Can you crack and roll a boiled egg on Shabbat, even if the rolling will tear the letters printed on the egg?












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Introduction



In an article, Rabbi Gil Student writes that, on Shabbat:




The Mishnah Berurah (340:17) and other authorities ... permit eating cake with letters. However, they do not permit cutting letters on cake. Similarly, they forbid cutting through letters on a wrapper or piece of paper (e.g. Shemiras Shabbos Ke-Hilkhasah 9:12; R. Gersion Appel, Concise Code of Jewish Law, vol. 2, p. 199).




To peel a hard-boiled egg, I usually follow these steps:




  • Crack it.

  • Roll it on the table. (Some say that this helps to detach the membrane from the egg white. A column by the Life Hack Investigator says that the rolling technique is almost as good as the shake method. Both of the aforementioned techniques are more popular than the spoon method.)


  • Remove the peel.



Where I live, many eggs have the best-before date printed on the shell. After boiling, the date marking fades but doesn't fully disappear.



Cracking and rolling the egg might be likely to tear the letters.



I'd rather not peel the egg before Shabbat and store it in a plastic bag. I bet the egg might stay fresh for more days if I keep it in its shell.



My question



Is it okay to crack and roll a boiled egg on Shabbat, even if the rolling will tear the letters printed on the egg?



Why I think it might be okay




  • Maybe the final Halachic ruling is more lenient than we thought; please see Rabbi Student's full article.


  • Also, maybe cracking and rolling isn't guaranteed to tear the letters; so maybe this changes things. But I currently don't have any boiled eggs handy in order to experiment with and find out.


  • Finally, rolling an egg on a table isn't the usual way of erasing letters, so maybe the problem is reduced or eliminated.



Postscript



Instead of trusting the answers here, it's best to ask your own rabbi, for many reasons.










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  • While I can't answer your question, I will say that I have many times peeled hardboiled eggs and left them in the fridge (I use a pyrex container with a lid, which seems to work better than a plastic bag) and they're completely fine a day later. Two days is also okay. I've also made egg salad which is best fresh but good the next day and edible but meh the day after that.
    – Cyn
    6 hours ago










  • If I'm not mistaken ר׳ עובדיה יוסף is lenient (as in other cases of a פסיק רישא of a דרבנן). I'm not sure, though, so am not posting an answer. Perhaps someone can find out for sure and post one.
    – msh210
    6 hours ago


















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Introduction



In an article, Rabbi Gil Student writes that, on Shabbat:




The Mishnah Berurah (340:17) and other authorities ... permit eating cake with letters. However, they do not permit cutting letters on cake. Similarly, they forbid cutting through letters on a wrapper or piece of paper (e.g. Shemiras Shabbos Ke-Hilkhasah 9:12; R. Gersion Appel, Concise Code of Jewish Law, vol. 2, p. 199).




To peel a hard-boiled egg, I usually follow these steps:




  • Crack it.

  • Roll it on the table. (Some say that this helps to detach the membrane from the egg white. A column by the Life Hack Investigator says that the rolling technique is almost as good as the shake method. Both of the aforementioned techniques are more popular than the spoon method.)


  • Remove the peel.



Where I live, many eggs have the best-before date printed on the shell. After boiling, the date marking fades but doesn't fully disappear.



Cracking and rolling the egg might be likely to tear the letters.



I'd rather not peel the egg before Shabbat and store it in a plastic bag. I bet the egg might stay fresh for more days if I keep it in its shell.



My question



Is it okay to crack and roll a boiled egg on Shabbat, even if the rolling will tear the letters printed on the egg?



Why I think it might be okay




  • Maybe the final Halachic ruling is more lenient than we thought; please see Rabbi Student's full article.


  • Also, maybe cracking and rolling isn't guaranteed to tear the letters; so maybe this changes things. But I currently don't have any boiled eggs handy in order to experiment with and find out.


  • Finally, rolling an egg on a table isn't the usual way of erasing letters, so maybe the problem is reduced or eliminated.



Postscript



Instead of trusting the answers here, it's best to ask your own rabbi, for many reasons.










share|improve this question
























  • While I can't answer your question, I will say that I have many times peeled hardboiled eggs and left them in the fridge (I use a pyrex container with a lid, which seems to work better than a plastic bag) and they're completely fine a day later. Two days is also okay. I've also made egg salad which is best fresh but good the next day and edible but meh the day after that.
    – Cyn
    6 hours ago










  • If I'm not mistaken ר׳ עובדיה יוסף is lenient (as in other cases of a פסיק רישא of a דרבנן). I'm not sure, though, so am not posting an answer. Perhaps someone can find out for sure and post one.
    – msh210
    6 hours ago
















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Introduction



In an article, Rabbi Gil Student writes that, on Shabbat:




The Mishnah Berurah (340:17) and other authorities ... permit eating cake with letters. However, they do not permit cutting letters on cake. Similarly, they forbid cutting through letters on a wrapper or piece of paper (e.g. Shemiras Shabbos Ke-Hilkhasah 9:12; R. Gersion Appel, Concise Code of Jewish Law, vol. 2, p. 199).




To peel a hard-boiled egg, I usually follow these steps:




  • Crack it.

  • Roll it on the table. (Some say that this helps to detach the membrane from the egg white. A column by the Life Hack Investigator says that the rolling technique is almost as good as the shake method. Both of the aforementioned techniques are more popular than the spoon method.)


  • Remove the peel.



Where I live, many eggs have the best-before date printed on the shell. After boiling, the date marking fades but doesn't fully disappear.



Cracking and rolling the egg might be likely to tear the letters.



I'd rather not peel the egg before Shabbat and store it in a plastic bag. I bet the egg might stay fresh for more days if I keep it in its shell.



My question



Is it okay to crack and roll a boiled egg on Shabbat, even if the rolling will tear the letters printed on the egg?



Why I think it might be okay




  • Maybe the final Halachic ruling is more lenient than we thought; please see Rabbi Student's full article.


  • Also, maybe cracking and rolling isn't guaranteed to tear the letters; so maybe this changes things. But I currently don't have any boiled eggs handy in order to experiment with and find out.


  • Finally, rolling an egg on a table isn't the usual way of erasing letters, so maybe the problem is reduced or eliminated.



Postscript



Instead of trusting the answers here, it's best to ask your own rabbi, for many reasons.










share|improve this question















Introduction



In an article, Rabbi Gil Student writes that, on Shabbat:




The Mishnah Berurah (340:17) and other authorities ... permit eating cake with letters. However, they do not permit cutting letters on cake. Similarly, they forbid cutting through letters on a wrapper or piece of paper (e.g. Shemiras Shabbos Ke-Hilkhasah 9:12; R. Gersion Appel, Concise Code of Jewish Law, vol. 2, p. 199).




To peel a hard-boiled egg, I usually follow these steps:




  • Crack it.

  • Roll it on the table. (Some say that this helps to detach the membrane from the egg white. A column by the Life Hack Investigator says that the rolling technique is almost as good as the shake method. Both of the aforementioned techniques are more popular than the spoon method.)


  • Remove the peel.



Where I live, many eggs have the best-before date printed on the shell. After boiling, the date marking fades but doesn't fully disappear.



Cracking and rolling the egg might be likely to tear the letters.



I'd rather not peel the egg before Shabbat and store it in a plastic bag. I bet the egg might stay fresh for more days if I keep it in its shell.



My question



Is it okay to crack and roll a boiled egg on Shabbat, even if the rolling will tear the letters printed on the egg?



Why I think it might be okay




  • Maybe the final Halachic ruling is more lenient than we thought; please see Rabbi Student's full article.


  • Also, maybe cracking and rolling isn't guaranteed to tear the letters; so maybe this changes things. But I currently don't have any boiled eggs handy in order to experiment with and find out.


  • Finally, rolling an egg on a table isn't the usual way of erasing letters, so maybe the problem is reduced or eliminated.



Postscript



Instead of trusting the answers here, it's best to ask your own rabbi, for many reasons.







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  • While I can't answer your question, I will say that I have many times peeled hardboiled eggs and left them in the fridge (I use a pyrex container with a lid, which seems to work better than a plastic bag) and they're completely fine a day later. Two days is also okay. I've also made egg salad which is best fresh but good the next day and edible but meh the day after that.
    – Cyn
    6 hours ago










  • If I'm not mistaken ר׳ עובדיה יוסף is lenient (as in other cases of a פסיק רישא of a דרבנן). I'm not sure, though, so am not posting an answer. Perhaps someone can find out for sure and post one.
    – msh210
    6 hours ago




















  • While I can't answer your question, I will say that I have many times peeled hardboiled eggs and left them in the fridge (I use a pyrex container with a lid, which seems to work better than a plastic bag) and they're completely fine a day later. Two days is also okay. I've also made egg salad which is best fresh but good the next day and edible but meh the day after that.
    – Cyn
    6 hours ago










  • If I'm not mistaken ר׳ עובדיה יוסף is lenient (as in other cases of a פסיק רישא of a דרבנן). I'm not sure, though, so am not posting an answer. Perhaps someone can find out for sure and post one.
    – msh210
    6 hours ago


















While I can't answer your question, I will say that I have many times peeled hardboiled eggs and left them in the fridge (I use a pyrex container with a lid, which seems to work better than a plastic bag) and they're completely fine a day later. Two days is also okay. I've also made egg salad which is best fresh but good the next day and edible but meh the day after that.
– Cyn
6 hours ago




While I can't answer your question, I will say that I have many times peeled hardboiled eggs and left them in the fridge (I use a pyrex container with a lid, which seems to work better than a plastic bag) and they're completely fine a day later. Two days is also okay. I've also made egg salad which is best fresh but good the next day and edible but meh the day after that.
– Cyn
6 hours ago












If I'm not mistaken ר׳ עובדיה יוסף is lenient (as in other cases of a פסיק רישא of a דרבנן). I'm not sure, though, so am not posting an answer. Perhaps someone can find out for sure and post one.
– msh210
6 hours ago






If I'm not mistaken ר׳ עובדיה יוסף is lenient (as in other cases of a פסיק רישא of a דרבנן). I'm not sure, though, so am not posting an answer. Perhaps someone can find out for sure and post one.
– msh210
6 hours ago












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In the English version of Shemirath Shabbath k'Hilchata (11:10), R' Yehoshua Neuwirth is strict and writes:




When removing the shell from an egg, one should be careful not to
break through any letters or designs which may be stamped on it.




You might argue that, when rolling the egg, you don't want to break the letters, and you have no use for the peel. However, not all rabbis agree that such a case of "certain outcome one doesn't benefit from" (pesik reisha de-lo nicha leih) is permitted. So, as always here, ask your rabbi.



Regarding what to do with the shell, see "Peeling a Hardboiled Egg on Shabbat".






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  • You brought a good source. But I don't understand what no use for the shell and not wanting to break the letters would help. We are dealing with mochek shelo al minas lichtov and if it's assur it's assur. (Iirc even yisroel edition of mishna berurah (from Dayan Fischer) was lenient on yom tov about cigarettes with words on them as we don't find mochek that doesn't leave the item having gotten erased [maybe that's similar to your idea?], but he admitted he was arguing on the ramma)
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    Hey, I just want to point out, this is a classic example of mekalkel(the shells get tossed after and can't be used for anything). It is permitted(since it is also davar sh'eino mitkaven). Sephardim are lenient. To prove it's mekalkel, the shells get thrown away! See Yalkut Yosef Shabbat 340:9. I'm only making this point because it's very inconvenient and may be unnecessary to worry about as a stringency. The source mentioned isn't explicit about eggs, but I'm sure the din is the same. A better source would be the psak about letters on cakes & shabbat; permitted there, too.
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In the English version of Shemirath Shabbath k'Hilchata (11:10), R' Yehoshua Neuwirth is strict and writes:




When removing the shell from an egg, one should be careful not to
break through any letters or designs which may be stamped on it.




You might argue that, when rolling the egg, you don't want to break the letters, and you have no use for the peel. However, not all rabbis agree that such a case of "certain outcome one doesn't benefit from" (pesik reisha de-lo nicha leih) is permitted. So, as always here, ask your rabbi.



Regarding what to do with the shell, see "Peeling a Hardboiled Egg on Shabbat".






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  • You brought a good source. But I don't understand what no use for the shell and not wanting to break the letters would help. We are dealing with mochek shelo al minas lichtov and if it's assur it's assur. (Iirc even yisroel edition of mishna berurah (from Dayan Fischer) was lenient on yom tov about cigarettes with words on them as we don't find mochek that doesn't leave the item having gotten erased [maybe that's similar to your idea?], but he admitted he was arguing on the ramma)
    – user6591
    6 hours ago






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    Hey, I just want to point out, this is a classic example of mekalkel(the shells get tossed after and can't be used for anything). It is permitted(since it is also davar sh'eino mitkaven). Sephardim are lenient. To prove it's mekalkel, the shells get thrown away! See Yalkut Yosef Shabbat 340:9. I'm only making this point because it's very inconvenient and may be unnecessary to worry about as a stringency. The source mentioned isn't explicit about eggs, but I'm sure the din is the same. A better source would be the psak about letters on cakes & shabbat; permitted there, too.
    – chacham Nisan
    6 hours ago


















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In the English version of Shemirath Shabbath k'Hilchata (11:10), R' Yehoshua Neuwirth is strict and writes:




When removing the shell from an egg, one should be careful not to
break through any letters or designs which may be stamped on it.




You might argue that, when rolling the egg, you don't want to break the letters, and you have no use for the peel. However, not all rabbis agree that such a case of "certain outcome one doesn't benefit from" (pesik reisha de-lo nicha leih) is permitted. So, as always here, ask your rabbi.



Regarding what to do with the shell, see "Peeling a Hardboiled Egg on Shabbat".






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  • You brought a good source. But I don't understand what no use for the shell and not wanting to break the letters would help. We are dealing with mochek shelo al minas lichtov and if it's assur it's assur. (Iirc even yisroel edition of mishna berurah (from Dayan Fischer) was lenient on yom tov about cigarettes with words on them as we don't find mochek that doesn't leave the item having gotten erased [maybe that's similar to your idea?], but he admitted he was arguing on the ramma)
    – user6591
    6 hours ago






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    Hey, I just want to point out, this is a classic example of mekalkel(the shells get tossed after and can't be used for anything). It is permitted(since it is also davar sh'eino mitkaven). Sephardim are lenient. To prove it's mekalkel, the shells get thrown away! See Yalkut Yosef Shabbat 340:9. I'm only making this point because it's very inconvenient and may be unnecessary to worry about as a stringency. The source mentioned isn't explicit about eggs, but I'm sure the din is the same. A better source would be the psak about letters on cakes & shabbat; permitted there, too.
    – chacham Nisan
    6 hours ago
















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In the English version of Shemirath Shabbath k'Hilchata (11:10), R' Yehoshua Neuwirth is strict and writes:




When removing the shell from an egg, one should be careful not to
break through any letters or designs which may be stamped on it.




You might argue that, when rolling the egg, you don't want to break the letters, and you have no use for the peel. However, not all rabbis agree that such a case of "certain outcome one doesn't benefit from" (pesik reisha de-lo nicha leih) is permitted. So, as always here, ask your rabbi.



Regarding what to do with the shell, see "Peeling a Hardboiled Egg on Shabbat".






share|improve this answer














In the English version of Shemirath Shabbath k'Hilchata (11:10), R' Yehoshua Neuwirth is strict and writes:




When removing the shell from an egg, one should be careful not to
break through any letters or designs which may be stamped on it.




You might argue that, when rolling the egg, you don't want to break the letters, and you have no use for the peel. However, not all rabbis agree that such a case of "certain outcome one doesn't benefit from" (pesik reisha de-lo nicha leih) is permitted. So, as always here, ask your rabbi.



Regarding what to do with the shell, see "Peeling a Hardboiled Egg on Shabbat".







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  • You brought a good source. But I don't understand what no use for the shell and not wanting to break the letters would help. We are dealing with mochek shelo al minas lichtov and if it's assur it's assur. (Iirc even yisroel edition of mishna berurah (from Dayan Fischer) was lenient on yom tov about cigarettes with words on them as we don't find mochek that doesn't leave the item having gotten erased [maybe that's similar to your idea?], but he admitted he was arguing on the ramma)
    – user6591
    6 hours ago






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    Hey, I just want to point out, this is a classic example of mekalkel(the shells get tossed after and can't be used for anything). It is permitted(since it is also davar sh'eino mitkaven). Sephardim are lenient. To prove it's mekalkel, the shells get thrown away! See Yalkut Yosef Shabbat 340:9. I'm only making this point because it's very inconvenient and may be unnecessary to worry about as a stringency. The source mentioned isn't explicit about eggs, but I'm sure the din is the same. A better source would be the psak about letters on cakes & shabbat; permitted there, too.
    – chacham Nisan
    6 hours ago




















  • You brought a good source. But I don't understand what no use for the shell and not wanting to break the letters would help. We are dealing with mochek shelo al minas lichtov and if it's assur it's assur. (Iirc even yisroel edition of mishna berurah (from Dayan Fischer) was lenient on yom tov about cigarettes with words on them as we don't find mochek that doesn't leave the item having gotten erased [maybe that's similar to your idea?], but he admitted he was arguing on the ramma)
    – user6591
    6 hours ago






  • 1




    Hey, I just want to point out, this is a classic example of mekalkel(the shells get tossed after and can't be used for anything). It is permitted(since it is also davar sh'eino mitkaven). Sephardim are lenient. To prove it's mekalkel, the shells get thrown away! See Yalkut Yosef Shabbat 340:9. I'm only making this point because it's very inconvenient and may be unnecessary to worry about as a stringency. The source mentioned isn't explicit about eggs, but I'm sure the din is the same. A better source would be the psak about letters on cakes & shabbat; permitted there, too.
    – chacham Nisan
    6 hours ago


















You brought a good source. But I don't understand what no use for the shell and not wanting to break the letters would help. We are dealing with mochek shelo al minas lichtov and if it's assur it's assur. (Iirc even yisroel edition of mishna berurah (from Dayan Fischer) was lenient on yom tov about cigarettes with words on them as we don't find mochek that doesn't leave the item having gotten erased [maybe that's similar to your idea?], but he admitted he was arguing on the ramma)
– user6591
6 hours ago




You brought a good source. But I don't understand what no use for the shell and not wanting to break the letters would help. We are dealing with mochek shelo al minas lichtov and if it's assur it's assur. (Iirc even yisroel edition of mishna berurah (from Dayan Fischer) was lenient on yom tov about cigarettes with words on them as we don't find mochek that doesn't leave the item having gotten erased [maybe that's similar to your idea?], but he admitted he was arguing on the ramma)
– user6591
6 hours ago




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Hey, I just want to point out, this is a classic example of mekalkel(the shells get tossed after and can't be used for anything). It is permitted(since it is also davar sh'eino mitkaven). Sephardim are lenient. To prove it's mekalkel, the shells get thrown away! See Yalkut Yosef Shabbat 340:9. I'm only making this point because it's very inconvenient and may be unnecessary to worry about as a stringency. The source mentioned isn't explicit about eggs, but I'm sure the din is the same. A better source would be the psak about letters on cakes & shabbat; permitted there, too.
– chacham Nisan
6 hours ago






Hey, I just want to point out, this is a classic example of mekalkel(the shells get tossed after and can't be used for anything). It is permitted(since it is also davar sh'eino mitkaven). Sephardim are lenient. To prove it's mekalkel, the shells get thrown away! See Yalkut Yosef Shabbat 340:9. I'm only making this point because it's very inconvenient and may be unnecessary to worry about as a stringency. The source mentioned isn't explicit about eggs, but I'm sure the din is the same. A better source would be the psak about letters on cakes & shabbat; permitted there, too.
– chacham Nisan
6 hours ago





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