Does “goodly” in this sentence in Hamlet mean “considerable” or "pleasing?

In Hamlet there is the following conversation:

GUILDENSTERN: Prison, my lord!

HAMLET: Denmark's a prison.

ROSENCRANTZ: Then is the world one.

HAMLET: A goodly one; in which there are many confines,
wards and dungeons, Denmark being one o' the worst.

What does "goodly" mean here? After consulting some dictionaries, I tend to think it means "considerable", "grand" in a sense of scale. However, I encountered an Italian translation (Google returns more than 500,000 entries for this search) which says

"È una bella prigione, il mondo",

It basically means "the world is a beautiful prison", which interprets "goodly" in the sense of "pleasing".

Is this just simply a mistranslation or might "goodly" also have this meaning here?

edited Jan 30 '17 at 21:35

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First of all, bello/a means a lot more than beautiful, so it's unproductive to go through Italian to get to the English meaning. Second, you should use a Shakespearean dictionary such as Shakespeare’s Words (modern dictionaries are going to concentrate on modern definitions); third, a very good edition of the individual work in question will be one that has an extensive commentary including explanations of words and phrases.
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@Clare Well I don't think I intended to "go through Italian to get to the English meaning" anyways. I just saw that sentence in Italian and thought it looked a bit weird. I traced it down to the original sentence and thus had the question. If somebody on this site has the reference/knows the answer already, fine; if not, I'm not going to lose sleep over this or likely to spend the energy to go and get an extensive edition of Hamlet just to satisfy a bit of curiosity and skepticism.
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@Clare - una bella prigione means a beautiful prison.
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– xji
Jan 30 '17 at 21:30

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As for telling/advising/recommending that the OP to brush up on his Shakespeare, when all he really wants to know is the word goodly used in one line, seems a bit excessive. The OP has done more research, showing his keenness, than 70% of the questions that are posted here.
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In Hamlet there is the following conversation:

GUILDENSTERN: Prison, my lord!

HAMLET: Denmark's a prison.

ROSENCRANTZ: Then is the world one.

HAMLET: A goodly one; in which there are many confines,
wards and dungeons, Denmark being one o' the worst.

"È una bella prigione, il mondo",

It basically means "the world is a beautiful prison", which interprets "goodly" in the sense of "pleasing".

Is this just simply a mistranslation or might "goodly" also have this meaning here?

edited Jan 30 '17 at 21:35

Hank

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asked Jan 30 '17 at 21:05

xji

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First of all, bello/a means a lot more than beautiful, so it's unproductive to go through Italian to get to the English meaning. Second, you should use a Shakespearean dictionary such as Shakespeare’s Words (modern dictionaries are going to concentrate on modern definitions); third, a very good edition of the individual work in question will be one that has an extensive commentary including explanations of words and phrases.
– Let's stop villifying Iran
Jan 30 '17 at 21:17

3

@Clare Well I don't think I intended to "go through Italian to get to the English meaning" anyways. I just saw that sentence in Italian and thought it looked a bit weird. I traced it down to the original sentence and thus had the question. If somebody on this site has the reference/knows the answer already, fine; if not, I'm not going to lose sleep over this or likely to spend the energy to go and get an extensive edition of Hamlet just to satisfy a bit of curiosity and skepticism.
– xji
Jan 30 '17 at 21:21

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@Clare - una bella prigione means a beautiful prison.
– user66974
Jan 30 '17 at 21:29

3

@Clare Anyways, if you think there's any problem with this question, just flag it and ask the mods to deal with it. Let's see what they think. If not, then please just stop posting comments which don't contribute anything to the question itself, and which might even seem hostile. I have no time for such meaningless discussion about "enthusiasm" or whatnot. And of course I have enthusiasm to start with so that I asked this question. Otherwise why did I even bother to write so much stuff? You're really in a bad mood today aren't you?
– xji
Jan 30 '17 at 21:30

5

As for telling/advising/recommending that the OP to brush up on his Shakespeare, when all he really wants to know is the word goodly used in one line, seems a bit excessive. The OP has done more research, showing his keenness, than 70% of the questions that are posted here.
– Mari-Lou A
Jan 31 '17 at 8:10

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In Hamlet there is the following conversation:

GUILDENSTERN: Prison, my lord!

HAMLET: Denmark's a prison.

ROSENCRANTZ: Then is the world one.

HAMLET: A goodly one; in which there are many confines,
wards and dungeons, Denmark being one o' the worst.

"È una bella prigione, il mondo",

It basically means "the world is a beautiful prison", which interprets "goodly" in the sense of "pleasing".

Is this just simply a mistranslation or might "goodly" also have this meaning here?

edited Jan 30 '17 at 21:35

Hank

4,73511938

asked Jan 30 '17 at 21:05

xji

3071212

In Hamlet there is the following conversation:

GUILDENSTERN: Prison, my lord!

HAMLET: Denmark's a prison.

ROSENCRANTZ: Then is the world one.

HAMLET: A goodly one; in which there are many confines,
wards and dungeons, Denmark being one o' the worst.

"È una bella prigione, il mondo",

It basically means "the world is a beautiful prison", which interprets "goodly" in the sense of "pleasing".

Is this just simply a mistranslation or might "goodly" also have this meaning here?

meaning early-modern-english shakespeare

edited Jan 30 '17 at 21:35

Hank

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asked Jan 30 '17 at 21:05

xji

3071212

edited Jan 30 '17 at 21:35

Hank

4,73511938

asked Jan 30 '17 at 21:05

xji

3071212

edited Jan 30 '17 at 21:35

Hank

4,73511938

edited Jan 30 '17 at 21:35

Hank

4,73511938

edited Jan 30 '17 at 21:35

Hank

4,73511938

asked Jan 30 '17 at 21:05

xji

3071212

asked Jan 30 '17 at 21:05

xji

3071212

asked Jan 30 '17 at 21:05

xji

3071212

3

First of all, bello/a means a lot more than beautiful, so it's unproductive to go through Italian to get to the English meaning. Second, you should use a Shakespearean dictionary such as Shakespeare’s Words (modern dictionaries are going to concentrate on modern definitions); third, a very good edition of the individual work in question will be one that has an extensive commentary including explanations of words and phrases.
– Let's stop villifying Iran
Jan 30 '17 at 21:17

3

@Clare Well I don't think I intended to "go through Italian to get to the English meaning" anyways. I just saw that sentence in Italian and thought it looked a bit weird. I traced it down to the original sentence and thus had the question. If somebody on this site has the reference/knows the answer already, fine; if not, I'm not going to lose sleep over this or likely to spend the energy to go and get an extensive edition of Hamlet just to satisfy a bit of curiosity and skepticism.
– xji
Jan 30 '17 at 21:21

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@Clare - una bella prigione means a beautiful prison.
– user66974
Jan 30 '17 at 21:29

3

@Clare Anyways, if you think there's any problem with this question, just flag it and ask the mods to deal with it. Let's see what they think. If not, then please just stop posting comments which don't contribute anything to the question itself, and which might even seem hostile. I have no time for such meaningless discussion about "enthusiasm" or whatnot. And of course I have enthusiasm to start with so that I asked this question. Otherwise why did I even bother to write so much stuff? You're really in a bad mood today aren't you?
– xji
Jan 30 '17 at 21:30

5

As for telling/advising/recommending that the OP to brush up on his Shakespeare, when all he really wants to know is the word goodly used in one line, seems a bit excessive. The OP has done more research, showing his keenness, than 70% of the questions that are posted here.
– Mari-Lou A
Jan 31 '17 at 8:10

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show 8 more comments

3

First of all, bello/a means a lot more than beautiful, so it's unproductive to go through Italian to get to the English meaning. Second, you should use a Shakespearean dictionary such as Shakespeare’s Words (modern dictionaries are going to concentrate on modern definitions); third, a very good edition of the individual work in question will be one that has an extensive commentary including explanations of words and phrases.
– Let's stop villifying Iran
Jan 30 '17 at 21:17

3

@Clare Well I don't think I intended to "go through Italian to get to the English meaning" anyways. I just saw that sentence in Italian and thought it looked a bit weird. I traced it down to the original sentence and thus had the question. If somebody on this site has the reference/knows the answer already, fine; if not, I'm not going to lose sleep over this or likely to spend the energy to go and get an extensive edition of Hamlet just to satisfy a bit of curiosity and skepticism.
– xji
Jan 30 '17 at 21:21

4

@Clare - una bella prigione means a beautiful prison.
– user66974
Jan 30 '17 at 21:29

3

@Clare Anyways, if you think there's any problem with this question, just flag it and ask the mods to deal with it. Let's see what they think. If not, then please just stop posting comments which don't contribute anything to the question itself, and which might even seem hostile. I have no time for such meaningless discussion about "enthusiasm" or whatnot. And of course I have enthusiasm to start with so that I asked this question. Otherwise why did I even bother to write so much stuff? You're really in a bad mood today aren't you?
– xji
Jan 30 '17 at 21:30

5

As for telling/advising/recommending that the OP to brush up on his Shakespeare, when all he really wants to know is the word goodly used in one line, seems a bit excessive. The OP has done more research, showing his keenness, than 70% of the questions that are posted here.
– Mari-Lou A
Jan 31 '17 at 8:10

First of all, bello/a means a lot more than beautiful, so it's unproductive to go through Italian to get to the English meaning. Second, you should use a Shakespearean dictionary such as Shakespeare’s Words (modern dictionaries are going to concentrate on modern definitions); third, a very good edition of the individual work in question will be one that has an extensive commentary including explanations of words and phrases.
– Let's stop villifying Iran
Jan 30 '17 at 21:17

@Clare Well I don't think I intended to "go through Italian to get to the English meaning" anyways. I just saw that sentence in Italian and thought it looked a bit weird. I traced it down to the original sentence and thus had the question. If somebody on this site has the reference/knows the answer already, fine; if not, I'm not going to lose sleep over this or likely to spend the energy to go and get an extensive edition of Hamlet just to satisfy a bit of curiosity and skepticism.
– xji
Jan 30 '17 at 21:21

@Clare - una bella prigione means a beautiful prison.
– user66974
Jan 30 '17 at 21:29

@Clare Anyways, if you think there's any problem with this question, just flag it and ask the mods to deal with it. Let's see what they think. If not, then please just stop posting comments which don't contribute anything to the question itself, and which might even seem hostile. I have no time for such meaningless discussion about "enthusiasm" or whatnot. And of course I have enthusiasm to start with so that I asked this question. Otherwise why did I even bother to write so much stuff? You're really in a bad mood today aren't you?
– xji
Jan 30 '17 at 21:30

As for telling/advising/recommending that the OP to brush up on his Shakespeare, when all he really wants to know is the word goodly used in one line, seems a bit excessive. The OP has done more research, showing his keenness, than 70% of the questions that are posted here.
– Mari-Lou A
Jan 31 '17 at 8:10

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Although goodly at this point means "of considerable size", this was not the meaning that Shakespeare intended. Goodly has quite a few other archaic and rare definitions. I believe the Italian translation was accurate, and the intended (now archaic) sense was:

Of good or pleasing appearance; handsome, beautiful, good-looking; comely, fair.
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answered Jan 31 '17 at 1:44

Laurel

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Yeah, even though one is tempted to define it as "yuge", likely what Shaky meant was basically "good", with a bit of emphasis.
– Hot Licks
Jan 31 '17 at 1:56

I stand corrected. I had always thought Hamlet was saying that the world was a prison of "sufficient means." The notion that it was a pleasing, beautiful prison never came to mind.
– Airymouse
Jan 31 '17 at 2:27

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I don’t quite follow this answer — why do you feel that this is what Shakespeare intended? Is there a reason why you feel the reading with “good” fits the context better, or a source that in Shakespeare’s time “good” was the more common meaning? Since the reading with “large” seems to make just as much sense, and “large” is by the more common meaning of “goodly”, I feel this answer needs some kind of justification.
– PLL
Jan 31 '17 at 12:49

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From the context "large" makes more sense to me. The next sentence talks about the many countries the world contains. It contrast the "big prison" (the world) with the small prison (Denmark). So like @PLL I'd like to see some evidence that your interpretation is what the author intended. (And of course there is always the possibility of deliberate ambiguity)
– CodesInChaos
Jan 31 '17 at 12:58

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The online Oxford dictionary is not a "free version" of the OED. In addition, you have picked out one meaning of goodly given in the OED and given no justification beyond your opinion.
– Let's stop villifying Iran
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In day-to-day talk, goodly means sizable or large. Like "I drank a goodly amount of orange juice, and I now feel sick." Since the world is much larger than Denmark and in the story is described as having "many confines", then goodly in this instance would most likely also mean large. I'm assuming the Italian version was just a mistranslation.

Hope this helps!

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What support do you have for this? Is it just an opinion or a fact-based answer?
– Hank
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That's irrelevant. This site is a resource site, meaning the content on here is meant to help more than just the OP. If someone stumbled upon your answer, they will be less likely to take it seriously because it's just an opinion. Answers that provide links in support of their opinions will be more credible. How are we supposed to know you did't just make it all up. My point is, provide sources and links to backup your opinions.
– Hank
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Thanks for the feedback Hank! I was just trying to give a quick input, but in future I'll try provide better sources for my answers and do a bit more research.
– Help Me
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I hope I didn't come off crass. Just helping out for current and future answers :)
– Hank
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I have to say that there are times when an opinion is all that counts. Not everything can be googled, thank God. And I agree with this answer.
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The OED says that both sizable and handsome were possible meanings for goodly in Shakespeare's time, so the 16th century meaning of the word does not help.

We can look for help to other translations of Hamlet, and we discover that there is considerable support among these for the sizable meaning. As some of the comments speculate, it's quite possible that Shakespeare meant the word to carry both meanings.

The No Fear Shakespeare supports the "sizable" meaning. It "translates" this passage as:

Hamlet: Denmark’s a prison.

Rosencrantz: Then I guess the whole world is one.

Hamlet: Yes, quite a large one, with many cells and dungeons, Denmark being one of the worst.

The French translation of Hamlet also supports the "sizable" meaning. It translates this passage as:

HAMLET. − Le Danemark est une prison.

ROSENCRANTZ. − Alors le monde en est une aussi.

HAMLET. − Une vaste prison, dans laquelle il y a beaucoup de cellules, de cachots et de donjons. Le Danemark est un des pires. [emphasis added]

The French word vaste means vast.

The German translation manages to avoid the problem by choosing the word stattlich, which can mean impressive, imposing or handsome.

Hamlet.

Dännemark ist ein Kerker.

Rosenkranz.

So ist die ganze Welt einer.

Hamlet.

Ein recht stattlicher, worinn viele Thürme, Gefängnisse und Löcher sind, unter denen Dännemark eines der ärgsten ist.

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https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/goodly

goodly
adjective

1 Considerable in size or quantity: ‘a goodly number of our countrymen’



2 archaic Attractive, excellent, or admirable.

I'd suggest that in this sense it takes the archaic meaning "excellent" - and I'd dispute the allegation of archaic...

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Of good or pleasing appearance; handsome, beautiful, good-looking; comely, fair.
_{OED (the premium version, since the free version is too brief)}

answered Jan 31 '17 at 1:44

Laurel

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Yeah, even though one is tempted to define it as "yuge", likely what Shaky meant was basically "good", with a bit of emphasis.
– Hot Licks
Jan 31 '17 at 1:56

I stand corrected. I had always thought Hamlet was saying that the world was a prison of "sufficient means." The notion that it was a pleasing, beautiful prison never came to mind.
– Airymouse
Jan 31 '17 at 2:27

4

I don’t quite follow this answer — why do you feel that this is what Shakespeare intended? Is there a reason why you feel the reading with “good” fits the context better, or a source that in Shakespeare’s time “good” was the more common meaning? Since the reading with “large” seems to make just as much sense, and “large” is by the more common meaning of “goodly”, I feel this answer needs some kind of justification.
– PLL
Jan 31 '17 at 12:49

1

From the context "large" makes more sense to me. The next sentence talks about the many countries the world contains. It contrast the "big prison" (the world) with the small prison (Denmark). So like @PLL I'd like to see some evidence that your interpretation is what the author intended. (And of course there is always the possibility of deliberate ambiguity)
– CodesInChaos
Jan 31 '17 at 12:58

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The online Oxford dictionary is not a "free version" of the OED. In addition, you have picked out one meaning of goodly given in the OED and given no justification beyond your opinion.
– Let's stop villifying Iran
Jan 31 '17 at 15:57

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Of good or pleasing appearance; handsome, beautiful, good-looking; comely, fair.
_{OED (the premium version, since the free version is too brief)}

answered Jan 31 '17 at 1:44

Laurel

31.3k660111

Yeah, even though one is tempted to define it as "yuge", likely what Shaky meant was basically "good", with a bit of emphasis.
– Hot Licks
Jan 31 '17 at 1:56

I stand corrected. I had always thought Hamlet was saying that the world was a prison of "sufficient means." The notion that it was a pleasing, beautiful prison never came to mind.
– Airymouse
Jan 31 '17 at 2:27

4

I don’t quite follow this answer — why do you feel that this is what Shakespeare intended? Is there a reason why you feel the reading with “good” fits the context better, or a source that in Shakespeare’s time “good” was the more common meaning? Since the reading with “large” seems to make just as much sense, and “large” is by the more common meaning of “goodly”, I feel this answer needs some kind of justification.
– PLL
Jan 31 '17 at 12:49

1

From the context "large" makes more sense to me. The next sentence talks about the many countries the world contains. It contrast the "big prison" (the world) with the small prison (Denmark). So like @PLL I'd like to see some evidence that your interpretation is what the author intended. (And of course there is always the possibility of deliberate ambiguity)
– CodesInChaos
Jan 31 '17 at 12:58

1

The online Oxford dictionary is not a "free version" of the OED. In addition, you have picked out one meaning of goodly given in the OED and given no justification beyond your opinion.
– Let's stop villifying Iran
Jan 31 '17 at 15:57

|
show 1 more comment

Of good or pleasing appearance; handsome, beautiful, good-looking; comely, fair.
_{OED (the premium version, since the free version is too brief)}

answered Jan 31 '17 at 1:44

Laurel

31.3k660111

Of good or pleasing appearance; handsome, beautiful, good-looking; comely, fair.
_{OED (the premium version, since the free version is too brief)}

answered Jan 31 '17 at 1:44

Laurel

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answered Jan 31 '17 at 1:44

Laurel

31.3k660111

answered Jan 31 '17 at 1:44

Laurel

31.3k660111

answered Jan 31 '17 at 1:44

Laurel

31.3k660111

Yeah, even though one is tempted to define it as "yuge", likely what Shaky meant was basically "good", with a bit of emphasis.
– Hot Licks
Jan 31 '17 at 1:56

I stand corrected. I had always thought Hamlet was saying that the world was a prison of "sufficient means." The notion that it was a pleasing, beautiful prison never came to mind.
– Airymouse
Jan 31 '17 at 2:27

4

I don’t quite follow this answer — why do you feel that this is what Shakespeare intended? Is there a reason why you feel the reading with “good” fits the context better, or a source that in Shakespeare’s time “good” was the more common meaning? Since the reading with “large” seems to make just as much sense, and “large” is by the more common meaning of “goodly”, I feel this answer needs some kind of justification.
– PLL
Jan 31 '17 at 12:49

1

From the context "large" makes more sense to me. The next sentence talks about the many countries the world contains. It contrast the "big prison" (the world) with the small prison (Denmark). So like @PLL I'd like to see some evidence that your interpretation is what the author intended. (And of course there is always the possibility of deliberate ambiguity)
– CodesInChaos
Jan 31 '17 at 12:58

1

The online Oxford dictionary is not a "free version" of the OED. In addition, you have picked out one meaning of goodly given in the OED and given no justification beyond your opinion.
– Let's stop villifying Iran
Jan 31 '17 at 15:57

|
show 1 more comment

Yeah, even though one is tempted to define it as "yuge", likely what Shaky meant was basically "good", with a bit of emphasis.
– Hot Licks
Jan 31 '17 at 1:56

I stand corrected. I had always thought Hamlet was saying that the world was a prison of "sufficient means." The notion that it was a pleasing, beautiful prison never came to mind.
– Airymouse
Jan 31 '17 at 2:27

4

I don’t quite follow this answer — why do you feel that this is what Shakespeare intended? Is there a reason why you feel the reading with “good” fits the context better, or a source that in Shakespeare’s time “good” was the more common meaning? Since the reading with “large” seems to make just as much sense, and “large” is by the more common meaning of “goodly”, I feel this answer needs some kind of justification.
– PLL
Jan 31 '17 at 12:49

1

From the context "large" makes more sense to me. The next sentence talks about the many countries the world contains. It contrast the "big prison" (the world) with the small prison (Denmark). So like @PLL I'd like to see some evidence that your interpretation is what the author intended. (And of course there is always the possibility of deliberate ambiguity)
– CodesInChaos
Jan 31 '17 at 12:58

1

The online Oxford dictionary is not a "free version" of the OED. In addition, you have picked out one meaning of goodly given in the OED and given no justification beyond your opinion.
– Let's stop villifying Iran
Jan 31 '17 at 15:57

Yeah, even though one is tempted to define it as "yuge", likely what Shaky meant was basically "good", with a bit of emphasis.
– Hot Licks
Jan 31 '17 at 1:56

I stand corrected. I had always thought Hamlet was saying that the world was a prison of "sufficient means." The notion that it was a pleasing, beautiful prison never came to mind.
– Airymouse
Jan 31 '17 at 2:27

I don’t quite follow this answer — why do you feel that this is what Shakespeare intended? Is there a reason why you feel the reading with “good” fits the context better, or a source that in Shakespeare’s time “good” was the more common meaning? Since the reading with “large” seems to make just as much sense, and “large” is by the more common meaning of “goodly”, I feel this answer needs some kind of justification.
– PLL
Jan 31 '17 at 12:49

From the context "large" makes more sense to me. The next sentence talks about the many countries the world contains. It contrast the "big prison" (the world) with the small prison (Denmark). So like @PLL I'd like to see some evidence that your interpretation is what the author intended. (And of course there is always the possibility of deliberate ambiguity)
– CodesInChaos
Jan 31 '17 at 12:58

The online Oxford dictionary is not a "free version" of the OED. In addition, you have picked out one meaning of goodly given in the OED and given no justification beyond your opinion.
– Let's stop villifying Iran
Jan 31 '17 at 15:57

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Hope this helps!

edited Jan 30 '17 at 21:12

answered Jan 30 '17 at 21:11

Help Me

772

1

What support do you have for this? Is it just an opinion or a fact-based answer?
– Hank
Jan 30 '17 at 21:12

2

That's irrelevant. This site is a resource site, meaning the content on here is meant to help more than just the OP. If someone stumbled upon your answer, they will be less likely to take it seriously because it's just an opinion. Answers that provide links in support of their opinions will be more credible. How are we supposed to know you did't just make it all up. My point is, provide sources and links to backup your opinions.
– Hank
Jan 30 '17 at 21:18

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Thanks for the feedback Hank! I was just trying to give a quick input, but in future I'll try provide better sources for my answers and do a bit more research.
– Help Me
Jan 30 '17 at 21:21

1

I hope I didn't come off crass. Just helping out for current and future answers :)
– Hank
Jan 30 '17 at 21:22

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I have to say that there are times when an opinion is all that counts. Not everything can be googled, thank God. And I agree with this answer.
– Lambie
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Hope this helps!

edited Jan 30 '17 at 21:12

answered Jan 30 '17 at 21:11

Help Me

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What support do you have for this? Is it just an opinion or a fact-based answer?
– Hank
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That's irrelevant. This site is a resource site, meaning the content on here is meant to help more than just the OP. If someone stumbled upon your answer, they will be less likely to take it seriously because it's just an opinion. Answers that provide links in support of their opinions will be more credible. How are we supposed to know you did't just make it all up. My point is, provide sources and links to backup your opinions.
– Hank
Jan 30 '17 at 21:18

2

Thanks for the feedback Hank! I was just trying to give a quick input, but in future I'll try provide better sources for my answers and do a bit more research.
– Help Me
Jan 30 '17 at 21:21

1

I hope I didn't come off crass. Just helping out for current and future answers :)
– Hank
Jan 30 '17 at 21:22

2

I have to say that there are times when an opinion is all that counts. Not everything can be googled, thank God. And I agree with this answer.
– Lambie
Jan 30 '17 at 21:30

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Hope this helps!

edited Jan 30 '17 at 21:12

answered Jan 30 '17 at 21:11

Help Me

772

Hope this helps!

edited Jan 30 '17 at 21:12

answered Jan 30 '17 at 21:11

Help Me

772

edited Jan 30 '17 at 21:12

answered Jan 30 '17 at 21:11

Help Me

772

answered Jan 30 '17 at 21:11

Help Me

772

answered Jan 30 '17 at 21:11

Help Me

772

1

What support do you have for this? Is it just an opinion or a fact-based answer?
– Hank
Jan 30 '17 at 21:12

2

That's irrelevant. This site is a resource site, meaning the content on here is meant to help more than just the OP. If someone stumbled upon your answer, they will be less likely to take it seriously because it's just an opinion. Answers that provide links in support of their opinions will be more credible. How are we supposed to know you did't just make it all up. My point is, provide sources and links to backup your opinions.
– Hank
Jan 30 '17 at 21:18

2

Thanks for the feedback Hank! I was just trying to give a quick input, but in future I'll try provide better sources for my answers and do a bit more research.
– Help Me
Jan 30 '17 at 21:21

1

I hope I didn't come off crass. Just helping out for current and future answers :)
– Hank
Jan 30 '17 at 21:22

2

I have to say that there are times when an opinion is all that counts. Not everything can be googled, thank God. And I agree with this answer.
– Lambie
Jan 30 '17 at 21:30

|
show 2 more comments

1

What support do you have for this? Is it just an opinion or a fact-based answer?
– Hank
Jan 30 '17 at 21:12

2

That's irrelevant. This site is a resource site, meaning the content on here is meant to help more than just the OP. If someone stumbled upon your answer, they will be less likely to take it seriously because it's just an opinion. Answers that provide links in support of their opinions will be more credible. How are we supposed to know you did't just make it all up. My point is, provide sources and links to backup your opinions.
– Hank
Jan 30 '17 at 21:18

2

Thanks for the feedback Hank! I was just trying to give a quick input, but in future I'll try provide better sources for my answers and do a bit more research.
– Help Me
Jan 30 '17 at 21:21

1

I hope I didn't come off crass. Just helping out for current and future answers :)
– Hank
Jan 30 '17 at 21:22

2

I have to say that there are times when an opinion is all that counts. Not everything can be googled, thank God. And I agree with this answer.
– Lambie
Jan 30 '17 at 21:30

What support do you have for this? Is it just an opinion or a fact-based answer?
– Hank
Jan 30 '17 at 21:12

That's irrelevant. This site is a resource site, meaning the content on here is meant to help more than just the OP. If someone stumbled upon your answer, they will be less likely to take it seriously because it's just an opinion. Answers that provide links in support of their opinions will be more credible. How are we supposed to know you did't just make it all up. My point is, provide sources and links to backup your opinions.
– Hank
Jan 30 '17 at 21:18

Thanks for the feedback Hank! I was just trying to give a quick input, but in future I'll try provide better sources for my answers and do a bit more research.
– Help Me
Jan 30 '17 at 21:21

I hope I didn't come off crass. Just helping out for current and future answers :)
– Hank
Jan 30 '17 at 21:22

I have to say that there are times when an opinion is all that counts. Not everything can be googled, thank God. And I agree with this answer.
– Lambie
Jan 30 '17 at 21:30

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The OED says that both sizable and handsome were possible meanings for goodly in Shakespeare's time, so the 16th century meaning of the word does not help.

The No Fear Shakespeare supports the "sizable" meaning. It "translates" this passage as:

Hamlet: Denmark’s a prison.

Rosencrantz: Then I guess the whole world is one.

Hamlet: Yes, quite a large one, with many cells and dungeons, Denmark being one of the worst.

The French translation of Hamlet also supports the "sizable" meaning. It translates this passage as:

HAMLET. − Le Danemark est une prison.

ROSENCRANTZ. − Alors le monde en est une aussi.

HAMLET. − Une vaste prison, dans laquelle il y a beaucoup de cellules, de cachots et de donjons. Le Danemark est un des pires. [emphasis added]

The French word vaste means vast.

The German translation manages to avoid the problem by choosing the word stattlich, which can mean impressive, imposing or handsome.

Hamlet.

Dännemark ist ein Kerker.

Rosenkranz.

So ist die ganze Welt einer.

Hamlet.

Ein recht stattlicher, worinn viele Thürme, Gefängnisse und Löcher sind, unter denen Dännemark eines der ärgsten ist.

edited Feb 4 '17 at 17:00

answered Feb 4 '17 at 16:34

Peter Shor

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The OED says that both sizable and handsome were possible meanings for goodly in Shakespeare's time, so the 16th century meaning of the word does not help.

The No Fear Shakespeare supports the "sizable" meaning. It "translates" this passage as:

Hamlet: Denmark’s a prison.

Rosencrantz: Then I guess the whole world is one.

Hamlet: Yes, quite a large one, with many cells and dungeons, Denmark being one of the worst.

The French translation of Hamlet also supports the "sizable" meaning. It translates this passage as:

HAMLET. − Le Danemark est une prison.

ROSENCRANTZ. − Alors le monde en est une aussi.

HAMLET. − Une vaste prison, dans laquelle il y a beaucoup de cellules, de cachots et de donjons. Le Danemark est un des pires. [emphasis added]

The French word vaste means vast.

The German translation manages to avoid the problem by choosing the word stattlich, which can mean impressive, imposing or handsome.

Hamlet.

Dännemark ist ein Kerker.

Rosenkranz.

So ist die ganze Welt einer.

Hamlet.

Ein recht stattlicher, worinn viele Thürme, Gefängnisse und Löcher sind, unter denen Dännemark eines der ärgsten ist.

edited Feb 4 '17 at 17:00

answered Feb 4 '17 at 16:34

Peter Shor

61.7k5117221

add a comment |

The OED says that both sizable and handsome were possible meanings for goodly in Shakespeare's time, so the 16th century meaning of the word does not help.

The No Fear Shakespeare supports the "sizable" meaning. It "translates" this passage as:

Hamlet: Denmark’s a prison.

Rosencrantz: Then I guess the whole world is one.

Hamlet: Yes, quite a large one, with many cells and dungeons, Denmark being one of the worst.

The French translation of Hamlet also supports the "sizable" meaning. It translates this passage as:

HAMLET. − Le Danemark est une prison.

ROSENCRANTZ. − Alors le monde en est une aussi.

HAMLET. − Une vaste prison, dans laquelle il y a beaucoup de cellules, de cachots et de donjons. Le Danemark est un des pires. [emphasis added]

The French word vaste means vast.

The German translation manages to avoid the problem by choosing the word stattlich, which can mean impressive, imposing or handsome.

Hamlet.

Dännemark ist ein Kerker.

Rosenkranz.

So ist die ganze Welt einer.

Hamlet.

Ein recht stattlicher, worinn viele Thürme, Gefängnisse und Löcher sind, unter denen Dännemark eines der ärgsten ist.

edited Feb 4 '17 at 17:00

answered Feb 4 '17 at 16:34

Peter Shor

61.7k5117221

The OED says that both sizable and handsome were possible meanings for goodly in Shakespeare's time, so the 16th century meaning of the word does not help.

The No Fear Shakespeare supports the "sizable" meaning. It "translates" this passage as:

Hamlet: Denmark’s a prison.

Rosencrantz: Then I guess the whole world is one.

Hamlet: Yes, quite a large one, with many cells and dungeons, Denmark being one of the worst.

The French translation of Hamlet also supports the "sizable" meaning. It translates this passage as:

HAMLET. − Le Danemark est une prison.

ROSENCRANTZ. − Alors le monde en est une aussi.

HAMLET. − Une vaste prison, dans laquelle il y a beaucoup de cellules, de cachots et de donjons. Le Danemark est un des pires. [emphasis added]

The French word vaste means vast.

The German translation manages to avoid the problem by choosing the word stattlich, which can mean impressive, imposing or handsome.

Hamlet.

Dännemark ist ein Kerker.

Rosenkranz.

So ist die ganze Welt einer.

Hamlet.

Ein recht stattlicher, worinn viele Thürme, Gefängnisse und Löcher sind, unter denen Dännemark eines der ärgsten ist.

edited Feb 4 '17 at 17:00

answered Feb 4 '17 at 16:34

Peter Shor

61.7k5117221

edited Feb 4 '17 at 17:00

answered Feb 4 '17 at 16:34

Peter Shor

61.7k5117221

answered Feb 4 '17 at 16:34

Peter Shor

61.7k5117221

answered Feb 4 '17 at 16:34

Peter Shor

61.7k5117221

add a comment |

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/goodly

goodly
adjective

1 Considerable in size or quantity: ‘a goodly number of our countrymen’



2 archaic Attractive, excellent, or admirable.

I'd suggest that in this sense it takes the archaic meaning "excellent" - and I'd dispute the allegation of archaic...

answered Jan 31 '17 at 9:19

Magoo

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https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/goodly

goodly
adjective

1 Considerable in size or quantity: ‘a goodly number of our countrymen’



2 archaic Attractive, excellent, or admirable.

I'd suggest that in this sense it takes the archaic meaning "excellent" - and I'd dispute the allegation of archaic...

answered Jan 31 '17 at 9:19

Magoo

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add a comment |

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/goodly

goodly
adjective

1 Considerable in size or quantity: ‘a goodly number of our countrymen’



2 archaic Attractive, excellent, or admirable.

I'd suggest that in this sense it takes the archaic meaning "excellent" - and I'd dispute the allegation of archaic...

answered Jan 31 '17 at 9:19

Magoo

93968

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/goodly

goodly
adjective

1 Considerable in size or quantity: ‘a goodly number of our countrymen’



2 archaic Attractive, excellent, or admirable.

I'd suggest that in this sense it takes the archaic meaning "excellent" - and I'd dispute the allegation of archaic...

answered Jan 31 '17 at 9:19

Magoo

93968

answered Jan 31 '17 at 9:19

Magoo

93968

answered Jan 31 '17 at 9:19

Magoo

93968

answered Jan 31 '17 at 9:19

Magoo

93968

add a comment |

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