Egypt and Israel. Would ever ally with each other? [on hold]
So in my settings set 40 years in the future I plan to have Egypt and Israel in an alliance that sees them slowly (and I mean slowly) merge into a single nation. Now my question is if this can happen with the following conditions :
- The USA is fractured and it’s successor states either can’t or won’t provide any aids
- Western Europe is busy dealing with Russia and China so they aren’t of any help either .
- There’s an aggressive expansionist Muslim fascist terror state that encompasses Syria, Iraq, Yemen and Saudi Arabia and is in the process of conquering Jordan and Lebanon
- Egypt itself is at war with the aforementioned state
- Israel can’t use nuclear weapons for reasons that I don’t want to spoil.
So is it possible?
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So in my settings set 40 years in the future I plan to have Egypt and Israel in an alliance that sees them slowly (and I mean slowly) merge into a single nation. Now my question is if this can happen with the following conditions :
- The USA is fractured and it’s successor states either can’t or won’t provide any aids
- Western Europe is busy dealing with Russia and China so they aren’t of any help either .
- There’s an aggressive expansionist Muslim fascist terror state that encompasses Syria, Iraq, Yemen and Saudi Arabia and is in the process of conquering Jordan and Lebanon
- Egypt itself is at war with the aforementioned state
- Israel can’t use nuclear weapons for reasons that I don’t want to spoil.
So is it possible?
reality-check government geopolitics
put on hold as primarily opinion-based by Mike Scott, Alex2006, Cyn, Renan, user535733 4 hours ago
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They sure can ally against a potent common threat, but merging into a single nation is a high fiction, unless modern Jewish Israeli are supplanted by Palestinians.
– Alexander
7 hours ago
Stranger alliances have happened (Nazi Germany and Japan, for example). So yes, with the right pressures, almost anything can happen.
– Cyn
7 hours ago
Can't say I understand the close votes...
– James♦
5 hours ago
ATTENTION VTCers! Remember that Primarily Opinion-Based (POB) has a different meaning here at worldbuilding.SE and since the OP is asking for a reality-check all answers must be backed up to justify their response. This question isn't POB.
– JBH
5 hours ago
See the film Americathon, The United Hebrab Republic.
– VBartilucci
5 hours ago
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So in my settings set 40 years in the future I plan to have Egypt and Israel in an alliance that sees them slowly (and I mean slowly) merge into a single nation. Now my question is if this can happen with the following conditions :
- The USA is fractured and it’s successor states either can’t or won’t provide any aids
- Western Europe is busy dealing with Russia and China so they aren’t of any help either .
- There’s an aggressive expansionist Muslim fascist terror state that encompasses Syria, Iraq, Yemen and Saudi Arabia and is in the process of conquering Jordan and Lebanon
- Egypt itself is at war with the aforementioned state
- Israel can’t use nuclear weapons for reasons that I don’t want to spoil.
So is it possible?
reality-check government geopolitics
So in my settings set 40 years in the future I plan to have Egypt and Israel in an alliance that sees them slowly (and I mean slowly) merge into a single nation. Now my question is if this can happen with the following conditions :
- The USA is fractured and it’s successor states either can’t or won’t provide any aids
- Western Europe is busy dealing with Russia and China so they aren’t of any help either .
- There’s an aggressive expansionist Muslim fascist terror state that encompasses Syria, Iraq, Yemen and Saudi Arabia and is in the process of conquering Jordan and Lebanon
- Egypt itself is at war with the aforementioned state
- Israel can’t use nuclear weapons for reasons that I don’t want to spoil.
So is it possible?
reality-check government geopolitics
reality-check government geopolitics
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put on hold as primarily opinion-based by Mike Scott, Alex2006, Cyn, Renan, user535733 4 hours ago
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put on hold as primarily opinion-based by Mike Scott, Alex2006, Cyn, Renan, user535733 4 hours ago
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They sure can ally against a potent common threat, but merging into a single nation is a high fiction, unless modern Jewish Israeli are supplanted by Palestinians.
– Alexander
7 hours ago
Stranger alliances have happened (Nazi Germany and Japan, for example). So yes, with the right pressures, almost anything can happen.
– Cyn
7 hours ago
Can't say I understand the close votes...
– James♦
5 hours ago
ATTENTION VTCers! Remember that Primarily Opinion-Based (POB) has a different meaning here at worldbuilding.SE and since the OP is asking for a reality-check all answers must be backed up to justify their response. This question isn't POB.
– JBH
5 hours ago
See the film Americathon, The United Hebrab Republic.
– VBartilucci
5 hours ago
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They sure can ally against a potent common threat, but merging into a single nation is a high fiction, unless modern Jewish Israeli are supplanted by Palestinians.
– Alexander
7 hours ago
Stranger alliances have happened (Nazi Germany and Japan, for example). So yes, with the right pressures, almost anything can happen.
– Cyn
7 hours ago
Can't say I understand the close votes...
– James♦
5 hours ago
ATTENTION VTCers! Remember that Primarily Opinion-Based (POB) has a different meaning here at worldbuilding.SE and since the OP is asking for a reality-check all answers must be backed up to justify their response. This question isn't POB.
– JBH
5 hours ago
See the film Americathon, The United Hebrab Republic.
– VBartilucci
5 hours ago
They sure can ally against a potent common threat, but merging into a single nation is a high fiction, unless modern Jewish Israeli are supplanted by Palestinians.
– Alexander
7 hours ago
They sure can ally against a potent common threat, but merging into a single nation is a high fiction, unless modern Jewish Israeli are supplanted by Palestinians.
– Alexander
7 hours ago
Stranger alliances have happened (Nazi Germany and Japan, for example). So yes, with the right pressures, almost anything can happen.
– Cyn
7 hours ago
Stranger alliances have happened (Nazi Germany and Japan, for example). So yes, with the right pressures, almost anything can happen.
– Cyn
7 hours ago
Can't say I understand the close votes...
– James♦
5 hours ago
Can't say I understand the close votes...
– James♦
5 hours ago
ATTENTION VTCers! Remember that Primarily Opinion-Based (POB) has a different meaning here at worldbuilding.SE and since the OP is asking for a reality-check all answers must be backed up to justify their response. This question isn't POB.
– JBH
5 hours ago
ATTENTION VTCers! Remember that Primarily Opinion-Based (POB) has a different meaning here at worldbuilding.SE and since the OP is asking for a reality-check all answers must be backed up to justify their response. This question isn't POB.
– JBH
5 hours ago
See the film Americathon, The United Hebrab Republic.
– VBartilucci
5 hours ago
See the film Americathon, The United Hebrab Republic.
– VBartilucci
5 hours ago
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Secret Alliance: Israel Carries Out Airstrikes in Egypt, With Cairo’s O.K
As you propose, nothing unites like a common enemy. The secular Egyptian state and the Israeli state already make common cause against Islamic jihadists.
In your future, Israeli-Palestinian relations are finally dominated by practicality and the shared interest of both parties in making money and not fighting. The joint Palestinian - Israeli nation is thriving, as opposed to its arab neighbors who are succumbing to the terror state.
Egypt sees the writing on the wall. The only reason that they too are not succumbing to the terror state is their increasingly close cooperation with Israel, as in the linked article. The leaders of Egypt want the same deal that the Palestinians got for their lands, and formally merge with Israel / Palestine.
The heavy fiction here is the triumph of reason in Israel / Palestine, which I think you would need to make the Egyptian populace accept a merger.. But you might not even need that. A popular secular Egyptian strongman could decree a "merger of equals" and make it so.
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It is for sure one of the possibilities.
Impossible is a word that does not exist in politics and diplomatic relationships.
Consider France and Germany: until 1945 they were sworn enemies, fighting each other on the slightest excuse. Then they became two of the founder of European Union.
You just need to make up the proper trajectory bringing the two nations close to each other. You have it easy considering that Egypt was the first Arab country to normalize the relationships with Israel.
Before that, Britain and France were rivals.
– Harper
5 hours ago
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This is now.
Secret Alliance: Israel Carries Out Airstrikes in Egypt, With Cairo’s O.K
As you propose, nothing unites like a common enemy. The secular Egyptian state and the Israeli state already make common cause against Islamic jihadists.
In your future, Israeli-Palestinian relations are finally dominated by practicality and the shared interest of both parties in making money and not fighting. The joint Palestinian - Israeli nation is thriving, as opposed to its arab neighbors who are succumbing to the terror state.
Egypt sees the writing on the wall. The only reason that they too are not succumbing to the terror state is their increasingly close cooperation with Israel, as in the linked article. The leaders of Egypt want the same deal that the Palestinians got for their lands, and formally merge with Israel / Palestine.
The heavy fiction here is the triumph of reason in Israel / Palestine, which I think you would need to make the Egyptian populace accept a merger.. But you might not even need that. A popular secular Egyptian strongman could decree a "merger of equals" and make it so.
add a comment |
This is now.
Secret Alliance: Israel Carries Out Airstrikes in Egypt, With Cairo’s O.K
As you propose, nothing unites like a common enemy. The secular Egyptian state and the Israeli state already make common cause against Islamic jihadists.
In your future, Israeli-Palestinian relations are finally dominated by practicality and the shared interest of both parties in making money and not fighting. The joint Palestinian - Israeli nation is thriving, as opposed to its arab neighbors who are succumbing to the terror state.
Egypt sees the writing on the wall. The only reason that they too are not succumbing to the terror state is their increasingly close cooperation with Israel, as in the linked article. The leaders of Egypt want the same deal that the Palestinians got for their lands, and formally merge with Israel / Palestine.
The heavy fiction here is the triumph of reason in Israel / Palestine, which I think you would need to make the Egyptian populace accept a merger.. But you might not even need that. A popular secular Egyptian strongman could decree a "merger of equals" and make it so.
add a comment |
This is now.
Secret Alliance: Israel Carries Out Airstrikes in Egypt, With Cairo’s O.K
As you propose, nothing unites like a common enemy. The secular Egyptian state and the Israeli state already make common cause against Islamic jihadists.
In your future, Israeli-Palestinian relations are finally dominated by practicality and the shared interest of both parties in making money and not fighting. The joint Palestinian - Israeli nation is thriving, as opposed to its arab neighbors who are succumbing to the terror state.
Egypt sees the writing on the wall. The only reason that they too are not succumbing to the terror state is their increasingly close cooperation with Israel, as in the linked article. The leaders of Egypt want the same deal that the Palestinians got for their lands, and formally merge with Israel / Palestine.
The heavy fiction here is the triumph of reason in Israel / Palestine, which I think you would need to make the Egyptian populace accept a merger.. But you might not even need that. A popular secular Egyptian strongman could decree a "merger of equals" and make it so.
This is now.
Secret Alliance: Israel Carries Out Airstrikes in Egypt, With Cairo’s O.K
As you propose, nothing unites like a common enemy. The secular Egyptian state and the Israeli state already make common cause against Islamic jihadists.
In your future, Israeli-Palestinian relations are finally dominated by practicality and the shared interest of both parties in making money and not fighting. The joint Palestinian - Israeli nation is thriving, as opposed to its arab neighbors who are succumbing to the terror state.
Egypt sees the writing on the wall. The only reason that they too are not succumbing to the terror state is their increasingly close cooperation with Israel, as in the linked article. The leaders of Egypt want the same deal that the Palestinians got for their lands, and formally merge with Israel / Palestine.
The heavy fiction here is the triumph of reason in Israel / Palestine, which I think you would need to make the Egyptian populace accept a merger.. But you might not even need that. A popular secular Egyptian strongman could decree a "merger of equals" and make it so.
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It is for sure one of the possibilities.
Impossible is a word that does not exist in politics and diplomatic relationships.
Consider France and Germany: until 1945 they were sworn enemies, fighting each other on the slightest excuse. Then they became two of the founder of European Union.
You just need to make up the proper trajectory bringing the two nations close to each other. You have it easy considering that Egypt was the first Arab country to normalize the relationships with Israel.
Before that, Britain and France were rivals.
– Harper
5 hours ago
add a comment |
It is for sure one of the possibilities.
Impossible is a word that does not exist in politics and diplomatic relationships.
Consider France and Germany: until 1945 they were sworn enemies, fighting each other on the slightest excuse. Then they became two of the founder of European Union.
You just need to make up the proper trajectory bringing the two nations close to each other. You have it easy considering that Egypt was the first Arab country to normalize the relationships with Israel.
Before that, Britain and France were rivals.
– Harper
5 hours ago
add a comment |
It is for sure one of the possibilities.
Impossible is a word that does not exist in politics and diplomatic relationships.
Consider France and Germany: until 1945 they were sworn enemies, fighting each other on the slightest excuse. Then they became two of the founder of European Union.
You just need to make up the proper trajectory bringing the two nations close to each other. You have it easy considering that Egypt was the first Arab country to normalize the relationships with Israel.
It is for sure one of the possibilities.
Impossible is a word that does not exist in politics and diplomatic relationships.
Consider France and Germany: until 1945 they were sworn enemies, fighting each other on the slightest excuse. Then they became two of the founder of European Union.
You just need to make up the proper trajectory bringing the two nations close to each other. You have it easy considering that Egypt was the first Arab country to normalize the relationships with Israel.
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L.Dutch♦
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Before that, Britain and France were rivals.
– Harper
5 hours ago
add a comment |
Before that, Britain and France were rivals.
– Harper
5 hours ago
Before that, Britain and France were rivals.
– Harper
5 hours ago
Before that, Britain and France were rivals.
– Harper
5 hours ago
add a comment |
They sure can ally against a potent common threat, but merging into a single nation is a high fiction, unless modern Jewish Israeli are supplanted by Palestinians.
– Alexander
7 hours ago
Stranger alliances have happened (Nazi Germany and Japan, for example). So yes, with the right pressures, almost anything can happen.
– Cyn
7 hours ago
Can't say I understand the close votes...
– James♦
5 hours ago
ATTENTION VTCers! Remember that Primarily Opinion-Based (POB) has a different meaning here at worldbuilding.SE and since the OP is asking for a reality-check all answers must be backed up to justify their response. This question isn't POB.
– JBH
5 hours ago
See the film Americathon, The United Hebrab Republic.
– VBartilucci
5 hours ago