without realizing that the milk alternatives they were buying did not have the nutritional qualities of the original.






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    I see "NOT FOR USE AS INFANT FORMULA" printed in red on the side of cartons of soy and almond milk purchased in California. The linked article appears to cite sources from the dairy industry.
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Almond Breeze contains only 2% Almonds, it is mostly water, sugar, carrageenan and sunflower lecithin.



I don't think it should be called milk. Milk Substitute would be a better description.






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English speakers have been calling white liquids “milk” since Old English. But please don’t drink spurge milk (i.e. its white, latex-like sap), since it’s poisonous:




Wið weartan genim þysse ylcan wyrte [sc. spurge's] meolc & clufþungan wos, do to þære weartan. 

Pseudo-Apuleius' Herbarium




“With warts, take the wort (spurge’s) milk & clove-tongues ooze, apply to the warts”



Another pretty old use of the word refers to milk of fish (now called milt). You can eat this, but it’s fish semen:




When þe femele [fish] leggeþ eyren oþer pisen, þe male cometh aftir and shedith his mylke vpon þe eyren and al..þat ben y-touched wiþ þe mylk of þe male shal be ffysshe.

(a1398) Trev.Barth.




From about the same time we start seeing the types of milks you mention in the question:




Cawdel of Almand mylk. Take Almandes blanched and drawe hem up with wyne, [etc.].

(a1399) Form Cury




For more examples refer to the MED.





Another thing worth mentioning is the Milky Way, which was named after its milk-like appearance. You should not attempt to drink the Milky Way though. The expressions “milky circle” and “galaxy” are older (Bartholomaeus Anglicus' De Proprietatibus Rerum (translation), 1398) but ultimately those expressions were said in Greek or Latin well before the English:




  • Hellenistic Greek γαλαξίας (“galaxy”)

  • Ancient Greek γάλα “gála” meaning milk, milky sap, or the Milky Way

  • Classical Latin lactea via (milky way)

  • Cicero lacteus orbis (milky circle)

  • Pliny lacteus circulus (milky circle)






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    "please don’t drink spurge milk" - nor milkweed sap: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asclepias. But if you are a Monarch butterfly, it's OK :)
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    I wonder if it's also related that you milk a snake of their venom. Perhaps one part of milk is that it has to be extracted from the thing that grew it, rather than including all white liquids?
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    @Mari-LouA I’m pretty sure the lowest form of humor is puns. Especially my puns. It would be punsishment were I to break out the puns.
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English speakers have been calling white liquids “milk” since Old English. But please don’t drink spurge milk (i.e. its white, latex-like sap), since it’s poisonous:




Wið weartan genim þysse ylcan wyrte [sc. spurge's] meolc & clufþungan wos, do to þære weartan. 

Pseudo-Apuleius' Herbarium




“With warts, take the wort (spurge’s) milk & clove-tongues ooze, apply to the warts”



Another pretty old use of the word refers to milk of fish (now called milt). You can eat this, but it’s fish semen:




When þe femele [fish] leggeþ eyren oþer pisen, þe male cometh aftir and shedith his mylke vpon þe eyren and al..þat ben y-touched wiþ þe mylk of þe male shal be ffysshe.

(a1398) Trev.Barth.




From about the same time we start seeing the types of milks you mention in the question:




Cawdel of Almand mylk. Take Almandes blanched and drawe hem up with wyne, [etc.].

(a1399) Form Cury




For more examples refer to the MED.





Another thing worth mentioning is the Milky Way, which was named after its milk-like appearance. You should not attempt to drink the Milky Way though. The expressions “milky circle” and “galaxy” are older (Bartholomaeus Anglicus' De Proprietatibus Rerum (translation), 1398) but ultimately those expressions were said in Greek or Latin well before the English:




  • Hellenistic Greek γαλαξίας (“galaxy”)

  • Ancient Greek γάλα “gála” meaning milk, milky sap, or the Milky Way

  • Classical Latin lactea via (milky way)

  • Cicero lacteus orbis (milky circle)

  • Pliny lacteus circulus (milky circle)






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    "please don’t drink spurge milk" - nor milkweed sap: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asclepias. But if you are a Monarch butterfly, it's OK :)
    – alephzero
    2 days ago






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    Almond milk being mentioned in 1399 is rather amazing.
    – Andrew Grimm
    2 days ago






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    I wonder if it's also related that you milk a snake of their venom. Perhaps one part of milk is that it has to be extracted from the thing that grew it, rather than including all white liquids?
    – Mooing Duck
    2 days ago






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    @Mari-LouA I’m pretty sure the lowest form of humor is puns. Especially my puns. It would be punsishment were I to break out the puns.
    – Laurel
    2 days ago














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English speakers have been calling white liquids “milk” since Old English. But please don’t drink spurge milk (i.e. its white, latex-like sap), since it’s poisonous:




Wið weartan genim þysse ylcan wyrte [sc. spurge's] meolc & clufþungan wos, do to þære weartan. 

Pseudo-Apuleius' Herbarium




“With warts, take the wort (spurge’s) milk & clove-tongues ooze, apply to the warts”



Another pretty old use of the word refers to milk of fish (now called milt). You can eat this, but it’s fish semen:




When þe femele [fish] leggeþ eyren oþer pisen, þe male cometh aftir and shedith his mylke vpon þe eyren and al..þat ben y-touched wiþ þe mylk of þe male shal be ffysshe.

(a1398) Trev.Barth.




From about the same time we start seeing the types of milks you mention in the question:




Cawdel of Almand mylk. Take Almandes blanched and drawe hem up with wyne, [etc.].

(a1399) Form Cury




For more examples refer to the MED.





Another thing worth mentioning is the Milky Way, which was named after its milk-like appearance. You should not attempt to drink the Milky Way though. The expressions “milky circle” and “galaxy” are older (Bartholomaeus Anglicus' De Proprietatibus Rerum (translation), 1398) but ultimately those expressions were said in Greek or Latin well before the English:




  • Hellenistic Greek γαλαξίας (“galaxy”)

  • Ancient Greek γάλα “gála” meaning milk, milky sap, or the Milky Way

  • Classical Latin lactea via (milky way)

  • Cicero lacteus orbis (milky circle)

  • Pliny lacteus circulus (milky circle)






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English speakers have been calling white liquids “milk” since Old English. But please don’t drink spurge milk (i.e. its white, latex-like sap), since it’s poisonous:




Wið weartan genim þysse ylcan wyrte [sc. spurge's] meolc & clufþungan wos, do to þære weartan. 

Pseudo-Apuleius' Herbarium




“With warts, take the wort (spurge’s) milk & clove-tongues ooze, apply to the warts”



Another pretty old use of the word refers to milk of fish (now called milt). You can eat this, but it’s fish semen:




When þe femele [fish] leggeþ eyren oþer pisen, þe male cometh aftir and shedith his mylke vpon þe eyren and al..þat ben y-touched wiþ þe mylk of þe male shal be ffysshe.

(a1398) Trev.Barth.




From about the same time we start seeing the types of milks you mention in the question:




Cawdel of Almand mylk. Take Almandes blanched and drawe hem up with wyne, [etc.].

(a1399) Form Cury




For more examples refer to the MED.





Another thing worth mentioning is the Milky Way, which was named after its milk-like appearance. You should not attempt to drink the Milky Way though. The expressions “milky circle” and “galaxy” are older (Bartholomaeus Anglicus' De Proprietatibus Rerum (translation), 1398) but ultimately those expressions were said in Greek or Latin well before the English:




  • Hellenistic Greek γαλαξίας (“galaxy”)

  • Ancient Greek γάλα “gála” meaning milk, milky sap, or the Milky Way

  • Classical Latin lactea via (milky way)

  • Cicero lacteus orbis (milky circle)

  • Pliny lacteus circulus (milky circle)







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    Awesome! So awesome. Also I’m impressed I’m able to read, with relatively strong confidence, something written in the English of 600 years ago.
    – Dan Bron
    2 days ago






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    "please don’t drink spurge milk" - nor milkweed sap: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asclepias. But if you are a Monarch butterfly, it's OK :)
    – alephzero
    2 days ago






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    Almond milk being mentioned in 1399 is rather amazing.
    – Andrew Grimm
    2 days ago






  • 2




    I wonder if it's also related that you milk a snake of their venom. Perhaps one part of milk is that it has to be extracted from the thing that grew it, rather than including all white liquids?
    – Mooing Duck
    2 days ago






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    @Mari-LouA I’m pretty sure the lowest form of humor is puns. Especially my puns. It would be punsishment were I to break out the puns.
    – Laurel
    2 days ago














  • 5




    Awesome! So awesome. Also I’m impressed I’m able to read, with relatively strong confidence, something written in the English of 600 years ago.
    – Dan Bron
    2 days ago






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    "please don’t drink spurge milk" - nor milkweed sap: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asclepias. But if you are a Monarch butterfly, it's OK :)
    – alephzero
    2 days ago






  • 5




    Almond milk being mentioned in 1399 is rather amazing.
    – Andrew Grimm
    2 days ago






  • 2




    I wonder if it's also related that you milk a snake of their venom. Perhaps one part of milk is that it has to be extracted from the thing that grew it, rather than including all white liquids?
    – Mooing Duck
    2 days ago






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    @Mari-LouA I’m pretty sure the lowest form of humor is puns. Especially my puns. It would be punsishment were I to break out the puns.
    – Laurel
    2 days ago








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Awesome! So awesome. Also I’m impressed I’m able to read, with relatively strong confidence, something written in the English of 600 years ago.
– Dan Bron
2 days ago




Awesome! So awesome. Also I’m impressed I’m able to read, with relatively strong confidence, something written in the English of 600 years ago.
– Dan Bron
2 days ago




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"please don’t drink spurge milk" - nor milkweed sap: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asclepias. But if you are a Monarch butterfly, it's OK :)
– alephzero
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"please don’t drink spurge milk" - nor milkweed sap: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asclepias. But if you are a Monarch butterfly, it's OK :)
– alephzero
2 days ago




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Almond milk being mentioned in 1399 is rather amazing.
– Andrew Grimm
2 days ago




Almond milk being mentioned in 1399 is rather amazing.
– Andrew Grimm
2 days ago




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I wonder if it's also related that you milk a snake of their venom. Perhaps one part of milk is that it has to be extracted from the thing that grew it, rather than including all white liquids?
– Mooing Duck
2 days ago




I wonder if it's also related that you milk a snake of their venom. Perhaps one part of milk is that it has to be extracted from the thing that grew it, rather than including all white liquids?
– Mooing Duck
2 days ago




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@Mari-LouA I’m pretty sure the lowest form of humor is puns. Especially my puns. It would be punsishment were I to break out the puns.
– Laurel
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@Mari-LouA I’m pretty sure the lowest form of humor is puns. Especially my puns. It would be punsishment were I to break out the puns.
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As @WhatRoughBeast's answer alludes to, this a food labelling regulation issue not a linguistic one. In English it's completely correct to call nut milks "milk". Whether a jurisdiction allows you to sell them as "milk" is an entirely different matter.






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  • Food labeling is about language, if someone is saying that "almond milk" (etc.) cannot be called milk, that is precisely because someone is querying the definition of the word, its meaning, and the positive connotations that is associated with the term "milk". It is political and linguistic; why is that an entirely different matter? The issue revolves around language.
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    @mari-loua I disagree that it's much about language, what is legally allowed in food labeling and the way the general population uses words to describe things is not necessarily consistent.
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    @BryanKrause That may in part depend on how far back in time we go. This metaphorical application of the word milk for the liquids from grinding/pulping various nuts/beans has been used in most European languages: German (mandorlmilch), French (lait d’amande), Italian (latte di mandorle)... . Is it “technically correct” to call any of the products milk? No. But nobody who calls something “almond milk” is suggesting it is produced from the mammary gland of any mammal, and nobody who knows the language is likely to misunderstand this metaphorical usage.
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    @Mari-LouA The reason word restrictions exist are that the language would otherwise allow such usage. You don't need a law saying not to call fish "beef," just an accuracy in labeling law. In the case of milk, it is generally the cow milk industry that is trying to reduce competition by lobbying to get non-dairy (or even non-bovine) milks not labeled as such. There's no debate about the meaning in language, but an attempt to change the existing meaning.
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    An accuracy in labelling law doesn't solve the problem, it just moves it: the question then becomes "is it accurate to label coconut milk as milk?"
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As @WhatRoughBeast's answer alludes to, this a food labelling regulation issue not a linguistic one. In English it's completely correct to call nut milks "milk". Whether a jurisdiction allows you to sell them as "milk" is an entirely different matter.






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  • Food labeling is about language, if someone is saying that "almond milk" (etc.) cannot be called milk, that is precisely because someone is querying the definition of the word, its meaning, and the positive connotations that is associated with the term "milk". It is political and linguistic; why is that an entirely different matter? The issue revolves around language.
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    @mari-loua I disagree that it's much about language, what is legally allowed in food labeling and the way the general population uses words to describe things is not necessarily consistent.
    – Bryan Krause
    2 days ago






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    @BryanKrause That may in part depend on how far back in time we go. This metaphorical application of the word milk for the liquids from grinding/pulping various nuts/beans has been used in most European languages: German (mandorlmilch), French (lait d’amande), Italian (latte di mandorle)... . Is it “technically correct” to call any of the products milk? No. But nobody who calls something “almond milk” is suggesting it is produced from the mammary gland of any mammal, and nobody who knows the language is likely to misunderstand this metaphorical usage.
    – Tuffy
    yesterday






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    @Mari-LouA The reason word restrictions exist are that the language would otherwise allow such usage. You don't need a law saying not to call fish "beef," just an accuracy in labeling law. In the case of milk, it is generally the cow milk industry that is trying to reduce competition by lobbying to get non-dairy (or even non-bovine) milks not labeled as such. There's no debate about the meaning in language, but an attempt to change the existing meaning.
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As @WhatRoughBeast's answer alludes to, this a food labelling regulation issue not a linguistic one. In English it's completely correct to call nut milks "milk". Whether a jurisdiction allows you to sell them as "milk" is an entirely different matter.






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As @WhatRoughBeast's answer alludes to, this a food labelling regulation issue not a linguistic one. In English it's completely correct to call nut milks "milk". Whether a jurisdiction allows you to sell them as "milk" is an entirely different matter.







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  • Food labeling is about language, if someone is saying that "almond milk" (etc.) cannot be called milk, that is precisely because someone is querying the definition of the word, its meaning, and the positive connotations that is associated with the term "milk". It is political and linguistic; why is that an entirely different matter? The issue revolves around language.
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    @mari-loua I disagree that it's much about language, what is legally allowed in food labeling and the way the general population uses words to describe things is not necessarily consistent.
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    2 days ago






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    @BryanKrause That may in part depend on how far back in time we go. This metaphorical application of the word milk for the liquids from grinding/pulping various nuts/beans has been used in most European languages: German (mandorlmilch), French (lait d’amande), Italian (latte di mandorle)... . Is it “technically correct” to call any of the products milk? No. But nobody who calls something “almond milk” is suggesting it is produced from the mammary gland of any mammal, and nobody who knows the language is likely to misunderstand this metaphorical usage.
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    @Mari-LouA The reason word restrictions exist are that the language would otherwise allow such usage. You don't need a law saying not to call fish "beef," just an accuracy in labeling law. In the case of milk, it is generally the cow milk industry that is trying to reduce competition by lobbying to get non-dairy (or even non-bovine) milks not labeled as such. There's no debate about the meaning in language, but an attempt to change the existing meaning.
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    An accuracy in labelling law doesn't solve the problem, it just moves it: the question then becomes "is it accurate to label coconut milk as milk?"
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  • Food labeling is about language, if someone is saying that "almond milk" (etc.) cannot be called milk, that is precisely because someone is querying the definition of the word, its meaning, and the positive connotations that is associated with the term "milk". It is political and linguistic; why is that an entirely different matter? The issue revolves around language.
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    @mari-loua I disagree that it's much about language, what is legally allowed in food labeling and the way the general population uses words to describe things is not necessarily consistent.
    – Bryan Krause
    2 days ago






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    @BryanKrause That may in part depend on how far back in time we go. This metaphorical application of the word milk for the liquids from grinding/pulping various nuts/beans has been used in most European languages: German (mandorlmilch), French (lait d’amande), Italian (latte di mandorle)... . Is it “technically correct” to call any of the products milk? No. But nobody who calls something “almond milk” is suggesting it is produced from the mammary gland of any mammal, and nobody who knows the language is likely to misunderstand this metaphorical usage.
    – Tuffy
    yesterday






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    @Mari-LouA The reason word restrictions exist are that the language would otherwise allow such usage. You don't need a law saying not to call fish "beef," just an accuracy in labeling law. In the case of milk, it is generally the cow milk industry that is trying to reduce competition by lobbying to get non-dairy (or even non-bovine) milks not labeled as such. There's no debate about the meaning in language, but an attempt to change the existing meaning.
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    An accuracy in labelling law doesn't solve the problem, it just moves it: the question then becomes "is it accurate to label coconut milk as milk?"
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Food labeling is about language, if someone is saying that "almond milk" (etc.) cannot be called milk, that is precisely because someone is querying the definition of the word, its meaning, and the positive connotations that is associated with the term "milk". It is political and linguistic; why is that an entirely different matter? The issue revolves around language.
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Food labeling is about language, if someone is saying that "almond milk" (etc.) cannot be called milk, that is precisely because someone is querying the definition of the word, its meaning, and the positive connotations that is associated with the term "milk". It is political and linguistic; why is that an entirely different matter? The issue revolves around language.
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@mari-loua I disagree that it's much about language, what is legally allowed in food labeling and the way the general population uses words to describe things is not necessarily consistent.
– Bryan Krause
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@mari-loua I disagree that it's much about language, what is legally allowed in food labeling and the way the general population uses words to describe things is not necessarily consistent.
– Bryan Krause
2 days ago




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@BryanKrause That may in part depend on how far back in time we go. This metaphorical application of the word milk for the liquids from grinding/pulping various nuts/beans has been used in most European languages: German (mandorlmilch), French (lait d’amande), Italian (latte di mandorle)... . Is it “technically correct” to call any of the products milk? No. But nobody who calls something “almond milk” is suggesting it is produced from the mammary gland of any mammal, and nobody who knows the language is likely to misunderstand this metaphorical usage.
– Tuffy
yesterday




@BryanKrause That may in part depend on how far back in time we go. This metaphorical application of the word milk for the liquids from grinding/pulping various nuts/beans has been used in most European languages: German (mandorlmilch), French (lait d’amande), Italian (latte di mandorle)... . Is it “technically correct” to call any of the products milk? No. But nobody who calls something “almond milk” is suggesting it is produced from the mammary gland of any mammal, and nobody who knows the language is likely to misunderstand this metaphorical usage.
– Tuffy
yesterday




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@Mari-LouA The reason word restrictions exist are that the language would otherwise allow such usage. You don't need a law saying not to call fish "beef," just an accuracy in labeling law. In the case of milk, it is generally the cow milk industry that is trying to reduce competition by lobbying to get non-dairy (or even non-bovine) milks not labeled as such. There's no debate about the meaning in language, but an attempt to change the existing meaning.
– trlkly
yesterday






@Mari-LouA The reason word restrictions exist are that the language would otherwise allow such usage. You don't need a law saying not to call fish "beef," just an accuracy in labeling law. In the case of milk, it is generally the cow milk industry that is trying to reduce competition by lobbying to get non-dairy (or even non-bovine) milks not labeled as such. There's no debate about the meaning in language, but an attempt to change the existing meaning.
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An accuracy in labelling law doesn't solve the problem, it just moves it: the question then becomes "is it accurate to label coconut milk as milk?"
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An accuracy in labelling law doesn't solve the problem, it just moves it: the question then becomes "is it accurate to label coconut milk as milk?"
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As I understand it, you just need to look at its colour to see why it is called ‘milk’. In the case of almond, the ‘butter’ extracted by grinding the the nut, even when mixed with water, had a milky colour and texture. The liquid from ground soy is so because the beans are not processed till they have a mature ‘beige’ colour and so are again a sort of milky white (unlike soy sauce, where the beans have been dried and the liquid is dark brown.



Coconut ‘water’, as we might drink it straight from the nut, is much clearer. In fact, from my youth I called it ‘coconut milk’. I am grateful to @Chronocidal for correcting my lifelong error. The commercial ‘milk’ comes from the grinding of the white flesh.






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  • Is it technically correct to call these beverages “milk”? I understand that the plant-based drinks are white in colour... but why is it illegal (on packets) to call it milk? I'm guessing there are some laws prohibiting this description.
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    Yeah - I think it's definitely gotta be white (or at least, whitish), to be called milk. @Mari-LouA - "Illegal?" - is that some kind of EU directive? Are they gonna arrest kids who ask to have the milk from the Christmas coconut?
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    @Mari-LouA, what exactly do you mean by 'technically' here? If you are asking whether it is illegal in a particular jurisdiction (and if so, why), then the question seems to have more to do with the law and the politics of agriculture and consumer protection in that jurisdiction, than with English (or Italian) language.
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    @Tuffy I’m no expert, but I don’t think soy beans are dried to make soy sauce. They’re generally soaked and cooked, then mixed with wheat and some type of fermenting agent, then mixed into brine and left to ferment (this is the stage that gives the brown colour), then strained and pasteurised.
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    If you are drinking straight from a Coconut, you are drinking Coconut water. You have to grate the pulp to release the oily and fattier Coconut milk
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As I understand it, you just need to look at its colour to see why it is called ‘milk’. In the case of almond, the ‘butter’ extracted by grinding the the nut, even when mixed with water, had a milky colour and texture. The liquid from ground soy is so because the beans are not processed till they have a mature ‘beige’ colour and so are again a sort of milky white (unlike soy sauce, where the beans have been dried and the liquid is dark brown.



Coconut ‘water’, as we might drink it straight from the nut, is much clearer. In fact, from my youth I called it ‘coconut milk’. I am grateful to @Chronocidal for correcting my lifelong error. The commercial ‘milk’ comes from the grinding of the white flesh.






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  • Is it technically correct to call these beverages “milk”? I understand that the plant-based drinks are white in colour... but why is it illegal (on packets) to call it milk? I'm guessing there are some laws prohibiting this description.
    – Mari-Lou A
    2 days ago








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    Yeah - I think it's definitely gotta be white (or at least, whitish), to be called milk. @Mari-LouA - "Illegal?" - is that some kind of EU directive? Are they gonna arrest kids who ask to have the milk from the Christmas coconut?
    – FumbleFingers
    2 days ago






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    @Mari-LouA, what exactly do you mean by 'technically' here? If you are asking whether it is illegal in a particular jurisdiction (and if so, why), then the question seems to have more to do with the law and the politics of agriculture and consumer protection in that jurisdiction, than with English (or Italian) language.
    – jsw29
    2 days ago






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    @Tuffy I’m no expert, but I don’t think soy beans are dried to make soy sauce. They’re generally soaked and cooked, then mixed with wheat and some type of fermenting agent, then mixed into brine and left to ferment (this is the stage that gives the brown colour), then strained and pasteurised.
    – Janus Bahs Jacquet
    2 days ago






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    If you are drinking straight from a Coconut, you are drinking Coconut water. You have to grate the pulp to release the oily and fattier Coconut milk
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As I understand it, you just need to look at its colour to see why it is called ‘milk’. In the case of almond, the ‘butter’ extracted by grinding the the nut, even when mixed with water, had a milky colour and texture. The liquid from ground soy is so because the beans are not processed till they have a mature ‘beige’ colour and so are again a sort of milky white (unlike soy sauce, where the beans have been dried and the liquid is dark brown.



Coconut ‘water’, as we might drink it straight from the nut, is much clearer. In fact, from my youth I called it ‘coconut milk’. I am grateful to @Chronocidal for correcting my lifelong error. The commercial ‘milk’ comes from the grinding of the white flesh.






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As I understand it, you just need to look at its colour to see why it is called ‘milk’. In the case of almond, the ‘butter’ extracted by grinding the the nut, even when mixed with water, had a milky colour and texture. The liquid from ground soy is so because the beans are not processed till they have a mature ‘beige’ colour and so are again a sort of milky white (unlike soy sauce, where the beans have been dried and the liquid is dark brown.



Coconut ‘water’, as we might drink it straight from the nut, is much clearer. In fact, from my youth I called it ‘coconut milk’. I am grateful to @Chronocidal for correcting my lifelong error. The commercial ‘milk’ comes from the grinding of the white flesh.







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  • Is it technically correct to call these beverages “milk”? I understand that the plant-based drinks are white in colour... but why is it illegal (on packets) to call it milk? I'm guessing there are some laws prohibiting this description.
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    Yeah - I think it's definitely gotta be white (or at least, whitish), to be called milk. @Mari-LouA - "Illegal?" - is that some kind of EU directive? Are they gonna arrest kids who ask to have the milk from the Christmas coconut?
    – FumbleFingers
    2 days ago






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    @Mari-LouA, what exactly do you mean by 'technically' here? If you are asking whether it is illegal in a particular jurisdiction (and if so, why), then the question seems to have more to do with the law and the politics of agriculture and consumer protection in that jurisdiction, than with English (or Italian) language.
    – jsw29
    2 days ago






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    @Tuffy I’m no expert, but I don’t think soy beans are dried to make soy sauce. They’re generally soaked and cooked, then mixed with wheat and some type of fermenting agent, then mixed into brine and left to ferment (this is the stage that gives the brown colour), then strained and pasteurised.
    – Janus Bahs Jacquet
    2 days ago






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    If you are drinking straight from a Coconut, you are drinking Coconut water. You have to grate the pulp to release the oily and fattier Coconut milk
    – Chronocidal
    2 days ago


















  • Is it technically correct to call these beverages “milk”? I understand that the plant-based drinks are white in colour... but why is it illegal (on packets) to call it milk? I'm guessing there are some laws prohibiting this description.
    – Mari-Lou A
    2 days ago








  • 3




    Yeah - I think it's definitely gotta be white (or at least, whitish), to be called milk. @Mari-LouA - "Illegal?" - is that some kind of EU directive? Are they gonna arrest kids who ask to have the milk from the Christmas coconut?
    – FumbleFingers
    2 days ago






  • 8




    @Mari-LouA, what exactly do you mean by 'technically' here? If you are asking whether it is illegal in a particular jurisdiction (and if so, why), then the question seems to have more to do with the law and the politics of agriculture and consumer protection in that jurisdiction, than with English (or Italian) language.
    – jsw29
    2 days ago






  • 3




    @Tuffy I’m no expert, but I don’t think soy beans are dried to make soy sauce. They’re generally soaked and cooked, then mixed with wheat and some type of fermenting agent, then mixed into brine and left to ferment (this is the stage that gives the brown colour), then strained and pasteurised.
    – Janus Bahs Jacquet
    2 days ago






  • 2




    If you are drinking straight from a Coconut, you are drinking Coconut water. You have to grate the pulp to release the oily and fattier Coconut milk
    – Chronocidal
    2 days ago
















Is it technically correct to call these beverages “milk”? I understand that the plant-based drinks are white in colour... but why is it illegal (on packets) to call it milk? I'm guessing there are some laws prohibiting this description.
– Mari-Lou A
2 days ago






Is it technically correct to call these beverages “milk”? I understand that the plant-based drinks are white in colour... but why is it illegal (on packets) to call it milk? I'm guessing there are some laws prohibiting this description.
– Mari-Lou A
2 days ago






3




3




Yeah - I think it's definitely gotta be white (or at least, whitish), to be called milk. @Mari-LouA - "Illegal?" - is that some kind of EU directive? Are they gonna arrest kids who ask to have the milk from the Christmas coconut?
– FumbleFingers
2 days ago




Yeah - I think it's definitely gotta be white (or at least, whitish), to be called milk. @Mari-LouA - "Illegal?" - is that some kind of EU directive? Are they gonna arrest kids who ask to have the milk from the Christmas coconut?
– FumbleFingers
2 days ago




8




8




@Mari-LouA, what exactly do you mean by 'technically' here? If you are asking whether it is illegal in a particular jurisdiction (and if so, why), then the question seems to have more to do with the law and the politics of agriculture and consumer protection in that jurisdiction, than with English (or Italian) language.
– jsw29
2 days ago




@Mari-LouA, what exactly do you mean by 'technically' here? If you are asking whether it is illegal in a particular jurisdiction (and if so, why), then the question seems to have more to do with the law and the politics of agriculture and consumer protection in that jurisdiction, than with English (or Italian) language.
– jsw29
2 days ago




3




3




@Tuffy I’m no expert, but I don’t think soy beans are dried to make soy sauce. They’re generally soaked and cooked, then mixed with wheat and some type of fermenting agent, then mixed into brine and left to ferment (this is the stage that gives the brown colour), then strained and pasteurised.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
2 days ago




@Tuffy I’m no expert, but I don’t think soy beans are dried to make soy sauce. They’re generally soaked and cooked, then mixed with wheat and some type of fermenting agent, then mixed into brine and left to ferment (this is the stage that gives the brown colour), then strained and pasteurised.
– Janus Bahs Jacquet
2 days ago




2




2




If you are drinking straight from a Coconut, you are drinking Coconut water. You have to grate the pulp to release the oily and fattier Coconut milk
– Chronocidal
2 days ago




If you are drinking straight from a Coconut, you are drinking Coconut water. You have to grate the pulp to release the oily and fattier Coconut milk
– Chronocidal
2 days ago











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In the US, it is technically illegal to call plant-based products "milk", "cheese", etc per old FDA regulations. However, the distinction has never been enforced to any degree. Within the last 6 months the FDA has undertaken to understand how people use and perceive terms like milk, in order to determine how to handle the issue. This article is worth reading. While the cases are presumably small in number, soy-based "milk" has apparently resulted in cases of rickets due to Vitamin D deficiency, and rice-based "milk" lacks protein, resulting in Kwashiorkor in infants. Presumably the parents thought they were doing the right thing in avoiding animal products, without realizing that the milk alternatives they were buying did not have the nutritional qualities of the original.






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    I see "NOT FOR USE AS INFANT FORMULA" printed in red on the side of cartons of soy and almond milk purchased in California. The linked article appears to cite sources from the dairy industry.
    – njuffa
    2 days ago






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    @njuffa - I see cancer warnings on cigarette packages, too. People always pay attention to that sort of thing, right?
    – WhatRoughBeast
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In the US, it is technically illegal to call plant-based products "milk", "cheese", etc per old FDA regulations. However, the distinction has never been enforced to any degree. Within the last 6 months the FDA has undertaken to understand how people use and perceive terms like milk, in order to determine how to handle the issue. This article is worth reading. While the cases are presumably small in number, soy-based "milk" has apparently resulted in cases of rickets due to Vitamin D deficiency, and rice-based "milk" lacks protein, resulting in Kwashiorkor in infants. Presumably the parents thought they were doing the right thing in avoiding animal products, without realizing that the milk alternatives they were buying did not have the nutritional qualities of the original.






share|improve this answer

















  • 3




    I see "NOT FOR USE AS INFANT FORMULA" printed in red on the side of cartons of soy and almond milk purchased in California. The linked article appears to cite sources from the dairy industry.
    – njuffa
    2 days ago






  • 1




    @njuffa - I see cancer warnings on cigarette packages, too. People always pay attention to that sort of thing, right?
    – WhatRoughBeast
    yesterday














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7








7






In the US, it is technically illegal to call plant-based products "milk", "cheese", etc per old FDA regulations. However, the distinction has never been enforced to any degree. Within the last 6 months the FDA has undertaken to understand how people use and perceive terms like milk, in order to determine how to handle the issue. This article is worth reading. While the cases are presumably small in number, soy-based "milk" has apparently resulted in cases of rickets due to Vitamin D deficiency, and rice-based "milk" lacks protein, resulting in Kwashiorkor in infants. Presumably the parents thought they were doing the right thing in avoiding animal products, without realizing that the milk alternatives they were buying did not have the nutritional qualities of the original.






share|improve this answer












In the US, it is technically illegal to call plant-based products "milk", "cheese", etc per old FDA regulations. However, the distinction has never been enforced to any degree. Within the last 6 months the FDA has undertaken to understand how people use and perceive terms like milk, in order to determine how to handle the issue. This article is worth reading. While the cases are presumably small in number, soy-based "milk" has apparently resulted in cases of rickets due to Vitamin D deficiency, and rice-based "milk" lacks protein, resulting in Kwashiorkor in infants. Presumably the parents thought they were doing the right thing in avoiding animal products, without realizing that the milk alternatives they were buying did not have the nutritional qualities of the original.







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  • 3




    I see "NOT FOR USE AS INFANT FORMULA" printed in red on the side of cartons of soy and almond milk purchased in California. The linked article appears to cite sources from the dairy industry.
    – njuffa
    2 days ago






  • 1




    @njuffa - I see cancer warnings on cigarette packages, too. People always pay attention to that sort of thing, right?
    – WhatRoughBeast
    yesterday














  • 3




    I see "NOT FOR USE AS INFANT FORMULA" printed in red on the side of cartons of soy and almond milk purchased in California. The linked article appears to cite sources from the dairy industry.
    – njuffa
    2 days ago






  • 1




    @njuffa - I see cancer warnings on cigarette packages, too. People always pay attention to that sort of thing, right?
    – WhatRoughBeast
    yesterday








3




3




I see "NOT FOR USE AS INFANT FORMULA" printed in red on the side of cartons of soy and almond milk purchased in California. The linked article appears to cite sources from the dairy industry.
– njuffa
2 days ago




I see "NOT FOR USE AS INFANT FORMULA" printed in red on the side of cartons of soy and almond milk purchased in California. The linked article appears to cite sources from the dairy industry.
– njuffa
2 days ago




1




1




@njuffa - I see cancer warnings on cigarette packages, too. People always pay attention to that sort of thing, right?
– WhatRoughBeast
yesterday




@njuffa - I see cancer warnings on cigarette packages, too. People always pay attention to that sort of thing, right?
– WhatRoughBeast
yesterday











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Almond Breeze contains only 2% Almonds, it is mostly water, sugar, carrageenan and sunflower lecithin.



I don't think it should be called milk. Milk Substitute would be a better description.






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    I realize that you've separated them into two paragraphs, but do your first sentence and your second sentence have any connection (beyond the fact that they're both about this product)? Do you have any reason for your second sentence?
    – Scott
    yesterday










  • Roland, your first paragraph is interesting, but not really relevant - the question is about what qualifies as milk, not about the level of almond content that particular product has - and your second paragraph is an opinion rather than an authoritative answer. I realise you think poorly of SE but if you choose to post an answer, the etiquette would be to conform to our standards - see How to Answer and take the EL&U Tour. :-)
    – Chappo
    1 hour ago


















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Almond Breeze contains only 2% Almonds, it is mostly water, sugar, carrageenan and sunflower lecithin.



I don't think it should be called milk. Milk Substitute would be a better description.






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  • 2




    I realize that you've separated them into two paragraphs, but do your first sentence and your second sentence have any connection (beyond the fact that they're both about this product)? Do you have any reason for your second sentence?
    – Scott
    yesterday










  • Roland, your first paragraph is interesting, but not really relevant - the question is about what qualifies as milk, not about the level of almond content that particular product has - and your second paragraph is an opinion rather than an authoritative answer. I realise you think poorly of SE but if you choose to post an answer, the etiquette would be to conform to our standards - see How to Answer and take the EL&U Tour. :-)
    – Chappo
    1 hour ago
















0












0








0






Almond Breeze contains only 2% Almonds, it is mostly water, sugar, carrageenan and sunflower lecithin.



I don't think it should be called milk. Milk Substitute would be a better description.






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Roland Smith is a new contributor to this site. Take care in asking for clarification, commenting, and answering.
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Almond Breeze contains only 2% Almonds, it is mostly water, sugar, carrageenan and sunflower lecithin.



I don't think it should be called milk. Milk Substitute would be a better description.







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  • 2




    I realize that you've separated them into two paragraphs, but do your first sentence and your second sentence have any connection (beyond the fact that they're both about this product)? Do you have any reason for your second sentence?
    – Scott
    yesterday










  • Roland, your first paragraph is interesting, but not really relevant - the question is about what qualifies as milk, not about the level of almond content that particular product has - and your second paragraph is an opinion rather than an authoritative answer. I realise you think poorly of SE but if you choose to post an answer, the etiquette would be to conform to our standards - see How to Answer and take the EL&U Tour. :-)
    – Chappo
    1 hour ago
















  • 2




    I realize that you've separated them into two paragraphs, but do your first sentence and your second sentence have any connection (beyond the fact that they're both about this product)? Do you have any reason for your second sentence?
    – Scott
    yesterday










  • Roland, your first paragraph is interesting, but not really relevant - the question is about what qualifies as milk, not about the level of almond content that particular product has - and your second paragraph is an opinion rather than an authoritative answer. I realise you think poorly of SE but if you choose to post an answer, the etiquette would be to conform to our standards - see How to Answer and take the EL&U Tour. :-)
    – Chappo
    1 hour ago










2




2




I realize that you've separated them into two paragraphs, but do your first sentence and your second sentence have any connection (beyond the fact that they're both about this product)? Do you have any reason for your second sentence?
– Scott
yesterday




I realize that you've separated them into two paragraphs, but do your first sentence and your second sentence have any connection (beyond the fact that they're both about this product)? Do you have any reason for your second sentence?
– Scott
yesterday












Roland, your first paragraph is interesting, but not really relevant - the question is about what qualifies as milk, not about the level of almond content that particular product has - and your second paragraph is an opinion rather than an authoritative answer. I realise you think poorly of SE but if you choose to post an answer, the etiquette would be to conform to our standards - see How to Answer and take the EL&U Tour. :-)
– Chappo
1 hour ago






Roland, your first paragraph is interesting, but not really relevant - the question is about what qualifies as milk, not about the level of almond content that particular product has - and your second paragraph is an opinion rather than an authoritative answer. I realise you think poorly of SE but if you choose to post an answer, the etiquette would be to conform to our standards - see How to Answer and take the EL&U Tour. :-)
– Chappo
1 hour ago




















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