Boxing for primitives is not aligned with specifications - why?












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To my understanding following code should print "true"



However, when I ran this program it is printing "false" as output



According to jls-5.1.7




"If the value p being boxed is an integer literal of type int between
-128 and 127 inclusive , or the boolean literal true or false , or a character literal between 'u0000' and
'u007f' inclusive , then let a and b be the results of
any two boxing conversions of p. It is always the case that a == b."




However in case of method called via reflection boxed value is always created via new PrimitiveWrapper().



 public class Test {
public static boolean testTrue() {
return true;
}

public static void main(String args) throws Exception {
Object trueResult = Test.class.getMethod("testTrue").invoke(null);
System.out.println(trueResult == Boolean.TRUE);

}
}


Please help me understand this.










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    Strictly speaking, Boolean.TRUEis not the "result of a boxing conversion".
    – Jim Garrison
    3 hours ago










  • Please can you fix the odd characters in the JLS quote.
    – Andy Turner
    3 hours ago










  • Ok, there is no auto-boxing. This part of the JLS is about auto-boxing
    – kumesana
    3 hours ago










  • @BackSlash - Andy turner is abs right, we can not assign that
    – Show Stopper
    3 hours ago










  • Well, "in case of a reflection" is not covered by that part of the JLS you're quoting. That part is a continuity about variable conversion when you have a value of a type that you assign to another type using the language normally. Reflection is not a part of that.
    – kumesana
    3 hours ago
















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To my understanding following code should print "true"



However, when I ran this program it is printing "false" as output



According to jls-5.1.7




"If the value p being boxed is an integer literal of type int between
-128 and 127 inclusive , or the boolean literal true or false , or a character literal between 'u0000' and
'u007f' inclusive , then let a and b be the results of
any two boxing conversions of p. It is always the case that a == b."




However in case of method called via reflection boxed value is always created via new PrimitiveWrapper().



 public class Test {
public static boolean testTrue() {
return true;
}

public static void main(String args) throws Exception {
Object trueResult = Test.class.getMethod("testTrue").invoke(null);
System.out.println(trueResult == Boolean.TRUE);

}
}


Please help me understand this.










share|improve this question




















  • 1




    Strictly speaking, Boolean.TRUEis not the "result of a boxing conversion".
    – Jim Garrison
    3 hours ago










  • Please can you fix the odd characters in the JLS quote.
    – Andy Turner
    3 hours ago










  • Ok, there is no auto-boxing. This part of the JLS is about auto-boxing
    – kumesana
    3 hours ago










  • @BackSlash - Andy turner is abs right, we can not assign that
    – Show Stopper
    3 hours ago










  • Well, "in case of a reflection" is not covered by that part of the JLS you're quoting. That part is a continuity about variable conversion when you have a value of a type that you assign to another type using the language normally. Reflection is not a part of that.
    – kumesana
    3 hours ago














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To my understanding following code should print "true"



However, when I ran this program it is printing "false" as output



According to jls-5.1.7




"If the value p being boxed is an integer literal of type int between
-128 and 127 inclusive , or the boolean literal true or false , or a character literal between 'u0000' and
'u007f' inclusive , then let a and b be the results of
any two boxing conversions of p. It is always the case that a == b."




However in case of method called via reflection boxed value is always created via new PrimitiveWrapper().



 public class Test {
public static boolean testTrue() {
return true;
}

public static void main(String args) throws Exception {
Object trueResult = Test.class.getMethod("testTrue").invoke(null);
System.out.println(trueResult == Boolean.TRUE);

}
}


Please help me understand this.










share|improve this question















To my understanding following code should print "true"



However, when I ran this program it is printing "false" as output



According to jls-5.1.7




"If the value p being boxed is an integer literal of type int between
-128 and 127 inclusive , or the boolean literal true or false , or a character literal between 'u0000' and
'u007f' inclusive , then let a and b be the results of
any two boxing conversions of p. It is always the case that a == b."




However in case of method called via reflection boxed value is always created via new PrimitiveWrapper().



 public class Test {
public static boolean testTrue() {
return true;
}

public static void main(String args) throws Exception {
Object trueResult = Test.class.getMethod("testTrue").invoke(null);
System.out.println(trueResult == Boolean.TRUE);

}
}


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    Strictly speaking, Boolean.TRUEis not the "result of a boxing conversion".
    – Jim Garrison
    3 hours ago










  • Please can you fix the odd characters in the JLS quote.
    – Andy Turner
    3 hours ago










  • Ok, there is no auto-boxing. This part of the JLS is about auto-boxing
    – kumesana
    3 hours ago










  • @BackSlash - Andy turner is abs right, we can not assign that
    – Show Stopper
    3 hours ago










  • Well, "in case of a reflection" is not covered by that part of the JLS you're quoting. That part is a continuity about variable conversion when you have a value of a type that you assign to another type using the language normally. Reflection is not a part of that.
    – kumesana
    3 hours ago














  • 1




    Strictly speaking, Boolean.TRUEis not the "result of a boxing conversion".
    – Jim Garrison
    3 hours ago










  • Please can you fix the odd characters in the JLS quote.
    – Andy Turner
    3 hours ago










  • Ok, there is no auto-boxing. This part of the JLS is about auto-boxing
    – kumesana
    3 hours ago










  • @BackSlash - Andy turner is abs right, we can not assign that
    – Show Stopper
    3 hours ago










  • Well, "in case of a reflection" is not covered by that part of the JLS you're quoting. That part is a continuity about variable conversion when you have a value of a type that you assign to another type using the language normally. Reflection is not a part of that.
    – kumesana
    3 hours ago








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Strictly speaking, Boolean.TRUEis not the "result of a boxing conversion".
– Jim Garrison
3 hours ago




Strictly speaking, Boolean.TRUEis not the "result of a boxing conversion".
– Jim Garrison
3 hours ago












Please can you fix the odd characters in the JLS quote.
– Andy Turner
3 hours ago




Please can you fix the odd characters in the JLS quote.
– Andy Turner
3 hours ago












Ok, there is no auto-boxing. This part of the JLS is about auto-boxing
– kumesana
3 hours ago




Ok, there is no auto-boxing. This part of the JLS is about auto-boxing
– kumesana
3 hours ago












@BackSlash - Andy turner is abs right, we can not assign that
– Show Stopper
3 hours ago




@BackSlash - Andy turner is abs right, we can not assign that
– Show Stopper
3 hours ago












Well, "in case of a reflection" is not covered by that part of the JLS you're quoting. That part is a continuity about variable conversion when you have a value of a type that you assign to another type using the language normally. Reflection is not a part of that.
– kumesana
3 hours ago




Well, "in case of a reflection" is not covered by that part of the JLS you're quoting. That part is a continuity about variable conversion when you have a value of a type that you assign to another type using the language normally. Reflection is not a part of that.
– kumesana
3 hours ago












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invoke will always return a new Object. Any returned primitives are boxed.




...if the [return] value has a primitive type, it is first appropriately wrapped in an object.




Your issue is demonstrating the ambiguity of the term appropriately. i.e. during wrapping, it does not use Boolean.valueOf(boolean).






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    Just to add a suggestion of the reason why it might be so: the reflection API was added in 1.1; Boolean.valueOf was added in 1.4. Perhaps the pre-valueOf behavior was retained for backwards compatibility.
    – Andy Turner
    3 hours ago





















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The specific




in case of method called via reflection




is not covered by that part of the JLS you're quoting. That part you're quoting is about type conversion when you have a value of a type that you pass as another type. Here you're thinking of converting boolean to Boolean.



But type conversion means doing something like that:



Boolean b = true;


or



boolean b = true;
Boolean b2 = b;


Reflection is not a mechanism that applies type conversion.



When, by necessity, a reflective method call wraps a boolean return value into a Boolean object, it is not involved in the part of the JLS you quoted.



This explains why the JLS is not being violated here.




    2.

As to why the reflection isn't choosing to be consistent with this behavior anyway:



That is because in older versions of Java, reflection existed before generics. And generics are the reason why autoboxing suddenly became convenient, and autoboxing is the reason why it seemed smart to not duplicate the "common" values of wrapped primitives.



All of this was defined after reflection already existed for a while, and was already behaving in a specific way. That means that there was already existing Java code that was using reflection, and most likely some existing code that was incorrectly relying on the existing behavior. Changing the existing behavior would have broken existing code, which was therefore avoided.






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    invoke will always return a new Object. Any returned primitives are boxed.




    ...if the [return] value has a primitive type, it is first appropriately wrapped in an object.




    Your issue is demonstrating the ambiguity of the term appropriately. i.e. during wrapping, it does not use Boolean.valueOf(boolean).






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      Just to add a suggestion of the reason why it might be so: the reflection API was added in 1.1; Boolean.valueOf was added in 1.4. Perhaps the pre-valueOf behavior was retained for backwards compatibility.
      – Andy Turner
      3 hours ago


















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    invoke will always return a new Object. Any returned primitives are boxed.




    ...if the [return] value has a primitive type, it is first appropriately wrapped in an object.




    Your issue is demonstrating the ambiguity of the term appropriately. i.e. during wrapping, it does not use Boolean.valueOf(boolean).






    share|improve this answer



















    • 1




      Just to add a suggestion of the reason why it might be so: the reflection API was added in 1.1; Boolean.valueOf was added in 1.4. Perhaps the pre-valueOf behavior was retained for backwards compatibility.
      – Andy Turner
      3 hours ago
















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    invoke will always return a new Object. Any returned primitives are boxed.




    ...if the [return] value has a primitive type, it is first appropriately wrapped in an object.




    Your issue is demonstrating the ambiguity of the term appropriately. i.e. during wrapping, it does not use Boolean.valueOf(boolean).






    share|improve this answer














    invoke will always return a new Object. Any returned primitives are boxed.




    ...if the [return] value has a primitive type, it is first appropriately wrapped in an object.




    Your issue is demonstrating the ambiguity of the term appropriately. i.e. during wrapping, it does not use Boolean.valueOf(boolean).







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      Just to add a suggestion of the reason why it might be so: the reflection API was added in 1.1; Boolean.valueOf was added in 1.4. Perhaps the pre-valueOf behavior was retained for backwards compatibility.
      – Andy Turner
      3 hours ago
















    • 1




      Just to add a suggestion of the reason why it might be so: the reflection API was added in 1.1; Boolean.valueOf was added in 1.4. Perhaps the pre-valueOf behavior was retained for backwards compatibility.
      – Andy Turner
      3 hours ago










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    Just to add a suggestion of the reason why it might be so: the reflection API was added in 1.1; Boolean.valueOf was added in 1.4. Perhaps the pre-valueOf behavior was retained for backwards compatibility.
    – Andy Turner
    3 hours ago






    Just to add a suggestion of the reason why it might be so: the reflection API was added in 1.1; Boolean.valueOf was added in 1.4. Perhaps the pre-valueOf behavior was retained for backwards compatibility.
    – Andy Turner
    3 hours ago















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    1.



    The specific




    in case of method called via reflection




    is not covered by that part of the JLS you're quoting. That part you're quoting is about type conversion when you have a value of a type that you pass as another type. Here you're thinking of converting boolean to Boolean.



    But type conversion means doing something like that:



    Boolean b = true;


    or



    boolean b = true;
    Boolean b2 = b;


    Reflection is not a mechanism that applies type conversion.



    When, by necessity, a reflective method call wraps a boolean return value into a Boolean object, it is not involved in the part of the JLS you quoted.



    This explains why the JLS is not being violated here.




      2.

    As to why the reflection isn't choosing to be consistent with this behavior anyway:



    That is because in older versions of Java, reflection existed before generics. And generics are the reason why autoboxing suddenly became convenient, and autoboxing is the reason why it seemed smart to not duplicate the "common" values of wrapped primitives.



    All of this was defined after reflection already existed for a while, and was already behaving in a specific way. That means that there was already existing Java code that was using reflection, and most likely some existing code that was incorrectly relying on the existing behavior. Changing the existing behavior would have broken existing code, which was therefore avoided.






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      The specific




      in case of method called via reflection




      is not covered by that part of the JLS you're quoting. That part you're quoting is about type conversion when you have a value of a type that you pass as another type. Here you're thinking of converting boolean to Boolean.



      But type conversion means doing something like that:



      Boolean b = true;


      or



      boolean b = true;
      Boolean b2 = b;


      Reflection is not a mechanism that applies type conversion.



      When, by necessity, a reflective method call wraps a boolean return value into a Boolean object, it is not involved in the part of the JLS you quoted.



      This explains why the JLS is not being violated here.




        2.

      As to why the reflection isn't choosing to be consistent with this behavior anyway:



      That is because in older versions of Java, reflection existed before generics. And generics are the reason why autoboxing suddenly became convenient, and autoboxing is the reason why it seemed smart to not duplicate the "common" values of wrapped primitives.



      All of this was defined after reflection already existed for a while, and was already behaving in a specific way. That means that there was already existing Java code that was using reflection, and most likely some existing code that was incorrectly relying on the existing behavior. Changing the existing behavior would have broken existing code, which was therefore avoided.






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        1.



        The specific




        in case of method called via reflection




        is not covered by that part of the JLS you're quoting. That part you're quoting is about type conversion when you have a value of a type that you pass as another type. Here you're thinking of converting boolean to Boolean.



        But type conversion means doing something like that:



        Boolean b = true;


        or



        boolean b = true;
        Boolean b2 = b;


        Reflection is not a mechanism that applies type conversion.



        When, by necessity, a reflective method call wraps a boolean return value into a Boolean object, it is not involved in the part of the JLS you quoted.



        This explains why the JLS is not being violated here.




          2.

        As to why the reflection isn't choosing to be consistent with this behavior anyway:



        That is because in older versions of Java, reflection existed before generics. And generics are the reason why autoboxing suddenly became convenient, and autoboxing is the reason why it seemed smart to not duplicate the "common" values of wrapped primitives.



        All of this was defined after reflection already existed for a while, and was already behaving in a specific way. That means that there was already existing Java code that was using reflection, and most likely some existing code that was incorrectly relying on the existing behavior. Changing the existing behavior would have broken existing code, which was therefore avoided.






        share|improve this answer












        1.



        The specific




        in case of method called via reflection




        is not covered by that part of the JLS you're quoting. That part you're quoting is about type conversion when you have a value of a type that you pass as another type. Here you're thinking of converting boolean to Boolean.



        But type conversion means doing something like that:



        Boolean b = true;


        or



        boolean b = true;
        Boolean b2 = b;


        Reflection is not a mechanism that applies type conversion.



        When, by necessity, a reflective method call wraps a boolean return value into a Boolean object, it is not involved in the part of the JLS you quoted.



        This explains why the JLS is not being violated here.




          2.

        As to why the reflection isn't choosing to be consistent with this behavior anyway:



        That is because in older versions of Java, reflection existed before generics. And generics are the reason why autoboxing suddenly became convenient, and autoboxing is the reason why it seemed smart to not duplicate the "common" values of wrapped primitives.



        All of this was defined after reflection already existed for a while, and was already behaving in a specific way. That means that there was already existing Java code that was using reflection, and most likely some existing code that was incorrectly relying on the existing behavior. Changing the existing behavior would have broken existing code, which was therefore avoided.







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