Could Gandalf not have made his own One Ring?
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Sauron created The One Ring to gain control over the other ring-bearers, but it also amplified his power. Since it's a bad idea for anyone to claim The One Ring, wouldn't it be possible for Gandalf to create his own One Ring?
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Sauron created The One Ring to gain control over the other ring-bearers, but it also amplified his power. Since it's a bad idea for anyone to claim The One Ring, wouldn't it be possible for Gandalf to create his own One Ring?
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I think Gandalf the white would have the power and knowledge required but he wasn't allowed by the valar to challenge sauron directly
– TerranGaming
3 hours ago
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Maybe not the knowledge. Sauron, before joining Morgoth, was one of Aule's Maiar and would have been more specialized in making things like that. Of the Wizards, on Saruman shares a similar background.
– suchiuomizu
3 hours ago
I agree - He should just have madeThe Other Ring, to rule nearly all
– Stender
2 hours ago
Having more of these rings is kinda the opposite of what they were trying to accomplish.
– Misha R
2 hours ago
@MishaR The Gandalf Ring wouldn't have to be evil. The One Ring was evil and as such compelled it's wearer to evil. Gandalf's ring could just not do that.
– Parrotmaster
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Sauron created The One Ring to gain control over the other ring-bearers, but it also amplified his power. Since it's a bad idea for anyone to claim The One Ring, wouldn't it be possible for Gandalf to create his own One Ring?
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Sauron created The One Ring to gain control over the other ring-bearers, but it also amplified his power. Since it's a bad idea for anyone to claim The One Ring, wouldn't it be possible for Gandalf to create his own One Ring?
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I think Gandalf the white would have the power and knowledge required but he wasn't allowed by the valar to challenge sauron directly
– TerranGaming
3 hours ago
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Maybe not the knowledge. Sauron, before joining Morgoth, was one of Aule's Maiar and would have been more specialized in making things like that. Of the Wizards, on Saruman shares a similar background.
– suchiuomizu
3 hours ago
I agree - He should just have madeThe Other Ring, to rule nearly all
– Stender
2 hours ago
Having more of these rings is kinda the opposite of what they were trying to accomplish.
– Misha R
2 hours ago
@MishaR The Gandalf Ring wouldn't have to be evil. The One Ring was evil and as such compelled it's wearer to evil. Gandalf's ring could just not do that.
– Parrotmaster
2 hours ago
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I think Gandalf the white would have the power and knowledge required but he wasn't allowed by the valar to challenge sauron directly
– TerranGaming
3 hours ago
1
Maybe not the knowledge. Sauron, before joining Morgoth, was one of Aule's Maiar and would have been more specialized in making things like that. Of the Wizards, on Saruman shares a similar background.
– suchiuomizu
3 hours ago
I agree - He should just have madeThe Other Ring, to rule nearly all
– Stender
2 hours ago
Having more of these rings is kinda the opposite of what they were trying to accomplish.
– Misha R
2 hours ago
@MishaR The Gandalf Ring wouldn't have to be evil. The One Ring was evil and as such compelled it's wearer to evil. Gandalf's ring could just not do that.
– Parrotmaster
2 hours ago
I think Gandalf the white would have the power and knowledge required but he wasn't allowed by the valar to challenge sauron directly
– TerranGaming
3 hours ago
I think Gandalf the white would have the power and knowledge required but he wasn't allowed by the valar to challenge sauron directly
– TerranGaming
3 hours ago
1
1
Maybe not the knowledge. Sauron, before joining Morgoth, was one of Aule's Maiar and would have been more specialized in making things like that. Of the Wizards, on Saruman shares a similar background.
– suchiuomizu
3 hours ago
Maybe not the knowledge. Sauron, before joining Morgoth, was one of Aule's Maiar and would have been more specialized in making things like that. Of the Wizards, on Saruman shares a similar background.
– suchiuomizu
3 hours ago
I agree - He should just have made
The Other Ring, to rule nearly all– Stender
2 hours ago
I agree - He should just have made
The Other Ring, to rule nearly all– Stender
2 hours ago
Having more of these rings is kinda the opposite of what they were trying to accomplish.
– Misha R
2 hours ago
Having more of these rings is kinda the opposite of what they were trying to accomplish.
– Misha R
2 hours ago
@MishaR The Gandalf Ring wouldn't have to be evil. The One Ring was evil and as such compelled it's wearer to evil. Gandalf's ring could just not do that.
– Parrotmaster
2 hours ago
@MishaR The Gandalf Ring wouldn't have to be evil. The One Ring was evil and as such compelled it's wearer to evil. Gandalf's ring could just not do that.
– Parrotmaster
2 hours ago
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In the foreword to Lord of the Rings, Tolkien observes:
Saruman, failing to get possession of the Ring, would in the confusion and treacheries of the time have found in Mordor the missing links in his own researches into Ring-lore, and before long he would have made a Great Ring of his own with which to challenge the self-styled Ruler of Middle-earth.
Tolkien therefore definitely conceives of Saruman as being capable of making a Ring, and therefore Gandalf would presumably have been likewise capable.
However, what we can also take from that statement is that making a Ring is not a simple task; there is some "lore" involved, and we know from elsewhere that Saruman had made especial study of the Rings of Power, but yet Tolkien states that even he would have required knowledge found only in Mordor to complete his own work.
So, to summarise:
- Yes, but,
- It's neither quick nor easy, because,
- There is considerable "lore" involved, and,
- It requires hundreds or even thousands of years of dedicated study to get to a "Saruman-level" of "lore", and,
- Even then there will be missing knowledge which may only be found in Mordor.
- So for all practical purposes it's actually "No".
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It seems clear from the Appendices that Celebrimbor needed Sauron's help to learn to make even the lesser rings -- further evidence that it was hard.
– Mark Olson
57 mins ago
As mentioned in my comment to the question itself. Sauron and Saruman both started out as Maiar of Aule. This could have given both of them skill/knowledge (and possibly natural talent) in crafting things like this that Gandalf might not have possessed even if he wanted to.
– suchiuomizu
54 mins ago
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In the foreword to Lord of the Rings, Tolkien observes:
Saruman, failing to get possession of the Ring, would in the confusion and treacheries of the time have found in Mordor the missing links in his own researches into Ring-lore, and before long he would have made a Great Ring of his own with which to challenge the self-styled Ruler of Middle-earth.
Tolkien therefore definitely conceives of Saruman as being capable of making a Ring, and therefore Gandalf would presumably have been likewise capable.
However, what we can also take from that statement is that making a Ring is not a simple task; there is some "lore" involved, and we know from elsewhere that Saruman had made especial study of the Rings of Power, but yet Tolkien states that even he would have required knowledge found only in Mordor to complete his own work.
So, to summarise:
- Yes, but,
- It's neither quick nor easy, because,
- There is considerable "lore" involved, and,
- It requires hundreds or even thousands of years of dedicated study to get to a "Saruman-level" of "lore", and,
- Even then there will be missing knowledge which may only be found in Mordor.
- So for all practical purposes it's actually "No".
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It seems clear from the Appendices that Celebrimbor needed Sauron's help to learn to make even the lesser rings -- further evidence that it was hard.
– Mark Olson
57 mins ago
As mentioned in my comment to the question itself. Sauron and Saruman both started out as Maiar of Aule. This could have given both of them skill/knowledge (and possibly natural talent) in crafting things like this that Gandalf might not have possessed even if he wanted to.
– suchiuomizu
54 mins ago
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In the foreword to Lord of the Rings, Tolkien observes:
Saruman, failing to get possession of the Ring, would in the confusion and treacheries of the time have found in Mordor the missing links in his own researches into Ring-lore, and before long he would have made a Great Ring of his own with which to challenge the self-styled Ruler of Middle-earth.
Tolkien therefore definitely conceives of Saruman as being capable of making a Ring, and therefore Gandalf would presumably have been likewise capable.
However, what we can also take from that statement is that making a Ring is not a simple task; there is some "lore" involved, and we know from elsewhere that Saruman had made especial study of the Rings of Power, but yet Tolkien states that even he would have required knowledge found only in Mordor to complete his own work.
So, to summarise:
- Yes, but,
- It's neither quick nor easy, because,
- There is considerable "lore" involved, and,
- It requires hundreds or even thousands of years of dedicated study to get to a "Saruman-level" of "lore", and,
- Even then there will be missing knowledge which may only be found in Mordor.
- So for all practical purposes it's actually "No".
answered 1 hour ago
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It seems clear from the Appendices that Celebrimbor needed Sauron's help to learn to make even the lesser rings -- further evidence that it was hard.
– Mark Olson
57 mins ago
As mentioned in my comment to the question itself. Sauron and Saruman both started out as Maiar of Aule. This could have given both of them skill/knowledge (and possibly natural talent) in crafting things like this that Gandalf might not have possessed even if he wanted to.
– suchiuomizu
54 mins ago
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In the foreword to Lord of the Rings, Tolkien observes:
Saruman, failing to get possession of the Ring, would in the confusion and treacheries of the time have found in Mordor the missing links in his own researches into Ring-lore, and before long he would have made a Great Ring of his own with which to challenge the self-styled Ruler of Middle-earth.
Tolkien therefore definitely conceives of Saruman as being capable of making a Ring, and therefore Gandalf would presumably have been likewise capable.
However, what we can also take from that statement is that making a Ring is not a simple task; there is some "lore" involved, and we know from elsewhere that Saruman had made especial study of the Rings of Power, but yet Tolkien states that even he would have required knowledge found only in Mordor to complete his own work.
So, to summarise:
- Yes, but,
- It's neither quick nor easy, because,
- There is considerable "lore" involved, and,
- It requires hundreds or even thousands of years of dedicated study to get to a "Saruman-level" of "lore", and,
- Even then there will be missing knowledge which may only be found in Mordor.
- So for all practical purposes it's actually "No".
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In the foreword to Lord of the Rings, Tolkien observes:
Saruman, failing to get possession of the Ring, would in the confusion and treacheries of the time have found in Mordor the missing links in his own researches into Ring-lore, and before long he would have made a Great Ring of his own with which to challenge the self-styled Ruler of Middle-earth.
Tolkien therefore definitely conceives of Saruman as being capable of making a Ring, and therefore Gandalf would presumably have been likewise capable.
However, what we can also take from that statement is that making a Ring is not a simple task; there is some "lore" involved, and we know from elsewhere that Saruman had made especial study of the Rings of Power, but yet Tolkien states that even he would have required knowledge found only in Mordor to complete his own work.
So, to summarise:
- Yes, but,
- It's neither quick nor easy, because,
- There is considerable "lore" involved, and,
- It requires hundreds or even thousands of years of dedicated study to get to a "Saruman-level" of "lore", and,
- Even then there will be missing knowledge which may only be found in Mordor.
- So for all practical purposes it's actually "No".
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It seems clear from the Appendices that Celebrimbor needed Sauron's help to learn to make even the lesser rings -- further evidence that it was hard.
– Mark Olson
57 mins ago
As mentioned in my comment to the question itself. Sauron and Saruman both started out as Maiar of Aule. This could have given both of them skill/knowledge (and possibly natural talent) in crafting things like this that Gandalf might not have possessed even if he wanted to.
– suchiuomizu
54 mins ago
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1
It seems clear from the Appendices that Celebrimbor needed Sauron's help to learn to make even the lesser rings -- further evidence that it was hard.
– Mark Olson
57 mins ago
As mentioned in my comment to the question itself. Sauron and Saruman both started out as Maiar of Aule. This could have given both of them skill/knowledge (and possibly natural talent) in crafting things like this that Gandalf might not have possessed even if he wanted to.
– suchiuomizu
54 mins ago
1
1
It seems clear from the Appendices that Celebrimbor needed Sauron's help to learn to make even the lesser rings -- further evidence that it was hard.
– Mark Olson
57 mins ago
It seems clear from the Appendices that Celebrimbor needed Sauron's help to learn to make even the lesser rings -- further evidence that it was hard.
– Mark Olson
57 mins ago
As mentioned in my comment to the question itself. Sauron and Saruman both started out as Maiar of Aule. This could have given both of them skill/knowledge (and possibly natural talent) in crafting things like this that Gandalf might not have possessed even if he wanted to.
– suchiuomizu
54 mins ago
As mentioned in my comment to the question itself. Sauron and Saruman both started out as Maiar of Aule. This could have given both of them skill/knowledge (and possibly natural talent) in crafting things like this that Gandalf might not have possessed even if he wanted to.
– suchiuomizu
54 mins ago
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I think Gandalf the white would have the power and knowledge required but he wasn't allowed by the valar to challenge sauron directly
– TerranGaming
3 hours ago
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Maybe not the knowledge. Sauron, before joining Morgoth, was one of Aule's Maiar and would have been more specialized in making things like that. Of the Wizards, on Saruman shares a similar background.
– suchiuomizu
3 hours ago
I agree - He should just have made
The Other Ring, to rule nearly all– Stender
2 hours ago
Having more of these rings is kinda the opposite of what they were trying to accomplish.
– Misha R
2 hours ago
@MishaR The Gandalf Ring wouldn't have to be evil. The One Ring was evil and as such compelled it's wearer to evil. Gandalf's ring could just not do that.
– Parrotmaster
2 hours ago