Evaluating the limit using Taylor Series
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We're asked to find the following limit by using Taylor expansions $$lim_{xto{}0}frac{e^{3x}-sin(x)-cos(x)+ln(1-2x)}{-1+cos(5x)}$$
My Attempt:
Expressing $e^{3x}$, $sin(x)$, $cos(x)$, $ln(1-2x)$ and $cos(5x)$ in their respective taylor expansions yielded the following monstrous fraction, https://imgur.com/a/xGyfIyL (Picture size too big to be uploaded here for some reason, plus fraction too large to be expressed in the space given :/) But anyways, I can't seem to factorize this thing and evaluate the limit as $xto{}0$, any help would be appreciated.
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We're asked to find the following limit by using Taylor expansions $$lim_{xto{}0}frac{e^{3x}-sin(x)-cos(x)+ln(1-2x)}{-1+cos(5x)}$$
My Attempt:
Expressing $e^{3x}$, $sin(x)$, $cos(x)$, $ln(1-2x)$ and $cos(5x)$ in their respective taylor expansions yielded the following monstrous fraction, https://imgur.com/a/xGyfIyL (Picture size too big to be uploaded here for some reason, plus fraction too large to be expressed in the space given :/) But anyways, I can't seem to factorize this thing and evaluate the limit as $xto{}0$, any help would be appreciated.
calculus limits analysis taylor-expansion
A hint is that only the leading terms are going to matter. Can you see what happens to the constant, $x$, and $x^2$ terms in the numerator and denominator?
– user113102
1 hour ago
As @gimusi notes, you do not need the explicit Taylor series for the fraction. You can answer the question with some algebra on the leading terms for numerator and denominator.
– Ethan Bolker
1 hour ago
The main point is to guess the correct order for the expansion. In the doubt we could decide to start with the first order to obtain $$frac{e^{3x}-sin(x)-cos(x)+ln(1-2x)}{-1+cos(5x)}=frac{1+3x-x-1-2x+o(x)}{-1+1+o(x)}$$ which is an indeterminate form $frac 0 0$. When this happen it means that the order used is not sufficient. Then we can try with the order $2$ which indeed works fine. Of course also all the orders greater than $2$ work fine. But the second order suffices, how we can easily guess looking at the denominator.
– gimusi
1 hour ago
I see now how I can go about evaluating the limit itself although I still find the concept a little bit vague, as in considering a specific order for the expansion and then applying it for all the functions while leaving the rest of the series behind, it'll probably start making more sense in a few more examples. Thanks for the help :)
– kareem bokai
1 hour ago
@kareembokai Yes of course you need only to practice to get confident with the method. The main rule is that all the function must be expanded to the same order. Note also that we can get an uncorrect evaluation when the order is too low than the minimum requested but not when the order is higher (but it requires more effort and work). Then you need to practice a lot with that in order to becomemore and more confident.
– gimusi
1 hour ago
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We're asked to find the following limit by using Taylor expansions $$lim_{xto{}0}frac{e^{3x}-sin(x)-cos(x)+ln(1-2x)}{-1+cos(5x)}$$
My Attempt:
Expressing $e^{3x}$, $sin(x)$, $cos(x)$, $ln(1-2x)$ and $cos(5x)$ in their respective taylor expansions yielded the following monstrous fraction, https://imgur.com/a/xGyfIyL (Picture size too big to be uploaded here for some reason, plus fraction too large to be expressed in the space given :/) But anyways, I can't seem to factorize this thing and evaluate the limit as $xto{}0$, any help would be appreciated.
calculus limits analysis taylor-expansion
We're asked to find the following limit by using Taylor expansions $$lim_{xto{}0}frac{e^{3x}-sin(x)-cos(x)+ln(1-2x)}{-1+cos(5x)}$$
My Attempt:
Expressing $e^{3x}$, $sin(x)$, $cos(x)$, $ln(1-2x)$ and $cos(5x)$ in their respective taylor expansions yielded the following monstrous fraction, https://imgur.com/a/xGyfIyL (Picture size too big to be uploaded here for some reason, plus fraction too large to be expressed in the space given :/) But anyways, I can't seem to factorize this thing and evaluate the limit as $xto{}0$, any help would be appreciated.
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A hint is that only the leading terms are going to matter. Can you see what happens to the constant, $x$, and $x^2$ terms in the numerator and denominator?
– user113102
1 hour ago
As @gimusi notes, you do not need the explicit Taylor series for the fraction. You can answer the question with some algebra on the leading terms for numerator and denominator.
– Ethan Bolker
1 hour ago
The main point is to guess the correct order for the expansion. In the doubt we could decide to start with the first order to obtain $$frac{e^{3x}-sin(x)-cos(x)+ln(1-2x)}{-1+cos(5x)}=frac{1+3x-x-1-2x+o(x)}{-1+1+o(x)}$$ which is an indeterminate form $frac 0 0$. When this happen it means that the order used is not sufficient. Then we can try with the order $2$ which indeed works fine. Of course also all the orders greater than $2$ work fine. But the second order suffices, how we can easily guess looking at the denominator.
– gimusi
1 hour ago
I see now how I can go about evaluating the limit itself although I still find the concept a little bit vague, as in considering a specific order for the expansion and then applying it for all the functions while leaving the rest of the series behind, it'll probably start making more sense in a few more examples. Thanks for the help :)
– kareem bokai
1 hour ago
@kareembokai Yes of course you need only to practice to get confident with the method. The main rule is that all the function must be expanded to the same order. Note also that we can get an uncorrect evaluation when the order is too low than the minimum requested but not when the order is higher (but it requires more effort and work). Then you need to practice a lot with that in order to becomemore and more confident.
– gimusi
1 hour ago
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A hint is that only the leading terms are going to matter. Can you see what happens to the constant, $x$, and $x^2$ terms in the numerator and denominator?
– user113102
1 hour ago
As @gimusi notes, you do not need the explicit Taylor series for the fraction. You can answer the question with some algebra on the leading terms for numerator and denominator.
– Ethan Bolker
1 hour ago
The main point is to guess the correct order for the expansion. In the doubt we could decide to start with the first order to obtain $$frac{e^{3x}-sin(x)-cos(x)+ln(1-2x)}{-1+cos(5x)}=frac{1+3x-x-1-2x+o(x)}{-1+1+o(x)}$$ which is an indeterminate form $frac 0 0$. When this happen it means that the order used is not sufficient. Then we can try with the order $2$ which indeed works fine. Of course also all the orders greater than $2$ work fine. But the second order suffices, how we can easily guess looking at the denominator.
– gimusi
1 hour ago
I see now how I can go about evaluating the limit itself although I still find the concept a little bit vague, as in considering a specific order for the expansion and then applying it for all the functions while leaving the rest of the series behind, it'll probably start making more sense in a few more examples. Thanks for the help :)
– kareem bokai
1 hour ago
@kareembokai Yes of course you need only to practice to get confident with the method. The main rule is that all the function must be expanded to the same order. Note also that we can get an uncorrect evaluation when the order is too low than the minimum requested but not when the order is higher (but it requires more effort and work). Then you need to practice a lot with that in order to becomemore and more confident.
– gimusi
1 hour ago
A hint is that only the leading terms are going to matter. Can you see what happens to the constant, $x$, and $x^2$ terms in the numerator and denominator?
– user113102
1 hour ago
A hint is that only the leading terms are going to matter. Can you see what happens to the constant, $x$, and $x^2$ terms in the numerator and denominator?
– user113102
1 hour ago
As @gimusi notes, you do not need the explicit Taylor series for the fraction. You can answer the question with some algebra on the leading terms for numerator and denominator.
– Ethan Bolker
1 hour ago
As @gimusi notes, you do not need the explicit Taylor series for the fraction. You can answer the question with some algebra on the leading terms for numerator and denominator.
– Ethan Bolker
1 hour ago
The main point is to guess the correct order for the expansion. In the doubt we could decide to start with the first order to obtain $$frac{e^{3x}-sin(x)-cos(x)+ln(1-2x)}{-1+cos(5x)}=frac{1+3x-x-1-2x+o(x)}{-1+1+o(x)}$$ which is an indeterminate form $frac 0 0$. When this happen it means that the order used is not sufficient. Then we can try with the order $2$ which indeed works fine. Of course also all the orders greater than $2$ work fine. But the second order suffices, how we can easily guess looking at the denominator.
– gimusi
1 hour ago
The main point is to guess the correct order for the expansion. In the doubt we could decide to start with the first order to obtain $$frac{e^{3x}-sin(x)-cos(x)+ln(1-2x)}{-1+cos(5x)}=frac{1+3x-x-1-2x+o(x)}{-1+1+o(x)}$$ which is an indeterminate form $frac 0 0$. When this happen it means that the order used is not sufficient. Then we can try with the order $2$ which indeed works fine. Of course also all the orders greater than $2$ work fine. But the second order suffices, how we can easily guess looking at the denominator.
– gimusi
1 hour ago
I see now how I can go about evaluating the limit itself although I still find the concept a little bit vague, as in considering a specific order for the expansion and then applying it for all the functions while leaving the rest of the series behind, it'll probably start making more sense in a few more examples. Thanks for the help :)
– kareem bokai
1 hour ago
I see now how I can go about evaluating the limit itself although I still find the concept a little bit vague, as in considering a specific order for the expansion and then applying it for all the functions while leaving the rest of the series behind, it'll probably start making more sense in a few more examples. Thanks for the help :)
– kareem bokai
1 hour ago
@kareembokai Yes of course you need only to practice to get confident with the method. The main rule is that all the function must be expanded to the same order. Note also that we can get an uncorrect evaluation when the order is too low than the minimum requested but not when the order is higher (but it requires more effort and work). Then you need to practice a lot with that in order to becomemore and more confident.
– gimusi
1 hour ago
@kareembokai Yes of course you need only to practice to get confident with the method. The main rule is that all the function must be expanded to the same order. Note also that we can get an uncorrect evaluation when the order is too low than the minimum requested but not when the order is higher (but it requires more effort and work). Then you need to practice a lot with that in order to becomemore and more confident.
– gimusi
1 hour ago
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HINT
By Taylor's expansion, term by term, we have that
- $e^{3x}=1+3x+frac92x^2+o(x^2)$
- $sin x =x+o(x^2)$
- $cos x = 1-frac12 x^2+o(x^2)$
- $log(1-2x)=-2x-2x^2+o(x^2)$
- $cos (5x) = 1-frac{25}2 x^2+o(x^2)$
and then
$$frac{e^{3x}-sin(x)-cos(x)+ln(1-2x)}{-1+cos(5x)}=frac{1+3x+frac92x^2-x-1+frac12x^2-2x-2x^2+o(x^2)}{-1+1-frac{25}2x^2+o(x^2)}$$
Can you conclude from here?
Edit for a remark
The main point with Taylor's expansion is to guess the correct order to use for the expansion and there is not general a rule to be sure about the order to use.
In the doubt, we could decide to start with the first order to obtain $$frac{e^{3x}-sin(x)-cos(x)+ln(1-2x)}{-1+cos(5x)}=frac{1+3x-x-1-2x+o(x)}{-1+1+o(x)}$$ which is an indeterminate form $frac 0 0$.
When this happen it means that the order used is not sufficient. Then we can try with the order $2$ which indeed works fine. Of course also all the orders greater than $2$ work fine. But the second order suffices, how we can easily guess, in that case, looking at the denominator which is in the form $cx^2+o(x^2)$.
I do see that you've ended up with the leading terms, however I still don't see how you managed to get rid of all the other terms so quickly
– kareem bokai
1 hour ago
@kareembokai I add something on that!
– gimusi
1 hour ago
@kareembokai Let me know whether now it is clear or not. In case do not hesitate to ask for any clarification.
– gimusi
1 hour ago
In general it's better to start with the term that appears simpler, in this case the denominator, which is easily seen to have order $2$.
– egreg
49 mins ago
@egreg Yes I agree in that case is quite simple, is some other cases for a student new in the topic it can be not so straightforward to see, but after a while and some tons of limits it becomes a simple task for usual limits.
– gimusi
46 mins ago
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There is nothing monstrous in that computation. If you want a compact resolution, compute separately the coefficients in increasing order (numerator/denominator).
constant terms: $1-1=0 / -1+1=0$;
linear terms: $3-1-2=0 / 0$;
quadratic terms: $dfrac92+dfrac12-2=dfrac{6}{2} / -dfrac{25}2$.
As the first nonzero coefficients are of the same order, the limit is finite and is the ratio
$$-frac{6}{25}.$$
The trick is to obtain a fraction like
$$frac{ax^n+text{higher order terms}}{bx^m+text{higher order terms}}=x^{n-m}frac{a+text{higher order terms}}{b+text{higher order terms}}$$ which tends to $0,dfrac ab$ or $pminfty$ depending on the sign of $n-m$.
Nice way to simplify even if it requires a few of experience to be handle in that way.
– gimusi
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From your picture, it seems an expansion at order $2$ will do. All functions should be expanded at the same
order, using, say Taylor-Young's formula. Thus
$mathrm e^{3x}=1+3x+frac92x^2+o(x^2)$,
$sin x =x+o(x^2)$,
$cos x=1-frac12 x^2+o(x^2)$,
$ln(1-2x)=-2x-frac42 x^2+o(x^2)$
Thus the numerator is
$$N(x)=1+3x+frac92x^2-x-1+frac12 x^2-2x-2 x^2+o(x^2)=3 x^2+o(x^2).$$
Can you proceed?
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We need only quote the numerator and denominator up to $x^2$ terms: $$lim_{xto 0}frac{1+3x+color{blue}{9x^2/2}-x-1+color{blue}{x^2/2}-2xcolor{blue}{-2x^2}+O(x^3)}{-1+1color{blue}{-25x^2/2}+O(x^3)}.$$You'll find only $x^2$ terms survive in each.
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4 Answers
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HINT
By Taylor's expansion, term by term, we have that
- $e^{3x}=1+3x+frac92x^2+o(x^2)$
- $sin x =x+o(x^2)$
- $cos x = 1-frac12 x^2+o(x^2)$
- $log(1-2x)=-2x-2x^2+o(x^2)$
- $cos (5x) = 1-frac{25}2 x^2+o(x^2)$
and then
$$frac{e^{3x}-sin(x)-cos(x)+ln(1-2x)}{-1+cos(5x)}=frac{1+3x+frac92x^2-x-1+frac12x^2-2x-2x^2+o(x^2)}{-1+1-frac{25}2x^2+o(x^2)}$$
Can you conclude from here?
Edit for a remark
The main point with Taylor's expansion is to guess the correct order to use for the expansion and there is not general a rule to be sure about the order to use.
In the doubt, we could decide to start with the first order to obtain $$frac{e^{3x}-sin(x)-cos(x)+ln(1-2x)}{-1+cos(5x)}=frac{1+3x-x-1-2x+o(x)}{-1+1+o(x)}$$ which is an indeterminate form $frac 0 0$.
When this happen it means that the order used is not sufficient. Then we can try with the order $2$ which indeed works fine. Of course also all the orders greater than $2$ work fine. But the second order suffices, how we can easily guess, in that case, looking at the denominator which is in the form $cx^2+o(x^2)$.
I do see that you've ended up with the leading terms, however I still don't see how you managed to get rid of all the other terms so quickly
– kareem bokai
1 hour ago
@kareembokai I add something on that!
– gimusi
1 hour ago
@kareembokai Let me know whether now it is clear or not. In case do not hesitate to ask for any clarification.
– gimusi
1 hour ago
In general it's better to start with the term that appears simpler, in this case the denominator, which is easily seen to have order $2$.
– egreg
49 mins ago
@egreg Yes I agree in that case is quite simple, is some other cases for a student new in the topic it can be not so straightforward to see, but after a while and some tons of limits it becomes a simple task for usual limits.
– gimusi
46 mins ago
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HINT
By Taylor's expansion, term by term, we have that
- $e^{3x}=1+3x+frac92x^2+o(x^2)$
- $sin x =x+o(x^2)$
- $cos x = 1-frac12 x^2+o(x^2)$
- $log(1-2x)=-2x-2x^2+o(x^2)$
- $cos (5x) = 1-frac{25}2 x^2+o(x^2)$
and then
$$frac{e^{3x}-sin(x)-cos(x)+ln(1-2x)}{-1+cos(5x)}=frac{1+3x+frac92x^2-x-1+frac12x^2-2x-2x^2+o(x^2)}{-1+1-frac{25}2x^2+o(x^2)}$$
Can you conclude from here?
Edit for a remark
The main point with Taylor's expansion is to guess the correct order to use for the expansion and there is not general a rule to be sure about the order to use.
In the doubt, we could decide to start with the first order to obtain $$frac{e^{3x}-sin(x)-cos(x)+ln(1-2x)}{-1+cos(5x)}=frac{1+3x-x-1-2x+o(x)}{-1+1+o(x)}$$ which is an indeterminate form $frac 0 0$.
When this happen it means that the order used is not sufficient. Then we can try with the order $2$ which indeed works fine. Of course also all the orders greater than $2$ work fine. But the second order suffices, how we can easily guess, in that case, looking at the denominator which is in the form $cx^2+o(x^2)$.
I do see that you've ended up with the leading terms, however I still don't see how you managed to get rid of all the other terms so quickly
– kareem bokai
1 hour ago
@kareembokai I add something on that!
– gimusi
1 hour ago
@kareembokai Let me know whether now it is clear or not. In case do not hesitate to ask for any clarification.
– gimusi
1 hour ago
In general it's better to start with the term that appears simpler, in this case the denominator, which is easily seen to have order $2$.
– egreg
49 mins ago
@egreg Yes I agree in that case is quite simple, is some other cases for a student new in the topic it can be not so straightforward to see, but after a while and some tons of limits it becomes a simple task for usual limits.
– gimusi
46 mins ago
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up vote
5
down vote
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HINT
By Taylor's expansion, term by term, we have that
- $e^{3x}=1+3x+frac92x^2+o(x^2)$
- $sin x =x+o(x^2)$
- $cos x = 1-frac12 x^2+o(x^2)$
- $log(1-2x)=-2x-2x^2+o(x^2)$
- $cos (5x) = 1-frac{25}2 x^2+o(x^2)$
and then
$$frac{e^{3x}-sin(x)-cos(x)+ln(1-2x)}{-1+cos(5x)}=frac{1+3x+frac92x^2-x-1+frac12x^2-2x-2x^2+o(x^2)}{-1+1-frac{25}2x^2+o(x^2)}$$
Can you conclude from here?
Edit for a remark
The main point with Taylor's expansion is to guess the correct order to use for the expansion and there is not general a rule to be sure about the order to use.
In the doubt, we could decide to start with the first order to obtain $$frac{e^{3x}-sin(x)-cos(x)+ln(1-2x)}{-1+cos(5x)}=frac{1+3x-x-1-2x+o(x)}{-1+1+o(x)}$$ which is an indeterminate form $frac 0 0$.
When this happen it means that the order used is not sufficient. Then we can try with the order $2$ which indeed works fine. Of course also all the orders greater than $2$ work fine. But the second order suffices, how we can easily guess, in that case, looking at the denominator which is in the form $cx^2+o(x^2)$.
HINT
By Taylor's expansion, term by term, we have that
- $e^{3x}=1+3x+frac92x^2+o(x^2)$
- $sin x =x+o(x^2)$
- $cos x = 1-frac12 x^2+o(x^2)$
- $log(1-2x)=-2x-2x^2+o(x^2)$
- $cos (5x) = 1-frac{25}2 x^2+o(x^2)$
and then
$$frac{e^{3x}-sin(x)-cos(x)+ln(1-2x)}{-1+cos(5x)}=frac{1+3x+frac92x^2-x-1+frac12x^2-2x-2x^2+o(x^2)}{-1+1-frac{25}2x^2+o(x^2)}$$
Can you conclude from here?
Edit for a remark
The main point with Taylor's expansion is to guess the correct order to use for the expansion and there is not general a rule to be sure about the order to use.
In the doubt, we could decide to start with the first order to obtain $$frac{e^{3x}-sin(x)-cos(x)+ln(1-2x)}{-1+cos(5x)}=frac{1+3x-x-1-2x+o(x)}{-1+1+o(x)}$$ which is an indeterminate form $frac 0 0$.
When this happen it means that the order used is not sufficient. Then we can try with the order $2$ which indeed works fine. Of course also all the orders greater than $2$ work fine. But the second order suffices, how we can easily guess, in that case, looking at the denominator which is in the form $cx^2+o(x^2)$.
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I do see that you've ended up with the leading terms, however I still don't see how you managed to get rid of all the other terms so quickly
– kareem bokai
1 hour ago
@kareembokai I add something on that!
– gimusi
1 hour ago
@kareembokai Let me know whether now it is clear or not. In case do not hesitate to ask for any clarification.
– gimusi
1 hour ago
In general it's better to start with the term that appears simpler, in this case the denominator, which is easily seen to have order $2$.
– egreg
49 mins ago
@egreg Yes I agree in that case is quite simple, is some other cases for a student new in the topic it can be not so straightforward to see, but after a while and some tons of limits it becomes a simple task for usual limits.
– gimusi
46 mins ago
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I do see that you've ended up with the leading terms, however I still don't see how you managed to get rid of all the other terms so quickly
– kareem bokai
1 hour ago
@kareembokai I add something on that!
– gimusi
1 hour ago
@kareembokai Let me know whether now it is clear or not. In case do not hesitate to ask for any clarification.
– gimusi
1 hour ago
In general it's better to start with the term that appears simpler, in this case the denominator, which is easily seen to have order $2$.
– egreg
49 mins ago
@egreg Yes I agree in that case is quite simple, is some other cases for a student new in the topic it can be not so straightforward to see, but after a while and some tons of limits it becomes a simple task for usual limits.
– gimusi
46 mins ago
I do see that you've ended up with the leading terms, however I still don't see how you managed to get rid of all the other terms so quickly
– kareem bokai
1 hour ago
I do see that you've ended up with the leading terms, however I still don't see how you managed to get rid of all the other terms so quickly
– kareem bokai
1 hour ago
@kareembokai I add something on that!
– gimusi
1 hour ago
@kareembokai I add something on that!
– gimusi
1 hour ago
@kareembokai Let me know whether now it is clear or not. In case do not hesitate to ask for any clarification.
– gimusi
1 hour ago
@kareembokai Let me know whether now it is clear or not. In case do not hesitate to ask for any clarification.
– gimusi
1 hour ago
In general it's better to start with the term that appears simpler, in this case the denominator, which is easily seen to have order $2$.
– egreg
49 mins ago
In general it's better to start with the term that appears simpler, in this case the denominator, which is easily seen to have order $2$.
– egreg
49 mins ago
@egreg Yes I agree in that case is quite simple, is some other cases for a student new in the topic it can be not so straightforward to see, but after a while and some tons of limits it becomes a simple task for usual limits.
– gimusi
46 mins ago
@egreg Yes I agree in that case is quite simple, is some other cases for a student new in the topic it can be not so straightforward to see, but after a while and some tons of limits it becomes a simple task for usual limits.
– gimusi
46 mins ago
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There is nothing monstrous in that computation. If you want a compact resolution, compute separately the coefficients in increasing order (numerator/denominator).
constant terms: $1-1=0 / -1+1=0$;
linear terms: $3-1-2=0 / 0$;
quadratic terms: $dfrac92+dfrac12-2=dfrac{6}{2} / -dfrac{25}2$.
As the first nonzero coefficients are of the same order, the limit is finite and is the ratio
$$-frac{6}{25}.$$
The trick is to obtain a fraction like
$$frac{ax^n+text{higher order terms}}{bx^m+text{higher order terms}}=x^{n-m}frac{a+text{higher order terms}}{b+text{higher order terms}}$$ which tends to $0,dfrac ab$ or $pminfty$ depending on the sign of $n-m$.
Nice way to simplify even if it requires a few of experience to be handle in that way.
– gimusi
1 hour ago
add a comment |
up vote
2
down vote
There is nothing monstrous in that computation. If you want a compact resolution, compute separately the coefficients in increasing order (numerator/denominator).
constant terms: $1-1=0 / -1+1=0$;
linear terms: $3-1-2=0 / 0$;
quadratic terms: $dfrac92+dfrac12-2=dfrac{6}{2} / -dfrac{25}2$.
As the first nonzero coefficients are of the same order, the limit is finite and is the ratio
$$-frac{6}{25}.$$
The trick is to obtain a fraction like
$$frac{ax^n+text{higher order terms}}{bx^m+text{higher order terms}}=x^{n-m}frac{a+text{higher order terms}}{b+text{higher order terms}}$$ which tends to $0,dfrac ab$ or $pminfty$ depending on the sign of $n-m$.
Nice way to simplify even if it requires a few of experience to be handle in that way.
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There is nothing monstrous in that computation. If you want a compact resolution, compute separately the coefficients in increasing order (numerator/denominator).
constant terms: $1-1=0 / -1+1=0$;
linear terms: $3-1-2=0 / 0$;
quadratic terms: $dfrac92+dfrac12-2=dfrac{6}{2} / -dfrac{25}2$.
As the first nonzero coefficients are of the same order, the limit is finite and is the ratio
$$-frac{6}{25}.$$
The trick is to obtain a fraction like
$$frac{ax^n+text{higher order terms}}{bx^m+text{higher order terms}}=x^{n-m}frac{a+text{higher order terms}}{b+text{higher order terms}}$$ which tends to $0,dfrac ab$ or $pminfty$ depending on the sign of $n-m$.
There is nothing monstrous in that computation. If you want a compact resolution, compute separately the coefficients in increasing order (numerator/denominator).
constant terms: $1-1=0 / -1+1=0$;
linear terms: $3-1-2=0 / 0$;
quadratic terms: $dfrac92+dfrac12-2=dfrac{6}{2} / -dfrac{25}2$.
As the first nonzero coefficients are of the same order, the limit is finite and is the ratio
$$-frac{6}{25}.$$
The trick is to obtain a fraction like
$$frac{ax^n+text{higher order terms}}{bx^m+text{higher order terms}}=x^{n-m}frac{a+text{higher order terms}}{b+text{higher order terms}}$$ which tends to $0,dfrac ab$ or $pminfty$ depending on the sign of $n-m$.
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Nice way to simplify even if it requires a few of experience to be handle in that way.
– gimusi
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Nice way to simplify even if it requires a few of experience to be handle in that way.
– gimusi
1 hour ago
Nice way to simplify even if it requires a few of experience to be handle in that way.
– gimusi
1 hour ago
Nice way to simplify even if it requires a few of experience to be handle in that way.
– gimusi
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From your picture, it seems an expansion at order $2$ will do. All functions should be expanded at the same
order, using, say Taylor-Young's formula. Thus
$mathrm e^{3x}=1+3x+frac92x^2+o(x^2)$,
$sin x =x+o(x^2)$,
$cos x=1-frac12 x^2+o(x^2)$,
$ln(1-2x)=-2x-frac42 x^2+o(x^2)$
Thus the numerator is
$$N(x)=1+3x+frac92x^2-x-1+frac12 x^2-2x-2 x^2+o(x^2)=3 x^2+o(x^2).$$
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From your picture, it seems an expansion at order $2$ will do. All functions should be expanded at the same
order, using, say Taylor-Young's formula. Thus
$mathrm e^{3x}=1+3x+frac92x^2+o(x^2)$,
$sin x =x+o(x^2)$,
$cos x=1-frac12 x^2+o(x^2)$,
$ln(1-2x)=-2x-frac42 x^2+o(x^2)$
Thus the numerator is
$$N(x)=1+3x+frac92x^2-x-1+frac12 x^2-2x-2 x^2+o(x^2)=3 x^2+o(x^2).$$
Can you proceed?
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From your picture, it seems an expansion at order $2$ will do. All functions should be expanded at the same
order, using, say Taylor-Young's formula. Thus
$mathrm e^{3x}=1+3x+frac92x^2+o(x^2)$,
$sin x =x+o(x^2)$,
$cos x=1-frac12 x^2+o(x^2)$,
$ln(1-2x)=-2x-frac42 x^2+o(x^2)$
Thus the numerator is
$$N(x)=1+3x+frac92x^2-x-1+frac12 x^2-2x-2 x^2+o(x^2)=3 x^2+o(x^2).$$
Can you proceed?
From your picture, it seems an expansion at order $2$ will do. All functions should be expanded at the same
order, using, say Taylor-Young's formula. Thus
$mathrm e^{3x}=1+3x+frac92x^2+o(x^2)$,
$sin x =x+o(x^2)$,
$cos x=1-frac12 x^2+o(x^2)$,
$ln(1-2x)=-2x-frac42 x^2+o(x^2)$
Thus the numerator is
$$N(x)=1+3x+frac92x^2-x-1+frac12 x^2-2x-2 x^2+o(x^2)=3 x^2+o(x^2).$$
Can you proceed?
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We need only quote the numerator and denominator up to $x^2$ terms: $$lim_{xto 0}frac{1+3x+color{blue}{9x^2/2}-x-1+color{blue}{x^2/2}-2xcolor{blue}{-2x^2}+O(x^3)}{-1+1color{blue}{-25x^2/2}+O(x^3)}.$$You'll find only $x^2$ terms survive in each.
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We need only quote the numerator and denominator up to $x^2$ terms: $$lim_{xto 0}frac{1+3x+color{blue}{9x^2/2}-x-1+color{blue}{x^2/2}-2xcolor{blue}{-2x^2}+O(x^3)}{-1+1color{blue}{-25x^2/2}+O(x^3)}.$$You'll find only $x^2$ terms survive in each.
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We need only quote the numerator and denominator up to $x^2$ terms: $$lim_{xto 0}frac{1+3x+color{blue}{9x^2/2}-x-1+color{blue}{x^2/2}-2xcolor{blue}{-2x^2}+O(x^3)}{-1+1color{blue}{-25x^2/2}+O(x^3)}.$$You'll find only $x^2$ terms survive in each.
We need only quote the numerator and denominator up to $x^2$ terms: $$lim_{xto 0}frac{1+3x+color{blue}{9x^2/2}-x-1+color{blue}{x^2/2}-2xcolor{blue}{-2x^2}+O(x^3)}{-1+1color{blue}{-25x^2/2}+O(x^3)}.$$You'll find only $x^2$ terms survive in each.
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A hint is that only the leading terms are going to matter. Can you see what happens to the constant, $x$, and $x^2$ terms in the numerator and denominator?
– user113102
1 hour ago
As @gimusi notes, you do not need the explicit Taylor series for the fraction. You can answer the question with some algebra on the leading terms for numerator and denominator.
– Ethan Bolker
1 hour ago
The main point is to guess the correct order for the expansion. In the doubt we could decide to start with the first order to obtain $$frac{e^{3x}-sin(x)-cos(x)+ln(1-2x)}{-1+cos(5x)}=frac{1+3x-x-1-2x+o(x)}{-1+1+o(x)}$$ which is an indeterminate form $frac 0 0$. When this happen it means that the order used is not sufficient. Then we can try with the order $2$ which indeed works fine. Of course also all the orders greater than $2$ work fine. But the second order suffices, how we can easily guess looking at the denominator.
– gimusi
1 hour ago
I see now how I can go about evaluating the limit itself although I still find the concept a little bit vague, as in considering a specific order for the expansion and then applying it for all the functions while leaving the rest of the series behind, it'll probably start making more sense in a few more examples. Thanks for the help :)
– kareem bokai
1 hour ago
@kareembokai Yes of course you need only to practice to get confident with the method. The main rule is that all the function must be expanded to the same order. Note also that we can get an uncorrect evaluation when the order is too low than the minimum requested but not when the order is higher (but it requires more effort and work). Then you need to practice a lot with that in order to becomemore and more confident.
– gimusi
1 hour ago