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While answering this question I wondered: for countries/areas that have rules such as the 90/180 rules of the Schengen Area, do airlines bother to count how long you have already been in the area?



As we all know, airlines have a duty to check documentation of boarding passengers to make sure they have the required paperwork (valid passport, valid visa or travel authorisation/electronic visa if required...). If they let someone without the relevant paperwork board and reach the destination country, they not only have to carry them back, but in many cases also face penalties (which can be quite hefty).



Airlines obviously can't check everything (they don't have all the information), but do they have to count the days a passenger has stayed in the Schengen Area in the last 180 days (by checking the stamps in the passport)? That would seem like a quite time-consuming (and error-prone) process. Or is that checked as part of Advance Passenger Information screening?



Does anyone have any experience of this? Do airlines have to do it? Do they actually do it (never / sometimes / often / always)? Do they even have enough information to do it?










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  • It’s not their responsibility. That’s the passengers responsibility. It would be unfair to expect airlines to do that considering some passengers are frequent travelers with complex travel plans and histories. They are limited to confirming the validity of the visa, that’s it.
    – Honorary World Citizen
    2 hours ago












  • @HonoraryWorldCitizen that would be my guess as well, but border authorities try to push more and more work on the side of the airlines, so anything is possible. Also, it could be part of the API process, so the actual check could be done by the authorities, but it would still be the airline refusing boarding at the origin.
    – jcaron
    2 hours ago










  • I understand however that’s not the case. Airlines are not integrated into immigration databases to the point of having the data to do those calculations.
    – Honorary World Citizen
    2 hours ago










  • @HonoraryWorldCitizen What about API then? Could there be a boarding refusal notice issued in response to an API because the destination country estimates that the passenger already reached/exceeded maximum stays?
    – jcaron
    1 hour ago






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    @HonoraryWorldCitizen and jcaron, it could not be part of the API process since there is no database of Schengen entry and exit.records.
    – phoog
    36 mins ago

















up vote
1
down vote

favorite












While answering this question I wondered: for countries/areas that have rules such as the 90/180 rules of the Schengen Area, do airlines bother to count how long you have already been in the area?



As we all know, airlines have a duty to check documentation of boarding passengers to make sure they have the required paperwork (valid passport, valid visa or travel authorisation/electronic visa if required...). If they let someone without the relevant paperwork board and reach the destination country, they not only have to carry them back, but in many cases also face penalties (which can be quite hefty).



Airlines obviously can't check everything (they don't have all the information), but do they have to count the days a passenger has stayed in the Schengen Area in the last 180 days (by checking the stamps in the passport)? That would seem like a quite time-consuming (and error-prone) process. Or is that checked as part of Advance Passenger Information screening?



Does anyone have any experience of this? Do airlines have to do it? Do they actually do it (never / sometimes / often / always)? Do they even have enough information to do it?










share|improve this question






















  • It’s not their responsibility. That’s the passengers responsibility. It would be unfair to expect airlines to do that considering some passengers are frequent travelers with complex travel plans and histories. They are limited to confirming the validity of the visa, that’s it.
    – Honorary World Citizen
    2 hours ago












  • @HonoraryWorldCitizen that would be my guess as well, but border authorities try to push more and more work on the side of the airlines, so anything is possible. Also, it could be part of the API process, so the actual check could be done by the authorities, but it would still be the airline refusing boarding at the origin.
    – jcaron
    2 hours ago










  • I understand however that’s not the case. Airlines are not integrated into immigration databases to the point of having the data to do those calculations.
    – Honorary World Citizen
    2 hours ago










  • @HonoraryWorldCitizen What about API then? Could there be a boarding refusal notice issued in response to an API because the destination country estimates that the passenger already reached/exceeded maximum stays?
    – jcaron
    1 hour ago






  • 1




    @HonoraryWorldCitizen and jcaron, it could not be part of the API process since there is no database of Schengen entry and exit.records.
    – phoog
    36 mins ago















up vote
1
down vote

favorite









up vote
1
down vote

favorite











While answering this question I wondered: for countries/areas that have rules such as the 90/180 rules of the Schengen Area, do airlines bother to count how long you have already been in the area?



As we all know, airlines have a duty to check documentation of boarding passengers to make sure they have the required paperwork (valid passport, valid visa or travel authorisation/electronic visa if required...). If they let someone without the relevant paperwork board and reach the destination country, they not only have to carry them back, but in many cases also face penalties (which can be quite hefty).



Airlines obviously can't check everything (they don't have all the information), but do they have to count the days a passenger has stayed in the Schengen Area in the last 180 days (by checking the stamps in the passport)? That would seem like a quite time-consuming (and error-prone) process. Or is that checked as part of Advance Passenger Information screening?



Does anyone have any experience of this? Do airlines have to do it? Do they actually do it (never / sometimes / often / always)? Do they even have enough information to do it?










share|improve this question













While answering this question I wondered: for countries/areas that have rules such as the 90/180 rules of the Schengen Area, do airlines bother to count how long you have already been in the area?



As we all know, airlines have a duty to check documentation of boarding passengers to make sure they have the required paperwork (valid passport, valid visa or travel authorisation/electronic visa if required...). If they let someone without the relevant paperwork board and reach the destination country, they not only have to carry them back, but in many cases also face penalties (which can be quite hefty).



Airlines obviously can't check everything (they don't have all the information), but do they have to count the days a passenger has stayed in the Schengen Area in the last 180 days (by checking the stamps in the passport)? That would seem like a quite time-consuming (and error-prone) process. Or is that checked as part of Advance Passenger Information screening?



Does anyone have any experience of this? Do airlines have to do it? Do they actually do it (never / sometimes / often / always)? Do they even have enough information to do it?







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  • It’s not their responsibility. That’s the passengers responsibility. It would be unfair to expect airlines to do that considering some passengers are frequent travelers with complex travel plans and histories. They are limited to confirming the validity of the visa, that’s it.
    – Honorary World Citizen
    2 hours ago












  • @HonoraryWorldCitizen that would be my guess as well, but border authorities try to push more and more work on the side of the airlines, so anything is possible. Also, it could be part of the API process, so the actual check could be done by the authorities, but it would still be the airline refusing boarding at the origin.
    – jcaron
    2 hours ago










  • I understand however that’s not the case. Airlines are not integrated into immigration databases to the point of having the data to do those calculations.
    – Honorary World Citizen
    2 hours ago










  • @HonoraryWorldCitizen What about API then? Could there be a boarding refusal notice issued in response to an API because the destination country estimates that the passenger already reached/exceeded maximum stays?
    – jcaron
    1 hour ago






  • 1




    @HonoraryWorldCitizen and jcaron, it could not be part of the API process since there is no database of Schengen entry and exit.records.
    – phoog
    36 mins ago




















  • It’s not their responsibility. That’s the passengers responsibility. It would be unfair to expect airlines to do that considering some passengers are frequent travelers with complex travel plans and histories. They are limited to confirming the validity of the visa, that’s it.
    – Honorary World Citizen
    2 hours ago












  • @HonoraryWorldCitizen that would be my guess as well, but border authorities try to push more and more work on the side of the airlines, so anything is possible. Also, it could be part of the API process, so the actual check could be done by the authorities, but it would still be the airline refusing boarding at the origin.
    – jcaron
    2 hours ago










  • I understand however that’s not the case. Airlines are not integrated into immigration databases to the point of having the data to do those calculations.
    – Honorary World Citizen
    2 hours ago










  • @HonoraryWorldCitizen What about API then? Could there be a boarding refusal notice issued in response to an API because the destination country estimates that the passenger already reached/exceeded maximum stays?
    – jcaron
    1 hour ago






  • 1




    @HonoraryWorldCitizen and jcaron, it could not be part of the API process since there is no database of Schengen entry and exit.records.
    – phoog
    36 mins ago


















It’s not their responsibility. That’s the passengers responsibility. It would be unfair to expect airlines to do that considering some passengers are frequent travelers with complex travel plans and histories. They are limited to confirming the validity of the visa, that’s it.
– Honorary World Citizen
2 hours ago






It’s not their responsibility. That’s the passengers responsibility. It would be unfair to expect airlines to do that considering some passengers are frequent travelers with complex travel plans and histories. They are limited to confirming the validity of the visa, that’s it.
– Honorary World Citizen
2 hours ago














@HonoraryWorldCitizen that would be my guess as well, but border authorities try to push more and more work on the side of the airlines, so anything is possible. Also, it could be part of the API process, so the actual check could be done by the authorities, but it would still be the airline refusing boarding at the origin.
– jcaron
2 hours ago




@HonoraryWorldCitizen that would be my guess as well, but border authorities try to push more and more work on the side of the airlines, so anything is possible. Also, it could be part of the API process, so the actual check could be done by the authorities, but it would still be the airline refusing boarding at the origin.
– jcaron
2 hours ago












I understand however that’s not the case. Airlines are not integrated into immigration databases to the point of having the data to do those calculations.
– Honorary World Citizen
2 hours ago




I understand however that’s not the case. Airlines are not integrated into immigration databases to the point of having the data to do those calculations.
– Honorary World Citizen
2 hours ago












@HonoraryWorldCitizen What about API then? Could there be a boarding refusal notice issued in response to an API because the destination country estimates that the passenger already reached/exceeded maximum stays?
– jcaron
1 hour ago




@HonoraryWorldCitizen What about API then? Could there be a boarding refusal notice issued in response to an API because the destination country estimates that the passenger already reached/exceeded maximum stays?
– jcaron
1 hour ago




1




1




@HonoraryWorldCitizen and jcaron, it could not be part of the API process since there is no database of Schengen entry and exit.records.
– phoog
36 mins ago






@HonoraryWorldCitizen and jcaron, it could not be part of the API process since there is no database of Schengen entry and exit.records.
– phoog
36 mins ago












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  1. Airlines rarely rummage through your passport to find an entry or exit stamp. That takes a lot of time in my passport, and I notice when it's happening at immigration or check in.

  2. Airlines will sometimes collect or inspect your departure record card (if applicable)

  3. They do look at the expiration date of your passport and the presence & date of Visa (if applicable)

  4. Some airlines are indeed plugged into the immigration data bases of some destination countries. They will check if you are on a do-not-fly list. Another example: I once checked-in in Tokyo for a flight to Australia and due to me being stupid, my ETA (electronic travel authorization) had not enough days left in. The check-in agent flagged this immediately (and was nice enough to help me out). Since the ETA isn't physically in the passport, the only way for her to know this would be direct access to the Australian ETA system from her check in desk.






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    for countries/areas that have rules such as the 90/180 rules of the
    Schengen Area, do airlines bother to count how long you have already
    been in the area?




    It’s not the airline responsibility to calculate those dates. That’s the passengers responsibility. It would be unfair to expect airlines to do that considering some passengers are frequent travelers with complex travel plans and histories. They are limited to confirming the validity of the visa, no fly lists, etc that’s it



    For the United States APIS, this is the information required




    • Full name (last name, first name, middle name if applicable)

    • Gender


    • Date of birth


    • Nationality


    • Country of residence


    • Travel document type (normally passport)


    • Travel document number (expiry date and country of issue for passport)


    • [For travellers to the US] Address of the first night spent in the US (not required for US nationals, legal permanent residents, or alien residents of the US entering the US)







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    • Can you refer to an authoritative source for your list? (I'm particularly curious about the exceptions for the address.)
      – phoog
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    • @phoog I have added it. From Iberia
      – Honorary World Citizen
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    Purely anecdotal & conjecture answer




    1. Airlines rarely rummage through your passport to find an entry or exit stamp. That takes a lot of time in my passport, and I notice when it's happening at immigration or check in.

    2. Airlines will sometimes collect or inspect your departure record card (if applicable)

    3. They do look at the expiration date of your passport and the presence & date of Visa (if applicable)

    4. Some airlines are indeed plugged into the immigration data bases of some destination countries. They will check if you are on a do-not-fly list. Another example: I once checked-in in Tokyo for a flight to Australia and due to me being stupid, my ETA (electronic travel authorization) had not enough days left in. The check-in agent flagged this immediately (and was nice enough to help me out). Since the ETA isn't physically in the passport, the only way for her to know this would be direct access to the Australian ETA system from her check in desk.






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      Purely anecdotal & conjecture answer




      1. Airlines rarely rummage through your passport to find an entry or exit stamp. That takes a lot of time in my passport, and I notice when it's happening at immigration or check in.

      2. Airlines will sometimes collect or inspect your departure record card (if applicable)

      3. They do look at the expiration date of your passport and the presence & date of Visa (if applicable)

      4. Some airlines are indeed plugged into the immigration data bases of some destination countries. They will check if you are on a do-not-fly list. Another example: I once checked-in in Tokyo for a flight to Australia and due to me being stupid, my ETA (electronic travel authorization) had not enough days left in. The check-in agent flagged this immediately (and was nice enough to help me out). Since the ETA isn't physically in the passport, the only way for her to know this would be direct access to the Australian ETA system from her check in desk.






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        Purely anecdotal & conjecture answer




        1. Airlines rarely rummage through your passport to find an entry or exit stamp. That takes a lot of time in my passport, and I notice when it's happening at immigration or check in.

        2. Airlines will sometimes collect or inspect your departure record card (if applicable)

        3. They do look at the expiration date of your passport and the presence & date of Visa (if applicable)

        4. Some airlines are indeed plugged into the immigration data bases of some destination countries. They will check if you are on a do-not-fly list. Another example: I once checked-in in Tokyo for a flight to Australia and due to me being stupid, my ETA (electronic travel authorization) had not enough days left in. The check-in agent flagged this immediately (and was nice enough to help me out). Since the ETA isn't physically in the passport, the only way for her to know this would be direct access to the Australian ETA system from her check in desk.






        share|improve this answer












        Purely anecdotal & conjecture answer




        1. Airlines rarely rummage through your passport to find an entry or exit stamp. That takes a lot of time in my passport, and I notice when it's happening at immigration or check in.

        2. Airlines will sometimes collect or inspect your departure record card (if applicable)

        3. They do look at the expiration date of your passport and the presence & date of Visa (if applicable)

        4. Some airlines are indeed plugged into the immigration data bases of some destination countries. They will check if you are on a do-not-fly list. Another example: I once checked-in in Tokyo for a flight to Australia and due to me being stupid, my ETA (electronic travel authorization) had not enough days left in. The check-in agent flagged this immediately (and was nice enough to help me out). Since the ETA isn't physically in the passport, the only way for her to know this would be direct access to the Australian ETA system from her check in desk.







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            for countries/areas that have rules such as the 90/180 rules of the
            Schengen Area, do airlines bother to count how long you have already
            been in the area?




            It’s not the airline responsibility to calculate those dates. That’s the passengers responsibility. It would be unfair to expect airlines to do that considering some passengers are frequent travelers with complex travel plans and histories. They are limited to confirming the validity of the visa, no fly lists, etc that’s it



            For the United States APIS, this is the information required




            • Full name (last name, first name, middle name if applicable)

            • Gender


            • Date of birth


            • Nationality


            • Country of residence


            • Travel document type (normally passport)


            • Travel document number (expiry date and country of issue for passport)


            • [For travellers to the US] Address of the first night spent in the US (not required for US nationals, legal permanent residents, or alien residents of the US entering the US)







            share|improve this answer























            • Can you refer to an authoritative source for your list? (I'm particularly curious about the exceptions for the address.)
              – phoog
              33 mins ago










            • @phoog I have added it. From Iberia
              – Honorary World Citizen
              1 min ago















            up vote
            2
            down vote














            for countries/areas that have rules such as the 90/180 rules of the
            Schengen Area, do airlines bother to count how long you have already
            been in the area?




            It’s not the airline responsibility to calculate those dates. That’s the passengers responsibility. It would be unfair to expect airlines to do that considering some passengers are frequent travelers with complex travel plans and histories. They are limited to confirming the validity of the visa, no fly lists, etc that’s it



            For the United States APIS, this is the information required




            • Full name (last name, first name, middle name if applicable)

            • Gender


            • Date of birth


            • Nationality


            • Country of residence


            • Travel document type (normally passport)


            • Travel document number (expiry date and country of issue for passport)


            • [For travellers to the US] Address of the first night spent in the US (not required for US nationals, legal permanent residents, or alien residents of the US entering the US)







            share|improve this answer























            • Can you refer to an authoritative source for your list? (I'm particularly curious about the exceptions for the address.)
              – phoog
              33 mins ago










            • @phoog I have added it. From Iberia
              – Honorary World Citizen
              1 min ago













            up vote
            2
            down vote










            up vote
            2
            down vote










            for countries/areas that have rules such as the 90/180 rules of the
            Schengen Area, do airlines bother to count how long you have already
            been in the area?




            It’s not the airline responsibility to calculate those dates. That’s the passengers responsibility. It would be unfair to expect airlines to do that considering some passengers are frequent travelers with complex travel plans and histories. They are limited to confirming the validity of the visa, no fly lists, etc that’s it



            For the United States APIS, this is the information required




            • Full name (last name, first name, middle name if applicable)

            • Gender


            • Date of birth


            • Nationality


            • Country of residence


            • Travel document type (normally passport)


            • Travel document number (expiry date and country of issue for passport)


            • [For travellers to the US] Address of the first night spent in the US (not required for US nationals, legal permanent residents, or alien residents of the US entering the US)







            share|improve this answer















            for countries/areas that have rules such as the 90/180 rules of the
            Schengen Area, do airlines bother to count how long you have already
            been in the area?




            It’s not the airline responsibility to calculate those dates. That’s the passengers responsibility. It would be unfair to expect airlines to do that considering some passengers are frequent travelers with complex travel plans and histories. They are limited to confirming the validity of the visa, no fly lists, etc that’s it



            For the United States APIS, this is the information required




            • Full name (last name, first name, middle name if applicable)

            • Gender


            • Date of birth


            • Nationality


            • Country of residence


            • Travel document type (normally passport)


            • Travel document number (expiry date and country of issue for passport)


            • [For travellers to the US] Address of the first night spent in the US (not required for US nationals, legal permanent residents, or alien residents of the US entering the US)








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            • Can you refer to an authoritative source for your list? (I'm particularly curious about the exceptions for the address.)
              – phoog
              33 mins ago










            • @phoog I have added it. From Iberia
              – Honorary World Citizen
              1 min ago


















            • Can you refer to an authoritative source for your list? (I'm particularly curious about the exceptions for the address.)
              – phoog
              33 mins ago










            • @phoog I have added it. From Iberia
              – Honorary World Citizen
              1 min ago
















            Can you refer to an authoritative source for your list? (I'm particularly curious about the exceptions for the address.)
            – phoog
            33 mins ago




            Can you refer to an authoritative source for your list? (I'm particularly curious about the exceptions for the address.)
            – phoog
            33 mins ago












            @phoog I have added it. From Iberia
            – Honorary World Citizen
            1 min ago




            @phoog I have added it. From Iberia
            – Honorary World Citizen
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