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So, in my world, a nuclear war engulfed the Earth in the autumn of 1962. It is now the year 2568. In my story, a cult of mutants known as “The Followers Of Uranius” have sprung up in Kansas City. Their leader, Derryk, is convinced that the nuclear warhead inside of a silo is a holy divine being, and that he must act as its prophet. The Followers eventually get conquered by the Empire up north, but Derryk has different plans in mind. Not wanting to see Uranius fall into the hands of the empire, he activates the bomb, and within secon-



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The Followers, Imperials, Derryk, and Kansas City are all vaporized in an instantaneous flash of heat.



So, my question is, would it be possible for a nuclear warhead to stay usable for that long (a period of 600 years)? If not, is there any alternative that I could use?



-The Followers don't actually live in Kansas City, they just think they do. They are actually farther out in Missouri, and just call their settlement Kansas City










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    As a fellow world builder, I should point out that many people are familiar with that idea because that what happens in the popular video game fallout 3 if you get what I mean
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    @elemtilas, Even if the two accounts weren't related, this isn't a duplicate. That's an erroneous vote. The two questions are based in the same world, but they're not the same question. The old one is asking about the effects of ignition, this is asking about the plausibility of long-term storage.
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So, in my world, a nuclear war engulfed the Earth in the autumn of 1962. It is now the year 2568. In my story, a cult of mutants known as “The Followers Of Uranius” have sprung up in Kansas City. Their leader, Derryk, is convinced that the nuclear warhead inside of a silo is a holy divine being, and that he must act as its prophet. The Followers eventually get conquered by the Empire up north, but Derryk has different plans in mind. Not wanting to see Uranius fall into the hands of the empire, he activates the bomb, and within secon-



enter image description here



The Followers, Imperials, Derryk, and Kansas City are all vaporized in an instantaneous flash of heat.



So, my question is, would it be possible for a nuclear warhead to stay usable for that long (a period of 600 years)? If not, is there any alternative that I could use?



-The Followers don't actually live in Kansas City, they just think they do. They are actually farther out in Missouri, and just call their settlement Kansas City










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    As a fellow world builder, I should point out that many people are familiar with that idea because that what happens in the popular video game fallout 3 if you get what I mean
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    Are you Justin? He asked this question back in June: worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/questions/116586/… And now you ask the same scenario, same actors, same location, same "Worshippers Of Uranius". VTC for plagiarism if you aren't Justin. Do try and come up with a more original duplicate question next time.
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    @elemtilas, Even if the two accounts weren't related, this isn't a duplicate. That's an erroneous vote. The two questions are based in the same world, but they're not the same question. The old one is asking about the effects of ignition, this is asking about the plausibility of long-term storage.
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    @JBH -- Fair point. Didn't read deeply enough. Robert -- Try not to make a lot of throw away accounts! It's confusing.
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    If this is actually intended for releasable material, you would be wise to make sure you’re not violating copyright terms of Fallout 3 (fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Church_of_the_Children_of_Atom)
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So, in my world, a nuclear war engulfed the Earth in the autumn of 1962. It is now the year 2568. In my story, a cult of mutants known as “The Followers Of Uranius” have sprung up in Kansas City. Their leader, Derryk, is convinced that the nuclear warhead inside of a silo is a holy divine being, and that he must act as its prophet. The Followers eventually get conquered by the Empire up north, but Derryk has different plans in mind. Not wanting to see Uranius fall into the hands of the empire, he activates the bomb, and within secon-



enter image description here



The Followers, Imperials, Derryk, and Kansas City are all vaporized in an instantaneous flash of heat.



So, my question is, would it be possible for a nuclear warhead to stay usable for that long (a period of 600 years)? If not, is there any alternative that I could use?



-The Followers don't actually live in Kansas City, they just think they do. They are actually farther out in Missouri, and just call their settlement Kansas City










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So, in my world, a nuclear war engulfed the Earth in the autumn of 1962. It is now the year 2568. In my story, a cult of mutants known as “The Followers Of Uranius” have sprung up in Kansas City. Their leader, Derryk, is convinced that the nuclear warhead inside of a silo is a holy divine being, and that he must act as its prophet. The Followers eventually get conquered by the Empire up north, but Derryk has different plans in mind. Not wanting to see Uranius fall into the hands of the empire, he activates the bomb, and within secon-



enter image description here



The Followers, Imperials, Derryk, and Kansas City are all vaporized in an instantaneous flash of heat.



So, my question is, would it be possible for a nuclear warhead to stay usable for that long (a period of 600 years)? If not, is there any alternative that I could use?



-The Followers don't actually live in Kansas City, they just think they do. They are actually farther out in Missouri, and just call their settlement Kansas City







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    As a fellow world builder, I should point out that many people are familiar with that idea because that what happens in the popular video game fallout 3 if you get what I mean
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    Are you Justin? He asked this question back in June: worldbuilding.stackexchange.com/questions/116586/… And now you ask the same scenario, same actors, same location, same "Worshippers Of Uranius". VTC for plagiarism if you aren't Justin. Do try and come up with a more original duplicate question next time.
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    @elemtilas, Even if the two accounts weren't related, this isn't a duplicate. That's an erroneous vote. The two questions are based in the same world, but they're not the same question. The old one is asking about the effects of ignition, this is asking about the plausibility of long-term storage.
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    @JBH -- Fair point. Didn't read deeply enough. Robert -- Try not to make a lot of throw away accounts! It's confusing.
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    @JBH -- Fair point. Didn't read deeply enough. Robert -- Try not to make a lot of throw away accounts! It's confusing.
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    If this is actually intended for releasable material, you would be wise to make sure you’re not violating copyright terms of Fallout 3 (fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Church_of_the_Children_of_Atom)
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@elemtilas, Even if the two accounts weren't related, this isn't a duplicate. That's an erroneous vote. The two questions are based in the same world, but they're not the same question. The old one is asking about the effects of ignition, this is asking about the plausibility of long-term storage.
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So, first of all, there's no nuclear warhead ever developed that will last six hundred years, for a variety of reasons:




  1. High explosives (required as the triggering device for the nuclear weapon) degrade quickly, even when stabilized versions are used. RDX (the C-family of explosives) has a recommended shelf life of five years. Even the most optimistic chemist wouldn't give you more than fifty years of reliable behaviour from a plastic explosive, and you need exquisitely reliable behaviour for a thermonuclear detonation.

  2. All the ICBMs in 1962 carried thermonuclear warheads (because the things weren't nearly precise enough to use anything less). Tritium is an essential component in a fusion weapon - and it has a half-life of 12 years. That means that, depending on how overengineered the weapon was to start, in as little as 6 years without maintenance, the bomb would only produce a fizzle yield.

  3. The lensed charges (fission bombs) required to create a thermonuclear yield use a particular crystal structure in their plutonium to achieve a "shaped charge" effect. (With a lot of room for error, obviously). Six hundred years of heat (from radioactive decay) and the decay itself would probably wreak havoc on that structure.


So, the high explosives won't work, and if they did, the fission devices probably wouldn't go off, and if they did, the decay of the tritium means that you'd have a blast measured in kilotons, not megatons. Multiple failures resulting in a dud bomb.



Beyond that, there are other issues.



In 1962, there were at most 126 silo-launched ICBMs (page 65). It seems unlikely that in an all-out nuclear exchange, any of them would be left on the pad. If any were, assuming your counterfactual world is the same as ours up until 1962, the closest silo to Kansas City was the Atlas site in Valley Falls, 60 miles out of Kansas City. Even a full-yield blast (4.5 Mt), not accounting for the effects of going off in the hardened, heavily-armoured silo, wouldn't touch Kansas City.



That last is for two reasons - one, no nuclear war planner wanted to store high-yield weapons inside major US cities, because if an accident happened, you wanted it to happen out where no one lived. Second, no nuclear war planner wanted to store strategic weapons in a major city, because the weapons would be a first-strike's obvious first targets.



So for an enormous variety of reasons, the scenario you've described wouldn't happen.






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    Re: "there were only 126 and they all would've been launched" - one might've suffered some kind of glitch that left it unable to launch, but still a viable warhead. Out of 126 (necessarily rather hurried) launches, one of them having the silo doors stick or a rocket motor misfire wouldn't be unprecedented.
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Short answer: no.



The first hurdle you will encounter is decay of the radioactive elements used in the warhead. For a modern thermonuclear device, the main component to worry about is tritium, which has a half-life of only 12 years. Nuclear warheads need their tritium replaced periodically in order to remain viable. However, you can use a more primitive fission warhead - something using uranium-235 (half-life: 700 million years) or plutonium-239 (half-life: 24,000 years) will still be intact. This isn't as massive a detonation as you're envisioning but it's still nothing to scoff at.



However, the second problem is one of triggering materials. There are two main ways to trigger a nuclear detonation. One is to have two subcritical masses and ram them together really quickly using a (chemical) explosion. The other is to have one subcritical mass and compress it using the shockwave of an explosion. You'll note the key shared word there: explosions. You need chemical explosives to be able to produce the prompt-critical chain reaction to cause a proper detonation.



However, chemical explosives are not shelf-stable over very long periods of time. Even totally isolated from the outside environment, they very slowly decay into more thermodynamically stable (read: non-explosive) forms. Other answers suggest that for conventional explosives such as regular ammunition, you're looking at a period of decades rather than centuries before they're useless. You could salvage the radioactive elements from such a bomb to make a new bomb, but you couldn't detonate it as-is.



Third, as @AlexP points out in comments, there are safeguards built into the design of nuclear warheads to prevent these sorts of scenarios. For instance, there may be an altitude sensor that prevents the warhead from arming until it passes above a certain altitude, or an acceleration sensor that prevents it from arming unless subjected to extreme acceleration - both of these are designed to keep it from going off unless it's attached to a missile and properly launched. You could, of course, override these sensors with care and ingenuity.






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  • So we could conceivably build a nuke that lasts long enough by changing the method for propelling the two subcritical masses in a gun-type nuke to e.g. a rail gun. It'd be an utterly silly thing to do, but it's possible...
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    @BioTronic The power source (i.e., battery) for the railgun would have an even worse expected life than the explosives, unfortunately. You could replace it, just like you could replace the explosives, but it's probably easier to just build a new mechanism from scratch.
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  • Of course, but electricity is relatively easy to produce, and you could hook it up to essentially any source. Makes more sense to me to have a couple jumper cables attached to the bomb than opening it and replacing the high explosives. I'm not trying to make a sensible bomb here, only one that will survive for 600 years.
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  • @BioTronic no, probably not. Railguns use electromagnets to propel iron slugs, because iron responds to magnetic field. A magnetic field isn’t going to move a hunk of plutonium or uranium, however.
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Yes, if...



Yes, provided it's not a modern device, for the various reasons outlined in other answers, plus that these devices are designed to fail-safe – if anything isn't working perfectly, you'll not get supercriticality. Even if all the firing circuits were still working perfectly, and he had codes that were still valid, there's absolutely no chance that the conventional explosives used to trigger them would perform as expected after that long.



Key to this is that modern devices don't have enough fissile material to create a critical mass – they rely on an explosive lens imploding a sub-critical mass to a higher density at which it becomes supercritical. That requires powerful, precise and specialist conventional explosives, including very precise timing (computer-controlled, I believe). This is partly for cost – fissile material is expensive – and partly as it's a failsafe – it makes it extremely difficult to detonate it not only accidentally, but even deliberately if you can't activate the firing mechanisms.



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But, if the device was a much simpler one, then yes, it could still work.



A gun-type bomb such as the 'Little Boy' used at Hiroshima is very basic. Two sub-critical masses are pushed together to create a supercritical mass.



U-235 has a half-life of 703,800,000 years; Pu-239 24,110 years. So even after 600 years, a little boy style device would still hold enough to create a critical mass.



Obviously the original explosives would have deteriorated, but as these devices are much simpler, you could replace them with whatever simple explosives are available, or even with a good hard shove with a hand (it'll hurt, but only for a microsecond, haha!).



You won't get anywhere like the full yield, but you'd still get a fission explosion. Depending on the original intended yield, that could still be plenty.



So yes, a functional nuclear device could last that long, though not the style used by major players today.



But...



But there's no 'little-boy' style devices around today that we know of, though it's possible that North Korea or other smaller nuclear powers are using such devices.



So you'll need to add something to your history, to posit a scenario where prior to the fall of the nation who created the nuclear weapons, they switched back to simple devices.




  • Perhaps this is due to cyber-warfare – they decided that any computer involved in detonating a nuclear weapon was a risk, so reverted to much simpler devices which can be triggered manually or by a simple chemical or clockwork fuse.

  • Perhaps the factories or other infrastructure which was needed to produce some of the components were lost, forcing them back to simpler devices

  • Perhaps a general/etc. was a bit paranoid of either of those scenarios, and got some simple devices manufactured 'as a precaution'

  • Perhaps the device was captured from NK or another such nation, and brought back to be investigated and/or dismantled.


None of those seem particularly unreasonable options if there were a protracted conflict resulting in a nuclear war, the setup to your book.



However, it seems less likely that this type of device would be used on a (high-technology) missile. Potentially the missiles were reverted to older tech too, or perhaps only the bomb-making infrastructure was damaged, not the missiles. More likely, the devices were not installed on a missile, but were intended for use as a parachute bomb (Hiroshima), or a mine; they were just stored in an easily defensible silo for security.






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  • Your answer is technically correct, so I've upvoted it, but it doesn't fit very well in the OP's scenario. There are no 'Little Boy' devices anywhere anymore to have one surviving for 600 years.
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    @Rekesoft – agree, probably none now (though we don't know what NK is using), but I don't think it's impossible that such a device would be constructed during the conflict which sets up the post-nuclear scenario in the OP's book.
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  • If you want to believe their official reports - and I think you should, it makes sense with the size and power of their rockets - they are already using tritium-boosted nukes.
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    @Rekesoft – yes, probably for their current ones. But I'd not be surprised if they or another 'rogue' state had some simpler ones, or at least had constructed some for testing. The OP's scenario needs such a device to be in the US though, for which probably another cause is best; I've suggested a few possibilities in my answer, but I'm sure there's other potential reasons.
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Another problem with this scenario is that in an all out Nuclear War, keeping a missile siloed is not a viable option. Silo based missiles are one part of a "Nuclear Trifecta". A country achieves the Trifecta when they have nuclear arms that are deployable by ground based platforms (silo missiles, mobile missile sites (USSR/Russia)) air platforms (Gravity Bombs dropped from air planes... often the first possible delivery vehicle any country can use... certainly the most reliable by your time frame) and submarine based (the last of the trifecta, usually and only reliable second strike method). There are also two phases of an all out Nuclear War: First-Strike and Second-Strike. First Strike denotes the first en-mass nuclear strike and all missiles are launched immediately. It's pretty much the salvo that turns a conventional war nuclear. The Second Strike is the retaliation from the attack of the first strike and is normally launched as soon as a first strike is detected.



The goal of the First Strike is to eliminate a Second Strike before a Second Strike could be launched. Thus, targeting the ground based weapons (silos) was critical to any First Strike planning. It's estimated that no matter which side launches first, the first strike will 3% of all Nuclear missiles capable of Second Strike retaliations on the enemy side. Most of these would be Ground Silo and Air based missiles (mobile Launch Platforms might survive, but Global Thermonuclear Warfair is played very much like Horseshoes: Close enough counts). Subs are stealthy enough and mobile enough (and can move over a larger area) that they are only Second Strike vessels and will survive a First Strike Launch.



For this reason, a Silo based nuclear missile will either be launched immediately or fails to launch and is destroyed by an inbound missile. Additionally, given the secracy of the Subs, siloes are more visible in nuclear deterrence propaganda. Second Strike goals are not so much to obliterate the other side as they are to deter the other side from making a First Strike, as the destruction is mutually assured. It's M.A.D. but hey, we're here and not dying in a nuclear waste land. It's assumed they would get spotted pretty quickly by intel, so they aren't the best hidden sites and for good reason. The U.S. and the USSR both believed the other side was far out performing them in production of delivery vessels. The so-called Bomber Gap and later the Missile Gap, were both issues that featured heavily in Truman, Eisenhower and Kennedy's campaigning. Russia had a more concerning but similar issues, as they knew the U.S. claim to the loser in these gaps were through their own deception and they were really behind and needed to close the gap.



Suffice to say, once the bombs start flying, survival of any bomb is highly unlikely. It's either going to hit something or get hit before it can leave it's silo.






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    No, on a variety of fronts



    So, first of all, there's no nuclear warhead ever developed that will last six hundred years, for a variety of reasons:




    1. High explosives (required as the triggering device for the nuclear weapon) degrade quickly, even when stabilized versions are used. RDX (the C-family of explosives) has a recommended shelf life of five years. Even the most optimistic chemist wouldn't give you more than fifty years of reliable behaviour from a plastic explosive, and you need exquisitely reliable behaviour for a thermonuclear detonation.

    2. All the ICBMs in 1962 carried thermonuclear warheads (because the things weren't nearly precise enough to use anything less). Tritium is an essential component in a fusion weapon - and it has a half-life of 12 years. That means that, depending on how overengineered the weapon was to start, in as little as 6 years without maintenance, the bomb would only produce a fizzle yield.

    3. The lensed charges (fission bombs) required to create a thermonuclear yield use a particular crystal structure in their plutonium to achieve a "shaped charge" effect. (With a lot of room for error, obviously). Six hundred years of heat (from radioactive decay) and the decay itself would probably wreak havoc on that structure.


    So, the high explosives won't work, and if they did, the fission devices probably wouldn't go off, and if they did, the decay of the tritium means that you'd have a blast measured in kilotons, not megatons. Multiple failures resulting in a dud bomb.



    Beyond that, there are other issues.



    In 1962, there were at most 126 silo-launched ICBMs (page 65). It seems unlikely that in an all-out nuclear exchange, any of them would be left on the pad. If any were, assuming your counterfactual world is the same as ours up until 1962, the closest silo to Kansas City was the Atlas site in Valley Falls, 60 miles out of Kansas City. Even a full-yield blast (4.5 Mt), not accounting for the effects of going off in the hardened, heavily-armoured silo, wouldn't touch Kansas City.



    That last is for two reasons - one, no nuclear war planner wanted to store high-yield weapons inside major US cities, because if an accident happened, you wanted it to happen out where no one lived. Second, no nuclear war planner wanted to store strategic weapons in a major city, because the weapons would be a first-strike's obvious first targets.



    So for an enormous variety of reasons, the scenario you've described wouldn't happen.






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    • Sorry I forgot to add this in my question, but their not in actual Kansas City. They didn’t know were Old KC was actually locate, their actually far out in the wilderness, they just named their settlement Kansas City
      – Robert Paul
      19 hours ago








    • 3




      That's really the most minor problem with the scenario, but good to know.
      – jdunlop
      17 hours ago






    • 4




      Re: "there were only 126 and they all would've been launched" - one might've suffered some kind of glitch that left it unable to launch, but still a viable warhead. Out of 126 (necessarily rather hurried) launches, one of them having the silo doors stick or a rocket motor misfire wouldn't be unprecedented.
      – Cadence
      14 hours ago






    • 1




      You can build an h-bomb with lithium deutride rather than tritium.
      – Loren Pechtel
      11 hours ago










    • @Cadence I would also expect a substantial number to be not fit to fly for various reasons (under construction, maintenance, awaiting parts etc.
      – Someone Somewhere
      9 hours ago















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    No, on a variety of fronts



    So, first of all, there's no nuclear warhead ever developed that will last six hundred years, for a variety of reasons:




    1. High explosives (required as the triggering device for the nuclear weapon) degrade quickly, even when stabilized versions are used. RDX (the C-family of explosives) has a recommended shelf life of five years. Even the most optimistic chemist wouldn't give you more than fifty years of reliable behaviour from a plastic explosive, and you need exquisitely reliable behaviour for a thermonuclear detonation.

    2. All the ICBMs in 1962 carried thermonuclear warheads (because the things weren't nearly precise enough to use anything less). Tritium is an essential component in a fusion weapon - and it has a half-life of 12 years. That means that, depending on how overengineered the weapon was to start, in as little as 6 years without maintenance, the bomb would only produce a fizzle yield.

    3. The lensed charges (fission bombs) required to create a thermonuclear yield use a particular crystal structure in their plutonium to achieve a "shaped charge" effect. (With a lot of room for error, obviously). Six hundred years of heat (from radioactive decay) and the decay itself would probably wreak havoc on that structure.


    So, the high explosives won't work, and if they did, the fission devices probably wouldn't go off, and if they did, the decay of the tritium means that you'd have a blast measured in kilotons, not megatons. Multiple failures resulting in a dud bomb.



    Beyond that, there are other issues.



    In 1962, there were at most 126 silo-launched ICBMs (page 65). It seems unlikely that in an all-out nuclear exchange, any of them would be left on the pad. If any were, assuming your counterfactual world is the same as ours up until 1962, the closest silo to Kansas City was the Atlas site in Valley Falls, 60 miles out of Kansas City. Even a full-yield blast (4.5 Mt), not accounting for the effects of going off in the hardened, heavily-armoured silo, wouldn't touch Kansas City.



    That last is for two reasons - one, no nuclear war planner wanted to store high-yield weapons inside major US cities, because if an accident happened, you wanted it to happen out where no one lived. Second, no nuclear war planner wanted to store strategic weapons in a major city, because the weapons would be a first-strike's obvious first targets.



    So for an enormous variety of reasons, the scenario you've described wouldn't happen.






    share|improve this answer





















    • Sorry I forgot to add this in my question, but their not in actual Kansas City. They didn’t know were Old KC was actually locate, their actually far out in the wilderness, they just named their settlement Kansas City
      – Robert Paul
      19 hours ago








    • 3




      That's really the most minor problem with the scenario, but good to know.
      – jdunlop
      17 hours ago






    • 4




      Re: "there were only 126 and they all would've been launched" - one might've suffered some kind of glitch that left it unable to launch, but still a viable warhead. Out of 126 (necessarily rather hurried) launches, one of them having the silo doors stick or a rocket motor misfire wouldn't be unprecedented.
      – Cadence
      14 hours ago






    • 1




      You can build an h-bomb with lithium deutride rather than tritium.
      – Loren Pechtel
      11 hours ago










    • @Cadence I would also expect a substantial number to be not fit to fly for various reasons (under construction, maintenance, awaiting parts etc.
      – Someone Somewhere
      9 hours ago













    up vote
    27
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    up vote
    27
    down vote









    No, on a variety of fronts



    So, first of all, there's no nuclear warhead ever developed that will last six hundred years, for a variety of reasons:




    1. High explosives (required as the triggering device for the nuclear weapon) degrade quickly, even when stabilized versions are used. RDX (the C-family of explosives) has a recommended shelf life of five years. Even the most optimistic chemist wouldn't give you more than fifty years of reliable behaviour from a plastic explosive, and you need exquisitely reliable behaviour for a thermonuclear detonation.

    2. All the ICBMs in 1962 carried thermonuclear warheads (because the things weren't nearly precise enough to use anything less). Tritium is an essential component in a fusion weapon - and it has a half-life of 12 years. That means that, depending on how overengineered the weapon was to start, in as little as 6 years without maintenance, the bomb would only produce a fizzle yield.

    3. The lensed charges (fission bombs) required to create a thermonuclear yield use a particular crystal structure in their plutonium to achieve a "shaped charge" effect. (With a lot of room for error, obviously). Six hundred years of heat (from radioactive decay) and the decay itself would probably wreak havoc on that structure.


    So, the high explosives won't work, and if they did, the fission devices probably wouldn't go off, and if they did, the decay of the tritium means that you'd have a blast measured in kilotons, not megatons. Multiple failures resulting in a dud bomb.



    Beyond that, there are other issues.



    In 1962, there were at most 126 silo-launched ICBMs (page 65). It seems unlikely that in an all-out nuclear exchange, any of them would be left on the pad. If any were, assuming your counterfactual world is the same as ours up until 1962, the closest silo to Kansas City was the Atlas site in Valley Falls, 60 miles out of Kansas City. Even a full-yield blast (4.5 Mt), not accounting for the effects of going off in the hardened, heavily-armoured silo, wouldn't touch Kansas City.



    That last is for two reasons - one, no nuclear war planner wanted to store high-yield weapons inside major US cities, because if an accident happened, you wanted it to happen out where no one lived. Second, no nuclear war planner wanted to store strategic weapons in a major city, because the weapons would be a first-strike's obvious first targets.



    So for an enormous variety of reasons, the scenario you've described wouldn't happen.






    share|improve this answer












    No, on a variety of fronts



    So, first of all, there's no nuclear warhead ever developed that will last six hundred years, for a variety of reasons:




    1. High explosives (required as the triggering device for the nuclear weapon) degrade quickly, even when stabilized versions are used. RDX (the C-family of explosives) has a recommended shelf life of five years. Even the most optimistic chemist wouldn't give you more than fifty years of reliable behaviour from a plastic explosive, and you need exquisitely reliable behaviour for a thermonuclear detonation.

    2. All the ICBMs in 1962 carried thermonuclear warheads (because the things weren't nearly precise enough to use anything less). Tritium is an essential component in a fusion weapon - and it has a half-life of 12 years. That means that, depending on how overengineered the weapon was to start, in as little as 6 years without maintenance, the bomb would only produce a fizzle yield.

    3. The lensed charges (fission bombs) required to create a thermonuclear yield use a particular crystal structure in their plutonium to achieve a "shaped charge" effect. (With a lot of room for error, obviously). Six hundred years of heat (from radioactive decay) and the decay itself would probably wreak havoc on that structure.


    So, the high explosives won't work, and if they did, the fission devices probably wouldn't go off, and if they did, the decay of the tritium means that you'd have a blast measured in kilotons, not megatons. Multiple failures resulting in a dud bomb.



    Beyond that, there are other issues.



    In 1962, there were at most 126 silo-launched ICBMs (page 65). It seems unlikely that in an all-out nuclear exchange, any of them would be left on the pad. If any were, assuming your counterfactual world is the same as ours up until 1962, the closest silo to Kansas City was the Atlas site in Valley Falls, 60 miles out of Kansas City. Even a full-yield blast (4.5 Mt), not accounting for the effects of going off in the hardened, heavily-armoured silo, wouldn't touch Kansas City.



    That last is for two reasons - one, no nuclear war planner wanted to store high-yield weapons inside major US cities, because if an accident happened, you wanted it to happen out where no one lived. Second, no nuclear war planner wanted to store strategic weapons in a major city, because the weapons would be a first-strike's obvious first targets.



    So for an enormous variety of reasons, the scenario you've described wouldn't happen.







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    answered 19 hours ago









    jdunlop

    6,71311340




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    • Sorry I forgot to add this in my question, but their not in actual Kansas City. They didn’t know were Old KC was actually locate, their actually far out in the wilderness, they just named their settlement Kansas City
      – Robert Paul
      19 hours ago








    • 3




      That's really the most minor problem with the scenario, but good to know.
      – jdunlop
      17 hours ago






    • 4




      Re: "there were only 126 and they all would've been launched" - one might've suffered some kind of glitch that left it unable to launch, but still a viable warhead. Out of 126 (necessarily rather hurried) launches, one of them having the silo doors stick or a rocket motor misfire wouldn't be unprecedented.
      – Cadence
      14 hours ago






    • 1




      You can build an h-bomb with lithium deutride rather than tritium.
      – Loren Pechtel
      11 hours ago










    • @Cadence I would also expect a substantial number to be not fit to fly for various reasons (under construction, maintenance, awaiting parts etc.
      – Someone Somewhere
      9 hours ago


















    • Sorry I forgot to add this in my question, but their not in actual Kansas City. They didn’t know were Old KC was actually locate, their actually far out in the wilderness, they just named their settlement Kansas City
      – Robert Paul
      19 hours ago








    • 3




      That's really the most minor problem with the scenario, but good to know.
      – jdunlop
      17 hours ago






    • 4




      Re: "there were only 126 and they all would've been launched" - one might've suffered some kind of glitch that left it unable to launch, but still a viable warhead. Out of 126 (necessarily rather hurried) launches, one of them having the silo doors stick or a rocket motor misfire wouldn't be unprecedented.
      – Cadence
      14 hours ago






    • 1




      You can build an h-bomb with lithium deutride rather than tritium.
      – Loren Pechtel
      11 hours ago










    • @Cadence I would also expect a substantial number to be not fit to fly for various reasons (under construction, maintenance, awaiting parts etc.
      – Someone Somewhere
      9 hours ago
















    Sorry I forgot to add this in my question, but their not in actual Kansas City. They didn’t know were Old KC was actually locate, their actually far out in the wilderness, they just named their settlement Kansas City
    – Robert Paul
    19 hours ago






    Sorry I forgot to add this in my question, but their not in actual Kansas City. They didn’t know were Old KC was actually locate, their actually far out in the wilderness, they just named their settlement Kansas City
    – Robert Paul
    19 hours ago






    3




    3




    That's really the most minor problem with the scenario, but good to know.
    – jdunlop
    17 hours ago




    That's really the most minor problem with the scenario, but good to know.
    – jdunlop
    17 hours ago




    4




    4




    Re: "there were only 126 and they all would've been launched" - one might've suffered some kind of glitch that left it unable to launch, but still a viable warhead. Out of 126 (necessarily rather hurried) launches, one of them having the silo doors stick or a rocket motor misfire wouldn't be unprecedented.
    – Cadence
    14 hours ago




    Re: "there were only 126 and they all would've been launched" - one might've suffered some kind of glitch that left it unable to launch, but still a viable warhead. Out of 126 (necessarily rather hurried) launches, one of them having the silo doors stick or a rocket motor misfire wouldn't be unprecedented.
    – Cadence
    14 hours ago




    1




    1




    You can build an h-bomb with lithium deutride rather than tritium.
    – Loren Pechtel
    11 hours ago




    You can build an h-bomb with lithium deutride rather than tritium.
    – Loren Pechtel
    11 hours ago












    @Cadence I would also expect a substantial number to be not fit to fly for various reasons (under construction, maintenance, awaiting parts etc.
    – Someone Somewhere
    9 hours ago




    @Cadence I would also expect a substantial number to be not fit to fly for various reasons (under construction, maintenance, awaiting parts etc.
    – Someone Somewhere
    9 hours ago










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    Short answer: no.



    The first hurdle you will encounter is decay of the radioactive elements used in the warhead. For a modern thermonuclear device, the main component to worry about is tritium, which has a half-life of only 12 years. Nuclear warheads need their tritium replaced periodically in order to remain viable. However, you can use a more primitive fission warhead - something using uranium-235 (half-life: 700 million years) or plutonium-239 (half-life: 24,000 years) will still be intact. This isn't as massive a detonation as you're envisioning but it's still nothing to scoff at.



    However, the second problem is one of triggering materials. There are two main ways to trigger a nuclear detonation. One is to have two subcritical masses and ram them together really quickly using a (chemical) explosion. The other is to have one subcritical mass and compress it using the shockwave of an explosion. You'll note the key shared word there: explosions. You need chemical explosives to be able to produce the prompt-critical chain reaction to cause a proper detonation.



    However, chemical explosives are not shelf-stable over very long periods of time. Even totally isolated from the outside environment, they very slowly decay into more thermodynamically stable (read: non-explosive) forms. Other answers suggest that for conventional explosives such as regular ammunition, you're looking at a period of decades rather than centuries before they're useless. You could salvage the radioactive elements from such a bomb to make a new bomb, but you couldn't detonate it as-is.



    Third, as @AlexP points out in comments, there are safeguards built into the design of nuclear warheads to prevent these sorts of scenarios. For instance, there may be an altitude sensor that prevents the warhead from arming until it passes above a certain altitude, or an acceleration sensor that prevents it from arming unless subjected to extreme acceleration - both of these are designed to keep it from going off unless it's attached to a missile and properly launched. You could, of course, override these sensors with care and ingenuity.






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    • So we could conceivably build a nuke that lasts long enough by changing the method for propelling the two subcritical masses in a gun-type nuke to e.g. a rail gun. It'd be an utterly silly thing to do, but it's possible...
      – BioTronic
      12 hours ago






    • 1




      @BioTronic The power source (i.e., battery) for the railgun would have an even worse expected life than the explosives, unfortunately. You could replace it, just like you could replace the explosives, but it's probably easier to just build a new mechanism from scratch.
      – Cadence
      12 hours ago










    • Of course, but electricity is relatively easy to produce, and you could hook it up to essentially any source. Makes more sense to me to have a couple jumper cables attached to the bomb than opening it and replacing the high explosives. I'm not trying to make a sensible bomb here, only one that will survive for 600 years.
      – BioTronic
      7 hours ago










    • @BioTronic no, probably not. Railguns use electromagnets to propel iron slugs, because iron responds to magnetic field. A magnetic field isn’t going to move a hunk of plutonium or uranium, however.
      – HopelessN00b
      19 mins ago










    • Just glue the uranium to the tip of the iron slug.
      – BioTronic
      15 mins ago















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    Short answer: no.



    The first hurdle you will encounter is decay of the radioactive elements used in the warhead. For a modern thermonuclear device, the main component to worry about is tritium, which has a half-life of only 12 years. Nuclear warheads need their tritium replaced periodically in order to remain viable. However, you can use a more primitive fission warhead - something using uranium-235 (half-life: 700 million years) or plutonium-239 (half-life: 24,000 years) will still be intact. This isn't as massive a detonation as you're envisioning but it's still nothing to scoff at.



    However, the second problem is one of triggering materials. There are two main ways to trigger a nuclear detonation. One is to have two subcritical masses and ram them together really quickly using a (chemical) explosion. The other is to have one subcritical mass and compress it using the shockwave of an explosion. You'll note the key shared word there: explosions. You need chemical explosives to be able to produce the prompt-critical chain reaction to cause a proper detonation.



    However, chemical explosives are not shelf-stable over very long periods of time. Even totally isolated from the outside environment, they very slowly decay into more thermodynamically stable (read: non-explosive) forms. Other answers suggest that for conventional explosives such as regular ammunition, you're looking at a period of decades rather than centuries before they're useless. You could salvage the radioactive elements from such a bomb to make a new bomb, but you couldn't detonate it as-is.



    Third, as @AlexP points out in comments, there are safeguards built into the design of nuclear warheads to prevent these sorts of scenarios. For instance, there may be an altitude sensor that prevents the warhead from arming until it passes above a certain altitude, or an acceleration sensor that prevents it from arming unless subjected to extreme acceleration - both of these are designed to keep it from going off unless it's attached to a missile and properly launched. You could, of course, override these sensors with care and ingenuity.






    share|improve this answer





















    • So we could conceivably build a nuke that lasts long enough by changing the method for propelling the two subcritical masses in a gun-type nuke to e.g. a rail gun. It'd be an utterly silly thing to do, but it's possible...
      – BioTronic
      12 hours ago






    • 1




      @BioTronic The power source (i.e., battery) for the railgun would have an even worse expected life than the explosives, unfortunately. You could replace it, just like you could replace the explosives, but it's probably easier to just build a new mechanism from scratch.
      – Cadence
      12 hours ago










    • Of course, but electricity is relatively easy to produce, and you could hook it up to essentially any source. Makes more sense to me to have a couple jumper cables attached to the bomb than opening it and replacing the high explosives. I'm not trying to make a sensible bomb here, only one that will survive for 600 years.
      – BioTronic
      7 hours ago










    • @BioTronic no, probably not. Railguns use electromagnets to propel iron slugs, because iron responds to magnetic field. A magnetic field isn’t going to move a hunk of plutonium or uranium, however.
      – HopelessN00b
      19 mins ago










    • Just glue the uranium to the tip of the iron slug.
      – BioTronic
      15 mins ago













    up vote
    11
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    up vote
    11
    down vote









    Short answer: no.



    The first hurdle you will encounter is decay of the radioactive elements used in the warhead. For a modern thermonuclear device, the main component to worry about is tritium, which has a half-life of only 12 years. Nuclear warheads need their tritium replaced periodically in order to remain viable. However, you can use a more primitive fission warhead - something using uranium-235 (half-life: 700 million years) or plutonium-239 (half-life: 24,000 years) will still be intact. This isn't as massive a detonation as you're envisioning but it's still nothing to scoff at.



    However, the second problem is one of triggering materials. There are two main ways to trigger a nuclear detonation. One is to have two subcritical masses and ram them together really quickly using a (chemical) explosion. The other is to have one subcritical mass and compress it using the shockwave of an explosion. You'll note the key shared word there: explosions. You need chemical explosives to be able to produce the prompt-critical chain reaction to cause a proper detonation.



    However, chemical explosives are not shelf-stable over very long periods of time. Even totally isolated from the outside environment, they very slowly decay into more thermodynamically stable (read: non-explosive) forms. Other answers suggest that for conventional explosives such as regular ammunition, you're looking at a period of decades rather than centuries before they're useless. You could salvage the radioactive elements from such a bomb to make a new bomb, but you couldn't detonate it as-is.



    Third, as @AlexP points out in comments, there are safeguards built into the design of nuclear warheads to prevent these sorts of scenarios. For instance, there may be an altitude sensor that prevents the warhead from arming until it passes above a certain altitude, or an acceleration sensor that prevents it from arming unless subjected to extreme acceleration - both of these are designed to keep it from going off unless it's attached to a missile and properly launched. You could, of course, override these sensors with care and ingenuity.






    share|improve this answer












    Short answer: no.



    The first hurdle you will encounter is decay of the radioactive elements used in the warhead. For a modern thermonuclear device, the main component to worry about is tritium, which has a half-life of only 12 years. Nuclear warheads need their tritium replaced periodically in order to remain viable. However, you can use a more primitive fission warhead - something using uranium-235 (half-life: 700 million years) or plutonium-239 (half-life: 24,000 years) will still be intact. This isn't as massive a detonation as you're envisioning but it's still nothing to scoff at.



    However, the second problem is one of triggering materials. There are two main ways to trigger a nuclear detonation. One is to have two subcritical masses and ram them together really quickly using a (chemical) explosion. The other is to have one subcritical mass and compress it using the shockwave of an explosion. You'll note the key shared word there: explosions. You need chemical explosives to be able to produce the prompt-critical chain reaction to cause a proper detonation.



    However, chemical explosives are not shelf-stable over very long periods of time. Even totally isolated from the outside environment, they very slowly decay into more thermodynamically stable (read: non-explosive) forms. Other answers suggest that for conventional explosives such as regular ammunition, you're looking at a period of decades rather than centuries before they're useless. You could salvage the radioactive elements from such a bomb to make a new bomb, but you couldn't detonate it as-is.



    Third, as @AlexP points out in comments, there are safeguards built into the design of nuclear warheads to prevent these sorts of scenarios. For instance, there may be an altitude sensor that prevents the warhead from arming until it passes above a certain altitude, or an acceleration sensor that prevents it from arming unless subjected to extreme acceleration - both of these are designed to keep it from going off unless it's attached to a missile and properly launched. You could, of course, override these sensors with care and ingenuity.







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    answered 19 hours ago









    Cadence

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    • So we could conceivably build a nuke that lasts long enough by changing the method for propelling the two subcritical masses in a gun-type nuke to e.g. a rail gun. It'd be an utterly silly thing to do, but it's possible...
      – BioTronic
      12 hours ago






    • 1




      @BioTronic The power source (i.e., battery) for the railgun would have an even worse expected life than the explosives, unfortunately. You could replace it, just like you could replace the explosives, but it's probably easier to just build a new mechanism from scratch.
      – Cadence
      12 hours ago










    • Of course, but electricity is relatively easy to produce, and you could hook it up to essentially any source. Makes more sense to me to have a couple jumper cables attached to the bomb than opening it and replacing the high explosives. I'm not trying to make a sensible bomb here, only one that will survive for 600 years.
      – BioTronic
      7 hours ago










    • @BioTronic no, probably not. Railguns use electromagnets to propel iron slugs, because iron responds to magnetic field. A magnetic field isn’t going to move a hunk of plutonium or uranium, however.
      – HopelessN00b
      19 mins ago










    • Just glue the uranium to the tip of the iron slug.
      – BioTronic
      15 mins ago


















    • So we could conceivably build a nuke that lasts long enough by changing the method for propelling the two subcritical masses in a gun-type nuke to e.g. a rail gun. It'd be an utterly silly thing to do, but it's possible...
      – BioTronic
      12 hours ago






    • 1




      @BioTronic The power source (i.e., battery) for the railgun would have an even worse expected life than the explosives, unfortunately. You could replace it, just like you could replace the explosives, but it's probably easier to just build a new mechanism from scratch.
      – Cadence
      12 hours ago










    • Of course, but electricity is relatively easy to produce, and you could hook it up to essentially any source. Makes more sense to me to have a couple jumper cables attached to the bomb than opening it and replacing the high explosives. I'm not trying to make a sensible bomb here, only one that will survive for 600 years.
      – BioTronic
      7 hours ago










    • @BioTronic no, probably not. Railguns use electromagnets to propel iron slugs, because iron responds to magnetic field. A magnetic field isn’t going to move a hunk of plutonium or uranium, however.
      – HopelessN00b
      19 mins ago










    • Just glue the uranium to the tip of the iron slug.
      – BioTronic
      15 mins ago
















    So we could conceivably build a nuke that lasts long enough by changing the method for propelling the two subcritical masses in a gun-type nuke to e.g. a rail gun. It'd be an utterly silly thing to do, but it's possible...
    – BioTronic
    12 hours ago




    So we could conceivably build a nuke that lasts long enough by changing the method for propelling the two subcritical masses in a gun-type nuke to e.g. a rail gun. It'd be an utterly silly thing to do, but it's possible...
    – BioTronic
    12 hours ago




    1




    1




    @BioTronic The power source (i.e., battery) for the railgun would have an even worse expected life than the explosives, unfortunately. You could replace it, just like you could replace the explosives, but it's probably easier to just build a new mechanism from scratch.
    – Cadence
    12 hours ago




    @BioTronic The power source (i.e., battery) for the railgun would have an even worse expected life than the explosives, unfortunately. You could replace it, just like you could replace the explosives, but it's probably easier to just build a new mechanism from scratch.
    – Cadence
    12 hours ago












    Of course, but electricity is relatively easy to produce, and you could hook it up to essentially any source. Makes more sense to me to have a couple jumper cables attached to the bomb than opening it and replacing the high explosives. I'm not trying to make a sensible bomb here, only one that will survive for 600 years.
    – BioTronic
    7 hours ago




    Of course, but electricity is relatively easy to produce, and you could hook it up to essentially any source. Makes more sense to me to have a couple jumper cables attached to the bomb than opening it and replacing the high explosives. I'm not trying to make a sensible bomb here, only one that will survive for 600 years.
    – BioTronic
    7 hours ago












    @BioTronic no, probably not. Railguns use electromagnets to propel iron slugs, because iron responds to magnetic field. A magnetic field isn’t going to move a hunk of plutonium or uranium, however.
    – HopelessN00b
    19 mins ago




    @BioTronic no, probably not. Railguns use electromagnets to propel iron slugs, because iron responds to magnetic field. A magnetic field isn’t going to move a hunk of plutonium or uranium, however.
    – HopelessN00b
    19 mins ago












    Just glue the uranium to the tip of the iron slug.
    – BioTronic
    15 mins ago




    Just glue the uranium to the tip of the iron slug.
    – BioTronic
    15 mins ago










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    Yes, if...



    Yes, provided it's not a modern device, for the various reasons outlined in other answers, plus that these devices are designed to fail-safe – if anything isn't working perfectly, you'll not get supercriticality. Even if all the firing circuits were still working perfectly, and he had codes that were still valid, there's absolutely no chance that the conventional explosives used to trigger them would perform as expected after that long.



    Key to this is that modern devices don't have enough fissile material to create a critical mass – they rely on an explosive lens imploding a sub-critical mass to a higher density at which it becomes supercritical. That requires powerful, precise and specialist conventional explosives, including very precise timing (computer-controlled, I believe). This is partly for cost – fissile material is expensive – and partly as it's a failsafe – it makes it extremely difficult to detonate it not only accidentally, but even deliberately if you can't activate the firing mechanisms.



    But...



    But, if the device was a much simpler one, then yes, it could still work.



    A gun-type bomb such as the 'Little Boy' used at Hiroshima is very basic. Two sub-critical masses are pushed together to create a supercritical mass.



    U-235 has a half-life of 703,800,000 years; Pu-239 24,110 years. So even after 600 years, a little boy style device would still hold enough to create a critical mass.



    Obviously the original explosives would have deteriorated, but as these devices are much simpler, you could replace them with whatever simple explosives are available, or even with a good hard shove with a hand (it'll hurt, but only for a microsecond, haha!).



    You won't get anywhere like the full yield, but you'd still get a fission explosion. Depending on the original intended yield, that could still be plenty.



    So yes, a functional nuclear device could last that long, though not the style used by major players today.



    But...



    But there's no 'little-boy' style devices around today that we know of, though it's possible that North Korea or other smaller nuclear powers are using such devices.



    So you'll need to add something to your history, to posit a scenario where prior to the fall of the nation who created the nuclear weapons, they switched back to simple devices.




    • Perhaps this is due to cyber-warfare – they decided that any computer involved in detonating a nuclear weapon was a risk, so reverted to much simpler devices which can be triggered manually or by a simple chemical or clockwork fuse.

    • Perhaps the factories or other infrastructure which was needed to produce some of the components were lost, forcing them back to simpler devices

    • Perhaps a general/etc. was a bit paranoid of either of those scenarios, and got some simple devices manufactured 'as a precaution'

    • Perhaps the device was captured from NK or another such nation, and brought back to be investigated and/or dismantled.


    None of those seem particularly unreasonable options if there were a protracted conflict resulting in a nuclear war, the setup to your book.



    However, it seems less likely that this type of device would be used on a (high-technology) missile. Potentially the missiles were reverted to older tech too, or perhaps only the bomb-making infrastructure was damaged, not the missiles. More likely, the devices were not installed on a missile, but were intended for use as a parachute bomb (Hiroshima), or a mine; they were just stored in an easily defensible silo for security.






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    • Your answer is technically correct, so I've upvoted it, but it doesn't fit very well in the OP's scenario. There are no 'Little Boy' devices anywhere anymore to have one surviving for 600 years.
      – Rekesoft
      2 hours ago






    • 1




      @Rekesoft – agree, probably none now (though we don't know what NK is using), but I don't think it's impossible that such a device would be constructed during the conflict which sets up the post-nuclear scenario in the OP's book.
      – Dan W
      2 hours ago










    • If you want to believe their official reports - and I think you should, it makes sense with the size and power of their rockets - they are already using tritium-boosted nukes.
      – Rekesoft
      2 hours ago






    • 1




      @Rekesoft – yes, probably for their current ones. But I'd not be surprised if they or another 'rogue' state had some simpler ones, or at least had constructed some for testing. The OP's scenario needs such a device to be in the US though, for which probably another cause is best; I've suggested a few possibilities in my answer, but I'm sure there's other potential reasons.
      – Dan W
      2 hours ago















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    Yes, if...



    Yes, provided it's not a modern device, for the various reasons outlined in other answers, plus that these devices are designed to fail-safe – if anything isn't working perfectly, you'll not get supercriticality. Even if all the firing circuits were still working perfectly, and he had codes that were still valid, there's absolutely no chance that the conventional explosives used to trigger them would perform as expected after that long.



    Key to this is that modern devices don't have enough fissile material to create a critical mass – they rely on an explosive lens imploding a sub-critical mass to a higher density at which it becomes supercritical. That requires powerful, precise and specialist conventional explosives, including very precise timing (computer-controlled, I believe). This is partly for cost – fissile material is expensive – and partly as it's a failsafe – it makes it extremely difficult to detonate it not only accidentally, but even deliberately if you can't activate the firing mechanisms.



    But...



    But, if the device was a much simpler one, then yes, it could still work.



    A gun-type bomb such as the 'Little Boy' used at Hiroshima is very basic. Two sub-critical masses are pushed together to create a supercritical mass.



    U-235 has a half-life of 703,800,000 years; Pu-239 24,110 years. So even after 600 years, a little boy style device would still hold enough to create a critical mass.



    Obviously the original explosives would have deteriorated, but as these devices are much simpler, you could replace them with whatever simple explosives are available, or even with a good hard shove with a hand (it'll hurt, but only for a microsecond, haha!).



    You won't get anywhere like the full yield, but you'd still get a fission explosion. Depending on the original intended yield, that could still be plenty.



    So yes, a functional nuclear device could last that long, though not the style used by major players today.



    But...



    But there's no 'little-boy' style devices around today that we know of, though it's possible that North Korea or other smaller nuclear powers are using such devices.



    So you'll need to add something to your history, to posit a scenario where prior to the fall of the nation who created the nuclear weapons, they switched back to simple devices.




    • Perhaps this is due to cyber-warfare – they decided that any computer involved in detonating a nuclear weapon was a risk, so reverted to much simpler devices which can be triggered manually or by a simple chemical or clockwork fuse.

    • Perhaps the factories or other infrastructure which was needed to produce some of the components were lost, forcing them back to simpler devices

    • Perhaps a general/etc. was a bit paranoid of either of those scenarios, and got some simple devices manufactured 'as a precaution'

    • Perhaps the device was captured from NK or another such nation, and brought back to be investigated and/or dismantled.


    None of those seem particularly unreasonable options if there were a protracted conflict resulting in a nuclear war, the setup to your book.



    However, it seems less likely that this type of device would be used on a (high-technology) missile. Potentially the missiles were reverted to older tech too, or perhaps only the bomb-making infrastructure was damaged, not the missiles. More likely, the devices were not installed on a missile, but were intended for use as a parachute bomb (Hiroshima), or a mine; they were just stored in an easily defensible silo for security.






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    • Your answer is technically correct, so I've upvoted it, but it doesn't fit very well in the OP's scenario. There are no 'Little Boy' devices anywhere anymore to have one surviving for 600 years.
      – Rekesoft
      2 hours ago






    • 1




      @Rekesoft – agree, probably none now (though we don't know what NK is using), but I don't think it's impossible that such a device would be constructed during the conflict which sets up the post-nuclear scenario in the OP's book.
      – Dan W
      2 hours ago










    • If you want to believe their official reports - and I think you should, it makes sense with the size and power of their rockets - they are already using tritium-boosted nukes.
      – Rekesoft
      2 hours ago






    • 1




      @Rekesoft – yes, probably for their current ones. But I'd not be surprised if they or another 'rogue' state had some simpler ones, or at least had constructed some for testing. The OP's scenario needs such a device to be in the US though, for which probably another cause is best; I've suggested a few possibilities in my answer, but I'm sure there's other potential reasons.
      – Dan W
      2 hours ago













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    up vote
    2
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    Yes, if...



    Yes, provided it's not a modern device, for the various reasons outlined in other answers, plus that these devices are designed to fail-safe – if anything isn't working perfectly, you'll not get supercriticality. Even if all the firing circuits were still working perfectly, and he had codes that were still valid, there's absolutely no chance that the conventional explosives used to trigger them would perform as expected after that long.



    Key to this is that modern devices don't have enough fissile material to create a critical mass – they rely on an explosive lens imploding a sub-critical mass to a higher density at which it becomes supercritical. That requires powerful, precise and specialist conventional explosives, including very precise timing (computer-controlled, I believe). This is partly for cost – fissile material is expensive – and partly as it's a failsafe – it makes it extremely difficult to detonate it not only accidentally, but even deliberately if you can't activate the firing mechanisms.



    But...



    But, if the device was a much simpler one, then yes, it could still work.



    A gun-type bomb such as the 'Little Boy' used at Hiroshima is very basic. Two sub-critical masses are pushed together to create a supercritical mass.



    U-235 has a half-life of 703,800,000 years; Pu-239 24,110 years. So even after 600 years, a little boy style device would still hold enough to create a critical mass.



    Obviously the original explosives would have deteriorated, but as these devices are much simpler, you could replace them with whatever simple explosives are available, or even with a good hard shove with a hand (it'll hurt, but only for a microsecond, haha!).



    You won't get anywhere like the full yield, but you'd still get a fission explosion. Depending on the original intended yield, that could still be plenty.



    So yes, a functional nuclear device could last that long, though not the style used by major players today.



    But...



    But there's no 'little-boy' style devices around today that we know of, though it's possible that North Korea or other smaller nuclear powers are using such devices.



    So you'll need to add something to your history, to posit a scenario where prior to the fall of the nation who created the nuclear weapons, they switched back to simple devices.




    • Perhaps this is due to cyber-warfare – they decided that any computer involved in detonating a nuclear weapon was a risk, so reverted to much simpler devices which can be triggered manually or by a simple chemical or clockwork fuse.

    • Perhaps the factories or other infrastructure which was needed to produce some of the components were lost, forcing them back to simpler devices

    • Perhaps a general/etc. was a bit paranoid of either of those scenarios, and got some simple devices manufactured 'as a precaution'

    • Perhaps the device was captured from NK or another such nation, and brought back to be investigated and/or dismantled.


    None of those seem particularly unreasonable options if there were a protracted conflict resulting in a nuclear war, the setup to your book.



    However, it seems less likely that this type of device would be used on a (high-technology) missile. Potentially the missiles were reverted to older tech too, or perhaps only the bomb-making infrastructure was damaged, not the missiles. More likely, the devices were not installed on a missile, but were intended for use as a parachute bomb (Hiroshima), or a mine; they were just stored in an easily defensible silo for security.






    share|improve this answer














    Yes, if...



    Yes, provided it's not a modern device, for the various reasons outlined in other answers, plus that these devices are designed to fail-safe – if anything isn't working perfectly, you'll not get supercriticality. Even if all the firing circuits were still working perfectly, and he had codes that were still valid, there's absolutely no chance that the conventional explosives used to trigger them would perform as expected after that long.



    Key to this is that modern devices don't have enough fissile material to create a critical mass – they rely on an explosive lens imploding a sub-critical mass to a higher density at which it becomes supercritical. That requires powerful, precise and specialist conventional explosives, including very precise timing (computer-controlled, I believe). This is partly for cost – fissile material is expensive – and partly as it's a failsafe – it makes it extremely difficult to detonate it not only accidentally, but even deliberately if you can't activate the firing mechanisms.



    But...



    But, if the device was a much simpler one, then yes, it could still work.



    A gun-type bomb such as the 'Little Boy' used at Hiroshima is very basic. Two sub-critical masses are pushed together to create a supercritical mass.



    U-235 has a half-life of 703,800,000 years; Pu-239 24,110 years. So even after 600 years, a little boy style device would still hold enough to create a critical mass.



    Obviously the original explosives would have deteriorated, but as these devices are much simpler, you could replace them with whatever simple explosives are available, or even with a good hard shove with a hand (it'll hurt, but only for a microsecond, haha!).



    You won't get anywhere like the full yield, but you'd still get a fission explosion. Depending on the original intended yield, that could still be plenty.



    So yes, a functional nuclear device could last that long, though not the style used by major players today.



    But...



    But there's no 'little-boy' style devices around today that we know of, though it's possible that North Korea or other smaller nuclear powers are using such devices.



    So you'll need to add something to your history, to posit a scenario where prior to the fall of the nation who created the nuclear weapons, they switched back to simple devices.




    • Perhaps this is due to cyber-warfare – they decided that any computer involved in detonating a nuclear weapon was a risk, so reverted to much simpler devices which can be triggered manually or by a simple chemical or clockwork fuse.

    • Perhaps the factories or other infrastructure which was needed to produce some of the components were lost, forcing them back to simpler devices

    • Perhaps a general/etc. was a bit paranoid of either of those scenarios, and got some simple devices manufactured 'as a precaution'

    • Perhaps the device was captured from NK or another such nation, and brought back to be investigated and/or dismantled.


    None of those seem particularly unreasonable options if there were a protracted conflict resulting in a nuclear war, the setup to your book.



    However, it seems less likely that this type of device would be used on a (high-technology) missile. Potentially the missiles were reverted to older tech too, or perhaps only the bomb-making infrastructure was damaged, not the missiles. More likely, the devices were not installed on a missile, but were intended for use as a parachute bomb (Hiroshima), or a mine; they were just stored in an easily defensible silo for security.







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    • Your answer is technically correct, so I've upvoted it, but it doesn't fit very well in the OP's scenario. There are no 'Little Boy' devices anywhere anymore to have one surviving for 600 years.
      – Rekesoft
      2 hours ago






    • 1




      @Rekesoft – agree, probably none now (though we don't know what NK is using), but I don't think it's impossible that such a device would be constructed during the conflict which sets up the post-nuclear scenario in the OP's book.
      – Dan W
      2 hours ago










    • If you want to believe their official reports - and I think you should, it makes sense with the size and power of their rockets - they are already using tritium-boosted nukes.
      – Rekesoft
      2 hours ago






    • 1




      @Rekesoft – yes, probably for their current ones. But I'd not be surprised if they or another 'rogue' state had some simpler ones, or at least had constructed some for testing. The OP's scenario needs such a device to be in the US though, for which probably another cause is best; I've suggested a few possibilities in my answer, but I'm sure there's other potential reasons.
      – Dan W
      2 hours ago


















    • Your answer is technically correct, so I've upvoted it, but it doesn't fit very well in the OP's scenario. There are no 'Little Boy' devices anywhere anymore to have one surviving for 600 years.
      – Rekesoft
      2 hours ago






    • 1




      @Rekesoft – agree, probably none now (though we don't know what NK is using), but I don't think it's impossible that such a device would be constructed during the conflict which sets up the post-nuclear scenario in the OP's book.
      – Dan W
      2 hours ago










    • If you want to believe their official reports - and I think you should, it makes sense with the size and power of their rockets - they are already using tritium-boosted nukes.
      – Rekesoft
      2 hours ago






    • 1




      @Rekesoft – yes, probably for their current ones. But I'd not be surprised if they or another 'rogue' state had some simpler ones, or at least had constructed some for testing. The OP's scenario needs such a device to be in the US though, for which probably another cause is best; I've suggested a few possibilities in my answer, but I'm sure there's other potential reasons.
      – Dan W
      2 hours ago
















    Your answer is technically correct, so I've upvoted it, but it doesn't fit very well in the OP's scenario. There are no 'Little Boy' devices anywhere anymore to have one surviving for 600 years.
    – Rekesoft
    2 hours ago




    Your answer is technically correct, so I've upvoted it, but it doesn't fit very well in the OP's scenario. There are no 'Little Boy' devices anywhere anymore to have one surviving for 600 years.
    – Rekesoft
    2 hours ago




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    @Rekesoft – agree, probably none now (though we don't know what NK is using), but I don't think it's impossible that such a device would be constructed during the conflict which sets up the post-nuclear scenario in the OP's book.
    – Dan W
    2 hours ago




    @Rekesoft – agree, probably none now (though we don't know what NK is using), but I don't think it's impossible that such a device would be constructed during the conflict which sets up the post-nuclear scenario in the OP's book.
    – Dan W
    2 hours ago












    If you want to believe their official reports - and I think you should, it makes sense with the size and power of their rockets - they are already using tritium-boosted nukes.
    – Rekesoft
    2 hours ago




    If you want to believe their official reports - and I think you should, it makes sense with the size and power of their rockets - they are already using tritium-boosted nukes.
    – Rekesoft
    2 hours ago




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    @Rekesoft – yes, probably for their current ones. But I'd not be surprised if they or another 'rogue' state had some simpler ones, or at least had constructed some for testing. The OP's scenario needs such a device to be in the US though, for which probably another cause is best; I've suggested a few possibilities in my answer, but I'm sure there's other potential reasons.
    – Dan W
    2 hours ago




    @Rekesoft – yes, probably for their current ones. But I'd not be surprised if they or another 'rogue' state had some simpler ones, or at least had constructed some for testing. The OP's scenario needs such a device to be in the US though, for which probably another cause is best; I've suggested a few possibilities in my answer, but I'm sure there's other potential reasons.
    – Dan W
    2 hours ago










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    Another problem with this scenario is that in an all out Nuclear War, keeping a missile siloed is not a viable option. Silo based missiles are one part of a "Nuclear Trifecta". A country achieves the Trifecta when they have nuclear arms that are deployable by ground based platforms (silo missiles, mobile missile sites (USSR/Russia)) air platforms (Gravity Bombs dropped from air planes... often the first possible delivery vehicle any country can use... certainly the most reliable by your time frame) and submarine based (the last of the trifecta, usually and only reliable second strike method). There are also two phases of an all out Nuclear War: First-Strike and Second-Strike. First Strike denotes the first en-mass nuclear strike and all missiles are launched immediately. It's pretty much the salvo that turns a conventional war nuclear. The Second Strike is the retaliation from the attack of the first strike and is normally launched as soon as a first strike is detected.



    The goal of the First Strike is to eliminate a Second Strike before a Second Strike could be launched. Thus, targeting the ground based weapons (silos) was critical to any First Strike planning. It's estimated that no matter which side launches first, the first strike will 3% of all Nuclear missiles capable of Second Strike retaliations on the enemy side. Most of these would be Ground Silo and Air based missiles (mobile Launch Platforms might survive, but Global Thermonuclear Warfair is played very much like Horseshoes: Close enough counts). Subs are stealthy enough and mobile enough (and can move over a larger area) that they are only Second Strike vessels and will survive a First Strike Launch.



    For this reason, a Silo based nuclear missile will either be launched immediately or fails to launch and is destroyed by an inbound missile. Additionally, given the secracy of the Subs, siloes are more visible in nuclear deterrence propaganda. Second Strike goals are not so much to obliterate the other side as they are to deter the other side from making a First Strike, as the destruction is mutually assured. It's M.A.D. but hey, we're here and not dying in a nuclear waste land. It's assumed they would get spotted pretty quickly by intel, so they aren't the best hidden sites and for good reason. The U.S. and the USSR both believed the other side was far out performing them in production of delivery vessels. The so-called Bomber Gap and later the Missile Gap, were both issues that featured heavily in Truman, Eisenhower and Kennedy's campaigning. Russia had a more concerning but similar issues, as they knew the U.S. claim to the loser in these gaps were through their own deception and they were really behind and needed to close the gap.



    Suffice to say, once the bombs start flying, survival of any bomb is highly unlikely. It's either going to hit something or get hit before it can leave it's silo.






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      Another problem with this scenario is that in an all out Nuclear War, keeping a missile siloed is not a viable option. Silo based missiles are one part of a "Nuclear Trifecta". A country achieves the Trifecta when they have nuclear arms that are deployable by ground based platforms (silo missiles, mobile missile sites (USSR/Russia)) air platforms (Gravity Bombs dropped from air planes... often the first possible delivery vehicle any country can use... certainly the most reliable by your time frame) and submarine based (the last of the trifecta, usually and only reliable second strike method). There are also two phases of an all out Nuclear War: First-Strike and Second-Strike. First Strike denotes the first en-mass nuclear strike and all missiles are launched immediately. It's pretty much the salvo that turns a conventional war nuclear. The Second Strike is the retaliation from the attack of the first strike and is normally launched as soon as a first strike is detected.



      The goal of the First Strike is to eliminate a Second Strike before a Second Strike could be launched. Thus, targeting the ground based weapons (silos) was critical to any First Strike planning. It's estimated that no matter which side launches first, the first strike will 3% of all Nuclear missiles capable of Second Strike retaliations on the enemy side. Most of these would be Ground Silo and Air based missiles (mobile Launch Platforms might survive, but Global Thermonuclear Warfair is played very much like Horseshoes: Close enough counts). Subs are stealthy enough and mobile enough (and can move over a larger area) that they are only Second Strike vessels and will survive a First Strike Launch.



      For this reason, a Silo based nuclear missile will either be launched immediately or fails to launch and is destroyed by an inbound missile. Additionally, given the secracy of the Subs, siloes are more visible in nuclear deterrence propaganda. Second Strike goals are not so much to obliterate the other side as they are to deter the other side from making a First Strike, as the destruction is mutually assured. It's M.A.D. but hey, we're here and not dying in a nuclear waste land. It's assumed they would get spotted pretty quickly by intel, so they aren't the best hidden sites and for good reason. The U.S. and the USSR both believed the other side was far out performing them in production of delivery vessels. The so-called Bomber Gap and later the Missile Gap, were both issues that featured heavily in Truman, Eisenhower and Kennedy's campaigning. Russia had a more concerning but similar issues, as they knew the U.S. claim to the loser in these gaps were through their own deception and they were really behind and needed to close the gap.



      Suffice to say, once the bombs start flying, survival of any bomb is highly unlikely. It's either going to hit something or get hit before it can leave it's silo.






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        Another problem with this scenario is that in an all out Nuclear War, keeping a missile siloed is not a viable option. Silo based missiles are one part of a "Nuclear Trifecta". A country achieves the Trifecta when they have nuclear arms that are deployable by ground based platforms (silo missiles, mobile missile sites (USSR/Russia)) air platforms (Gravity Bombs dropped from air planes... often the first possible delivery vehicle any country can use... certainly the most reliable by your time frame) and submarine based (the last of the trifecta, usually and only reliable second strike method). There are also two phases of an all out Nuclear War: First-Strike and Second-Strike. First Strike denotes the first en-mass nuclear strike and all missiles are launched immediately. It's pretty much the salvo that turns a conventional war nuclear. The Second Strike is the retaliation from the attack of the first strike and is normally launched as soon as a first strike is detected.



        The goal of the First Strike is to eliminate a Second Strike before a Second Strike could be launched. Thus, targeting the ground based weapons (silos) was critical to any First Strike planning. It's estimated that no matter which side launches first, the first strike will 3% of all Nuclear missiles capable of Second Strike retaliations on the enemy side. Most of these would be Ground Silo and Air based missiles (mobile Launch Platforms might survive, but Global Thermonuclear Warfair is played very much like Horseshoes: Close enough counts). Subs are stealthy enough and mobile enough (and can move over a larger area) that they are only Second Strike vessels and will survive a First Strike Launch.



        For this reason, a Silo based nuclear missile will either be launched immediately or fails to launch and is destroyed by an inbound missile. Additionally, given the secracy of the Subs, siloes are more visible in nuclear deterrence propaganda. Second Strike goals are not so much to obliterate the other side as they are to deter the other side from making a First Strike, as the destruction is mutually assured. It's M.A.D. but hey, we're here and not dying in a nuclear waste land. It's assumed they would get spotted pretty quickly by intel, so they aren't the best hidden sites and for good reason. The U.S. and the USSR both believed the other side was far out performing them in production of delivery vessels. The so-called Bomber Gap and later the Missile Gap, were both issues that featured heavily in Truman, Eisenhower and Kennedy's campaigning. Russia had a more concerning but similar issues, as they knew the U.S. claim to the loser in these gaps were through their own deception and they were really behind and needed to close the gap.



        Suffice to say, once the bombs start flying, survival of any bomb is highly unlikely. It's either going to hit something or get hit before it can leave it's silo.






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        Another problem with this scenario is that in an all out Nuclear War, keeping a missile siloed is not a viable option. Silo based missiles are one part of a "Nuclear Trifecta". A country achieves the Trifecta when they have nuclear arms that are deployable by ground based platforms (silo missiles, mobile missile sites (USSR/Russia)) air platforms (Gravity Bombs dropped from air planes... often the first possible delivery vehicle any country can use... certainly the most reliable by your time frame) and submarine based (the last of the trifecta, usually and only reliable second strike method). There are also two phases of an all out Nuclear War: First-Strike and Second-Strike. First Strike denotes the first en-mass nuclear strike and all missiles are launched immediately. It's pretty much the salvo that turns a conventional war nuclear. The Second Strike is the retaliation from the attack of the first strike and is normally launched as soon as a first strike is detected.



        The goal of the First Strike is to eliminate a Second Strike before a Second Strike could be launched. Thus, targeting the ground based weapons (silos) was critical to any First Strike planning. It's estimated that no matter which side launches first, the first strike will 3% of all Nuclear missiles capable of Second Strike retaliations on the enemy side. Most of these would be Ground Silo and Air based missiles (mobile Launch Platforms might survive, but Global Thermonuclear Warfair is played very much like Horseshoes: Close enough counts). Subs are stealthy enough and mobile enough (and can move over a larger area) that they are only Second Strike vessels and will survive a First Strike Launch.



        For this reason, a Silo based nuclear missile will either be launched immediately or fails to launch and is destroyed by an inbound missile. Additionally, given the secracy of the Subs, siloes are more visible in nuclear deterrence propaganda. Second Strike goals are not so much to obliterate the other side as they are to deter the other side from making a First Strike, as the destruction is mutually assured. It's M.A.D. but hey, we're here and not dying in a nuclear waste land. It's assumed they would get spotted pretty quickly by intel, so they aren't the best hidden sites and for good reason. The U.S. and the USSR both believed the other side was far out performing them in production of delivery vessels. The so-called Bomber Gap and later the Missile Gap, were both issues that featured heavily in Truman, Eisenhower and Kennedy's campaigning. Russia had a more concerning but similar issues, as they knew the U.S. claim to the loser in these gaps were through their own deception and they were really behind and needed to close the gap.



        Suffice to say, once the bombs start flying, survival of any bomb is highly unlikely. It's either going to hit something or get hit before it can leave it's silo.







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