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Am I correct, that first address of the subnet is a valid addresses to configure in hosts/routers in case of IPv4 and IPv6 point to point networks? For example, in case of 192.0.2.0/31 one of the hosts would get 192.0.2.0/31 and the other would get 192.0.2.1/31. Or in case of 2001:db8::/127, one of the devices would get the address 2001:db8::/127 and the other would get the 2001:db8::1/127. In other words, the 192.0.2.0 or 2001:db8:: is a completely normal address?










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Am I correct, that first address of the subnet is a valid addresses to configure in hosts/routers in case of IPv4 and IPv6 point to point networks? For example, in case of 192.0.2.0/31 one of the hosts would get 192.0.2.0/31 and the other would get 192.0.2.1/31. Or in case of 2001:db8::/127, one of the devices would get the address 2001:db8::/127 and the other would get the 2001:db8::1/127. In other words, the 192.0.2.0 or 2001:db8:: is a completely normal address?







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Yes, that is correct.



IPv4:



RFC 3021, Using 31-Bit Prefixes on IPv4 Point-to-Point Links explains it for IPv4, but be aware that not all vendors, in particular Microsoft, support /31 networks:




2. Considerations of 31-Bit Prefixes



This section discusses the possible effects, on Internet routing and
operations, of using 31-bit prefixes on point-to-point links. The
considerations made here are also reflected in Section 3.



For the length of this document, an IP address will be interpreted as:



   <Network-number><Host-number>


where the <Host-number> represents the unmasked portion of the
address and it SHOULD be at least 1 bit wide. The "-1" notation is
used to mean that the field has all 1 bits. For purposes of this
discussion, the routing system is considered capable of classless, or
CIDR [RFC1519], routing.



2.1. Addressing



If a 31-bit subnet mask is assigned to a point-to-point link, it
leaves the <Host-number> with only 1 bit. Consequently, only two
possible addresses may result:



   {<Network-number>, 0} and {<Network-number>, -1}


These addresses have historically been associated with network and
broadcast addresses (see Section 2.2). In a point-to-point link
with a 31-bit subnet mask, the two addresses above MUST be interpreted
as host addresses.



2.2. Broadcast and Network Addresses



There are several historically recognized broadcast addresses
[RFC1812] on IP segments:



  (a) the directed broadcast

{<Network-number>, -1}

{<Network-number>, 0}

The network address itself {<Network-number>, 0} is an
obsolete form of directed broadcast, but it may still be used
by older hosts.

(b) the link local (or limited) broadcast

{-1, -1}

{0, 0}

The {0, 0} form of a limited broadcast is obsolete, but may
still be present in a network.


Using a 31-bit prefix length leaves only two numbering possibilities
(see Section 2.1), eliminating the use of a directed broadcast to
the link (see Section 2.2.1). The limited broadcast MUST be used
for all broadcast traffic on a point-to-point link with a 31-bit
subnet mask assigned to it.



The <Network-number> is assigned by the network administrator as
unique to the local routing domain. The decision as to whether a
destination IP address should be a directed broadcast or not is made
by the router directly connected to the destination segment. Current
forwarding schemes and algorithms are not affected in remote routers.



The intent of this document is to discuss the applicability and
operation of 31-bit prefixes on point-to-point links. The effects (if
any) on other types of interfaces are not considered.



2.2.1. Directed Broadcast



When a device wants to reach all the hosts on a given (remote, rather
than directly connected) subnet, it may set the packet's destination
address to the link's subnet broadcast address. This operation is not
possible for point-to-point links with a 31-bit prefix.



As discussed in Section 6, the loss of functionality of a
directed broadcast may actually be seen as a beneficial side effect,
as it slightly enhances the network's resistance to a certain class of
DoS Attacks[RFC2644, SMURF].



2.3. Impact on Current Routing Protocols



Networks with 31-bit prefixes have no impact on current routing
protocols. Most of the currently deployed routing protocols have been
designed to provide classless routing. Furthermore, the communication
between peers is done using multicast, limited broadcast or unicast
addresses (all on the local network), none of which are affected with
the use of 31-bit subnet masks.




Think of it this way for IPv4, every packet sent on a /31 network is actually destined for every other host (there is only one) on the network, which is the definition of a broadcast, so the broadcast doesn't matter on such a network.





IPv6:



IPv6 never had broadcast, so, unlike IPv4, all the addresses in an IPv6 network are available as host addresses, including the all-zeroes and all-ones addresses. IPv6 makes heavy use of multicast.






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    Yes, that is correct.



    IPv4:



    RFC 3021, Using 31-Bit Prefixes on IPv4 Point-to-Point Links explains it for IPv4, but be aware that not all vendors, in particular Microsoft, support /31 networks:




    2. Considerations of 31-Bit Prefixes



    This section discusses the possible effects, on Internet routing and
    operations, of using 31-bit prefixes on point-to-point links. The
    considerations made here are also reflected in Section 3.



    For the length of this document, an IP address will be interpreted as:



       <Network-number><Host-number>


    where the <Host-number> represents the unmasked portion of the
    address and it SHOULD be at least 1 bit wide. The "-1" notation is
    used to mean that the field has all 1 bits. For purposes of this
    discussion, the routing system is considered capable of classless, or
    CIDR [RFC1519], routing.



    2.1. Addressing



    If a 31-bit subnet mask is assigned to a point-to-point link, it
    leaves the <Host-number> with only 1 bit. Consequently, only two
    possible addresses may result:



       {<Network-number>, 0} and {<Network-number>, -1}


    These addresses have historically been associated with network and
    broadcast addresses (see Section 2.2). In a point-to-point link
    with a 31-bit subnet mask, the two addresses above MUST be interpreted
    as host addresses.



    2.2. Broadcast and Network Addresses



    There are several historically recognized broadcast addresses
    [RFC1812] on IP segments:



      (a) the directed broadcast

    {<Network-number>, -1}

    {<Network-number>, 0}

    The network address itself {<Network-number>, 0} is an
    obsolete form of directed broadcast, but it may still be used
    by older hosts.

    (b) the link local (or limited) broadcast

    {-1, -1}

    {0, 0}

    The {0, 0} form of a limited broadcast is obsolete, but may
    still be present in a network.


    Using a 31-bit prefix length leaves only two numbering possibilities
    (see Section 2.1), eliminating the use of a directed broadcast to
    the link (see Section 2.2.1). The limited broadcast MUST be used
    for all broadcast traffic on a point-to-point link with a 31-bit
    subnet mask assigned to it.



    The <Network-number> is assigned by the network administrator as
    unique to the local routing domain. The decision as to whether a
    destination IP address should be a directed broadcast or not is made
    by the router directly connected to the destination segment. Current
    forwarding schemes and algorithms are not affected in remote routers.



    The intent of this document is to discuss the applicability and
    operation of 31-bit prefixes on point-to-point links. The effects (if
    any) on other types of interfaces are not considered.



    2.2.1. Directed Broadcast



    When a device wants to reach all the hosts on a given (remote, rather
    than directly connected) subnet, it may set the packet's destination
    address to the link's subnet broadcast address. This operation is not
    possible for point-to-point links with a 31-bit prefix.



    As discussed in Section 6, the loss of functionality of a
    directed broadcast may actually be seen as a beneficial side effect,
    as it slightly enhances the network's resistance to a certain class of
    DoS Attacks[RFC2644, SMURF].



    2.3. Impact on Current Routing Protocols



    Networks with 31-bit prefixes have no impact on current routing
    protocols. Most of the currently deployed routing protocols have been
    designed to provide classless routing. Furthermore, the communication
    between peers is done using multicast, limited broadcast or unicast
    addresses (all on the local network), none of which are affected with
    the use of 31-bit subnet masks.




    Think of it this way for IPv4, every packet sent on a /31 network is actually destined for every other host (there is only one) on the network, which is the definition of a broadcast, so the broadcast doesn't matter on such a network.





    IPv6:



    IPv6 never had broadcast, so, unlike IPv4, all the addresses in an IPv6 network are available as host addresses, including the all-zeroes and all-ones addresses. IPv6 makes heavy use of multicast.






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      Yes, that is correct.



      IPv4:



      RFC 3021, Using 31-Bit Prefixes on IPv4 Point-to-Point Links explains it for IPv4, but be aware that not all vendors, in particular Microsoft, support /31 networks:




      2. Considerations of 31-Bit Prefixes



      This section discusses the possible effects, on Internet routing and
      operations, of using 31-bit prefixes on point-to-point links. The
      considerations made here are also reflected in Section 3.



      For the length of this document, an IP address will be interpreted as:



         <Network-number><Host-number>


      where the <Host-number> represents the unmasked portion of the
      address and it SHOULD be at least 1 bit wide. The "-1" notation is
      used to mean that the field has all 1 bits. For purposes of this
      discussion, the routing system is considered capable of classless, or
      CIDR [RFC1519], routing.



      2.1. Addressing



      If a 31-bit subnet mask is assigned to a point-to-point link, it
      leaves the <Host-number> with only 1 bit. Consequently, only two
      possible addresses may result:



         {<Network-number>, 0} and {<Network-number>, -1}


      These addresses have historically been associated with network and
      broadcast addresses (see Section 2.2). In a point-to-point link
      with a 31-bit subnet mask, the two addresses above MUST be interpreted
      as host addresses.



      2.2. Broadcast and Network Addresses



      There are several historically recognized broadcast addresses
      [RFC1812] on IP segments:



        (a) the directed broadcast

      {<Network-number>, -1}

      {<Network-number>, 0}

      The network address itself {<Network-number>, 0} is an
      obsolete form of directed broadcast, but it may still be used
      by older hosts.

      (b) the link local (or limited) broadcast

      {-1, -1}

      {0, 0}

      The {0, 0} form of a limited broadcast is obsolete, but may
      still be present in a network.


      Using a 31-bit prefix length leaves only two numbering possibilities
      (see Section 2.1), eliminating the use of a directed broadcast to
      the link (see Section 2.2.1). The limited broadcast MUST be used
      for all broadcast traffic on a point-to-point link with a 31-bit
      subnet mask assigned to it.



      The <Network-number> is assigned by the network administrator as
      unique to the local routing domain. The decision as to whether a
      destination IP address should be a directed broadcast or not is made
      by the router directly connected to the destination segment. Current
      forwarding schemes and algorithms are not affected in remote routers.



      The intent of this document is to discuss the applicability and
      operation of 31-bit prefixes on point-to-point links. The effects (if
      any) on other types of interfaces are not considered.



      2.2.1. Directed Broadcast



      When a device wants to reach all the hosts on a given (remote, rather
      than directly connected) subnet, it may set the packet's destination
      address to the link's subnet broadcast address. This operation is not
      possible for point-to-point links with a 31-bit prefix.



      As discussed in Section 6, the loss of functionality of a
      directed broadcast may actually be seen as a beneficial side effect,
      as it slightly enhances the network's resistance to a certain class of
      DoS Attacks[RFC2644, SMURF].



      2.3. Impact on Current Routing Protocols



      Networks with 31-bit prefixes have no impact on current routing
      protocols. Most of the currently deployed routing protocols have been
      designed to provide classless routing. Furthermore, the communication
      between peers is done using multicast, limited broadcast or unicast
      addresses (all on the local network), none of which are affected with
      the use of 31-bit subnet masks.




      Think of it this way for IPv4, every packet sent on a /31 network is actually destined for every other host (there is only one) on the network, which is the definition of a broadcast, so the broadcast doesn't matter on such a network.





      IPv6:



      IPv6 never had broadcast, so, unlike IPv4, all the addresses in an IPv6 network are available as host addresses, including the all-zeroes and all-ones addresses. IPv6 makes heavy use of multicast.






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        Yes, that is correct.



        IPv4:



        RFC 3021, Using 31-Bit Prefixes on IPv4 Point-to-Point Links explains it for IPv4, but be aware that not all vendors, in particular Microsoft, support /31 networks:




        2. Considerations of 31-Bit Prefixes



        This section discusses the possible effects, on Internet routing and
        operations, of using 31-bit prefixes on point-to-point links. The
        considerations made here are also reflected in Section 3.



        For the length of this document, an IP address will be interpreted as:



           <Network-number><Host-number>


        where the <Host-number> represents the unmasked portion of the
        address and it SHOULD be at least 1 bit wide. The "-1" notation is
        used to mean that the field has all 1 bits. For purposes of this
        discussion, the routing system is considered capable of classless, or
        CIDR [RFC1519], routing.



        2.1. Addressing



        If a 31-bit subnet mask is assigned to a point-to-point link, it
        leaves the <Host-number> with only 1 bit. Consequently, only two
        possible addresses may result:



           {<Network-number>, 0} and {<Network-number>, -1}


        These addresses have historically been associated with network and
        broadcast addresses (see Section 2.2). In a point-to-point link
        with a 31-bit subnet mask, the two addresses above MUST be interpreted
        as host addresses.



        2.2. Broadcast and Network Addresses



        There are several historically recognized broadcast addresses
        [RFC1812] on IP segments:



          (a) the directed broadcast

        {<Network-number>, -1}

        {<Network-number>, 0}

        The network address itself {<Network-number>, 0} is an
        obsolete form of directed broadcast, but it may still be used
        by older hosts.

        (b) the link local (or limited) broadcast

        {-1, -1}

        {0, 0}

        The {0, 0} form of a limited broadcast is obsolete, but may
        still be present in a network.


        Using a 31-bit prefix length leaves only two numbering possibilities
        (see Section 2.1), eliminating the use of a directed broadcast to
        the link (see Section 2.2.1). The limited broadcast MUST be used
        for all broadcast traffic on a point-to-point link with a 31-bit
        subnet mask assigned to it.



        The <Network-number> is assigned by the network administrator as
        unique to the local routing domain. The decision as to whether a
        destination IP address should be a directed broadcast or not is made
        by the router directly connected to the destination segment. Current
        forwarding schemes and algorithms are not affected in remote routers.



        The intent of this document is to discuss the applicability and
        operation of 31-bit prefixes on point-to-point links. The effects (if
        any) on other types of interfaces are not considered.



        2.2.1. Directed Broadcast



        When a device wants to reach all the hosts on a given (remote, rather
        than directly connected) subnet, it may set the packet's destination
        address to the link's subnet broadcast address. This operation is not
        possible for point-to-point links with a 31-bit prefix.



        As discussed in Section 6, the loss of functionality of a
        directed broadcast may actually be seen as a beneficial side effect,
        as it slightly enhances the network's resistance to a certain class of
        DoS Attacks[RFC2644, SMURF].



        2.3. Impact on Current Routing Protocols



        Networks with 31-bit prefixes have no impact on current routing
        protocols. Most of the currently deployed routing protocols have been
        designed to provide classless routing. Furthermore, the communication
        between peers is done using multicast, limited broadcast or unicast
        addresses (all on the local network), none of which are affected with
        the use of 31-bit subnet masks.




        Think of it this way for IPv4, every packet sent on a /31 network is actually destined for every other host (there is only one) on the network, which is the definition of a broadcast, so the broadcast doesn't matter on such a network.





        IPv6:



        IPv6 never had broadcast, so, unlike IPv4, all the addresses in an IPv6 network are available as host addresses, including the all-zeroes and all-ones addresses. IPv6 makes heavy use of multicast.






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        Yes, that is correct.



        IPv4:



        RFC 3021, Using 31-Bit Prefixes on IPv4 Point-to-Point Links explains it for IPv4, but be aware that not all vendors, in particular Microsoft, support /31 networks:




        2. Considerations of 31-Bit Prefixes



        This section discusses the possible effects, on Internet routing and
        operations, of using 31-bit prefixes on point-to-point links. The
        considerations made here are also reflected in Section 3.



        For the length of this document, an IP address will be interpreted as:



           <Network-number><Host-number>


        where the <Host-number> represents the unmasked portion of the
        address and it SHOULD be at least 1 bit wide. The "-1" notation is
        used to mean that the field has all 1 bits. For purposes of this
        discussion, the routing system is considered capable of classless, or
        CIDR [RFC1519], routing.



        2.1. Addressing



        If a 31-bit subnet mask is assigned to a point-to-point link, it
        leaves the <Host-number> with only 1 bit. Consequently, only two
        possible addresses may result:



           {<Network-number>, 0} and {<Network-number>, -1}


        These addresses have historically been associated with network and
        broadcast addresses (see Section 2.2). In a point-to-point link
        with a 31-bit subnet mask, the two addresses above MUST be interpreted
        as host addresses.



        2.2. Broadcast and Network Addresses



        There are several historically recognized broadcast addresses
        [RFC1812] on IP segments:



          (a) the directed broadcast

        {<Network-number>, -1}

        {<Network-number>, 0}

        The network address itself {<Network-number>, 0} is an
        obsolete form of directed broadcast, but it may still be used
        by older hosts.

        (b) the link local (or limited) broadcast

        {-1, -1}

        {0, 0}

        The {0, 0} form of a limited broadcast is obsolete, but may
        still be present in a network.


        Using a 31-bit prefix length leaves only two numbering possibilities
        (see Section 2.1), eliminating the use of a directed broadcast to
        the link (see Section 2.2.1). The limited broadcast MUST be used
        for all broadcast traffic on a point-to-point link with a 31-bit
        subnet mask assigned to it.



        The <Network-number> is assigned by the network administrator as
        unique to the local routing domain. The decision as to whether a
        destination IP address should be a directed broadcast or not is made
        by the router directly connected to the destination segment. Current
        forwarding schemes and algorithms are not affected in remote routers.



        The intent of this document is to discuss the applicability and
        operation of 31-bit prefixes on point-to-point links. The effects (if
        any) on other types of interfaces are not considered.



        2.2.1. Directed Broadcast



        When a device wants to reach all the hosts on a given (remote, rather
        than directly connected) subnet, it may set the packet's destination
        address to the link's subnet broadcast address. This operation is not
        possible for point-to-point links with a 31-bit prefix.



        As discussed in Section 6, the loss of functionality of a
        directed broadcast may actually be seen as a beneficial side effect,
        as it slightly enhances the network's resistance to a certain class of
        DoS Attacks[RFC2644, SMURF].



        2.3. Impact on Current Routing Protocols



        Networks with 31-bit prefixes have no impact on current routing
        protocols. Most of the currently deployed routing protocols have been
        designed to provide classless routing. Furthermore, the communication
        between peers is done using multicast, limited broadcast or unicast
        addresses (all on the local network), none of which are affected with
        the use of 31-bit subnet masks.




        Think of it this way for IPv4, every packet sent on a /31 network is actually destined for every other host (there is only one) on the network, which is the definition of a broadcast, so the broadcast doesn't matter on such a network.





        IPv6:



        IPv6 never had broadcast, so, unlike IPv4, all the addresses in an IPv6 network are available as host addresses, including the all-zeroes and all-ones addresses. IPv6 makes heavy use of multicast.







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