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Perhaps frame this as more of a question and not a demand to your management.

Is there a reason we do process A by hand each time?

or

I understand that we need to do process B every (when ever) is there a reason we cant just automate this task to get away from the tedium?

Or perhaps you could frame it in a language every manager speaks, Money.

Boss, We do process A, X times a week. The time it takes to do process A is Y hours a week. Y hours a week plus my hourly pay is Z which means we are wasting dollars a week doing this. When I could take 1 hour to automate it saving us all that time and money.

With this manager, you are not enabled to directly improve the company, you are expected to follow the manager's direction. This manager will evaluate what kinds of improvements are needed, and will direct people to perform them.

In this case, you did work off the books, and the manager wants to assure themselves that you can be managed (which is doing what is asked of you, without doing extra stuff).

Some companies see work like this as "lack of structure", some companies see doing work like this as "taking initiative." It sounds like you are in a company that won't like such efforts unless the management has approved it beforehand.

Next time offer the solution to management first, and see how they react.

A good manager would either tell you why these tasks cannot be automated (maybe because of special cases where your code would blindly do something really wrong), why the task shouldn't be automated (because your company bills another company by the hour, and that boring and repetitive task is a nice little earner), or if you were the first one who realised that automation was not very difficult, congratulate you to your initiative and results, possibly telling you to check with him the next time.

A bad manager will only care about his power. You went ahead without his knowledge and permission. Maybe his boss has asked why these tasks take so long, and your manager lied they were impossible to automate. Anyway, what is good for the company doesn't count for this manager, so you have no chance to convince him.

Just update your resume (with this great work).

Maybe your manager will have a good reason for not automating tedious tasks. Some things like testing are good to have a human manually sign off on things because they catch obvious (to people) things that aren't in the test steps. Perhaps someone else is already automating it and you duplicated work. Maybe they're concerned with maintaining the automation. Maybe there are legal or regulatory constraints.

But much more likely, your manager unreasonably fears automation or unreasonably favors obedience over all else. Maybe they fear change. Maybe they fear automation will reduce the headcount needed to do the work (and by extension, the need for a manager to manage it all). Maybe they have some need to exert their authority and control over their people. Maybe it's one of dozens of other misguided motivations, or maybe it's simply incompetence.

As a junior, you're unlikely to get them fired - and they're unlikely to change. So ask why you are forbidden from automating the tedium, and see if there is some compromise there or at least some good reason.

If there is not then take your orders, do good work, and look for places that appreciate you.

We don’t really have the context here. I’ll try to put myself in the managers shoes.

Manager is a Product Owner who is responsible for budget as well as schedule. If the manager has planned X number of tasks and did not plan for Y, lets say there is a customer billing aspect to it. If you do Y, then you could have given away Y for free. If Y now leads to an “opportunity”, then you just have given away free money.

Process improvements and automation are great. I am a big proponent. In the future before attempting to realize your idea, do a cost/benefit analysis so the ROI can be captured then planned. That way, you get credit for the improvement and probably still get to do it anyways. Also no one will get mad at you.

I once worked for a retailer who expected hand-written reports faxed to the office at the end of the day. I knew my employer — a tech-averse gentleman who was very good at flying businesses by the seat of his pants — but I was also annoyed with the waste of my time, the waste of resources, and the inherent errors with using a pen.

When I first discussed it with him, he said no. He didn't want to be bothered to understand what I was doing and the processes in place worked for his needs.

Months later, on my own time (I've paid for that particular mistake before), I wrote some simple web pages that let me quickly fill out the reports, generate a PDF, and email that to the main office where they could choose to print it or not. I went out of may way to be sure the fundamentals of the process were not interrupted.

He grumbled, but the office found the reports easier to work with and read and, indeed, from their perspective, nothing had changed other than printing from an email rather than picking up paper from a fax machine.

Over the course of years the owner eventually had me write code that completley automated the store-office reporting process (for multiple stores). It saved hundreds of man-hours a year, thousands of sheets of paper wasted on the reports, and improved the accuracy of the reports.

My secrets?

• My employer didn't pay a brass farthing for my time and effort.


• I was completely willing to back away if anyone complained.


• I didn't make a big deal of it. Though other stores could have immediately benefitted, it would have (legitimately) been perceived as stepping on toes had I tried to promulgate its use.


• I was patient.

Managers are "owners" of their respective little piece of the business and that includes your time and their perception to their supervisors. I could see that my efforts would benefit the company as a whole — but the owner didn't care. That's his perogative. I had to be content that they helped me without interrupting anything else.

Epilogue: years later, as the little software hacks grew and it became obvious that we needed to bring everything together into a single domain with the company's first website, the owner sat me down and showed me pictures of his antique car collection. "You know what I like about these?" he asked. "They're easy to fix. You're building a Lamborghini, and I don't know how to fix it." Message received. Today the company has its own website with substantial automation — and a lot of my own time went in to making sure it was dead simple to use and hard to break. Was it fair that I wasn't paid every penny I could have made? That's irrelevant. In the end, both I and the company benefitted. That was my choice and I've never regretted it.

I can't tell you how to change your managers minds.

But I can tell you what I would do, next time I'd be tasked to do a daily task. I'd automate it, don't tell the manager, and just report every day that the task is done. If the automation is done right, the result will be the same as when it's done manually. Whether I'd share that automation with my team members entire depends on their attitude -- if they happily do menial, tedious, tasks "because whatever the boss says is right" I'd keep my automation for myself. Else, I'd share.

"How can I change my manager's mind?"

At this point, I'd say you can't. Or at least it's not a good idea to try it again right away.

I'd suggest talking to a team lead or a senior dev about why these tasks aren't to be automated. Caution: don't do this as anything official, just make it a normal conversation, the type where a junior is asking to get more information about how things work. This isn't something to start a Conversation about, with a meeting or anything, just something asked offhand.

Your senior or lead should be able to answer these questions without bringing any heat on you from the manager. Beware that your manager could think you were "going behind his back" if you get "caught", and talking your way out of this might not work, so this is a risky path.

You might be able to bring up the questions @jessie mentions in a couple of months or even years, depending on your manager. It really depends on the manager and how careful you are in phrasing things. Try to not "beat the dead horse" or "step on toes", seeing as you may have already inadvertently already done so.

So, my real advice is to let things lay and cool down for a while. Your manager may eventually be curious as to how you managed to automate someone else failed, or may simply see (on their own) that the manual way is wasting time and money. For some managers, you have to make them believe the work is their idea, and, at this point, it may be hard to do on this topic.

Even a good manager could be mad, if you were working on a low priority task when something much higher or critical needs to be worked on instead. Maybe they were just having a bad day and you unintentionally interrupted their workflow.

So, yes, let it drop for a while and do a little unobtrusive recon to figure out a better time or a better approach to suggesting your improvements.

You have to understand the reasons why your manager is declining your request. Was he just surprised? Was there a large battle about the topic with some other dude just a couple of weeks ago? Is there a problem with these tasks which would be immanent from automating these tasks?

If there is no deep reason for him to decline your idea, you might want to argue that you are able to use it and not everybody has to use it. Or ask some co-workers what they think about. Together you might have more arguments or you manager might listen more to his senior stuff.

I disagree with most of the others answers. You don't have to ask for permission to do a side project, unless it eats a big chunk of your working time. Spending one or two hours that will turn out as a loss, that is totally acceptable. Your manager's duty is not know and plan every quarter hour of your working time.

You need to be careful. If I were your manager, you'd be in serious risk of being fired.

First of all, you start working on stuff without asking for permission.

Secondly, when told the tasks mustn't be automated (which may be reasonable for a million different reasons), your response is to become bitchy and ask for internet people to help you convince your manager to change their mind.

You come off as a complete idiot.