Reading books and checking websites has/have helped them
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Both are acceptable, check with the topic of "notional agreement" or "synesis". If you see both activities as one undertaking, then there's no reason you can't use "has" instead of "have". The boring example I keep bringing up is "The band are/is playing". Also, there are many questions on this site about this topic.
– Zebrafish
Nov 13 at 20:40
Also how related the subjects are can matter, see this example: books.google.com/ngrams/…
– Zebrafish
Nov 13 at 20:49
I can only make have work if you treat reading and checking as adjectives. I.e., there are math books, writing books and reading books and there are websites that test things (testing websites) and websites that check things (checking websites). Both reading books and checking websites have helped them. But I'm sure that's not the intended meaning.
– Jim
Nov 14 at 3:19
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Which is more correct to say?
Reading books and checking websites has helped them.
Reading books and checking websites have helped them.
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Both are acceptable, check with the topic of "notional agreement" or "synesis". If you see both activities as one undertaking, then there's no reason you can't use "has" instead of "have". The boring example I keep bringing up is "The band are/is playing". Also, there are many questions on this site about this topic.
– Zebrafish
Nov 13 at 20:40
Also how related the subjects are can matter, see this example: books.google.com/ngrams/…
– Zebrafish
Nov 13 at 20:49
I can only make have work if you treat reading and checking as adjectives. I.e., there are math books, writing books and reading books and there are websites that test things (testing websites) and websites that check things (checking websites). Both reading books and checking websites have helped them. But I'm sure that's not the intended meaning.
– Jim
Nov 14 at 3:19
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Both are acceptable, check with the topic of "notional agreement" or "synesis". If you see both activities as one undertaking, then there's no reason you can't use "has" instead of "have". The boring example I keep bringing up is "The band are/is playing". Also, there are many questions on this site about this topic.
– Zebrafish
Nov 13 at 20:40
Also how related the subjects are can matter, see this example: books.google.com/ngrams/…
– Zebrafish
Nov 13 at 20:49
I can only make have work if you treat reading and checking as adjectives. I.e., there are math books, writing books and reading books and there are websites that test things (testing websites) and websites that check things (checking websites). Both reading books and checking websites have helped them. But I'm sure that's not the intended meaning.
– Jim
Nov 14 at 3:19
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Both are acceptable, check with the topic of "notional agreement" or "synesis". If you see both activities as one undertaking, then there's no reason you can't use "has" instead of "have". The boring example I keep bringing up is "The band are/is playing". Also, there are many questions on this site about this topic.
– Zebrafish
Nov 13 at 20:40
Both are acceptable, check with the topic of "notional agreement" or "synesis". If you see both activities as one undertaking, then there's no reason you can't use "has" instead of "have". The boring example I keep bringing up is "The band are/is playing". Also, there are many questions on this site about this topic.
– Zebrafish
Nov 13 at 20:40
Also how related the subjects are can matter, see this example: books.google.com/ngrams/…
– Zebrafish
Nov 13 at 20:49
Also how related the subjects are can matter, see this example: books.google.com/ngrams/…
– Zebrafish
Nov 13 at 20:49
I can only make have work if you treat reading and checking as adjectives. I.e., there are math books, writing books and reading books and there are websites that test things (testing websites) and websites that check things (checking websites). Both reading books and checking websites have helped them. But I'm sure that's not the intended meaning.
– Jim
Nov 14 at 3:19
I can only make have work if you treat reading and checking as adjectives. I.e., there are math books, writing books and reading books and there are websites that test things (testing websites) and websites that check things (checking websites). Both reading books and checking websites have helped them. But I'm sure that's not the intended meaning.
– Jim
Nov 14 at 3:19
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Think of ‘reading books and checking websites’ as being ‘an activity’. A completed ‘activity’.
‘Something you did’, which collectively is ‘activity’. This makes it, in English ‘one thing’ (implied).
So we would use ‘has’, which refers to the singular. ‘Have’, in my view, is absolutely not correct in this sentence and sounds very weird to my (English!) ears - iffff... those sentences are complete.
Howeverrr...
...If you continued on with the second sentence - for example:
‘Reading books and checking websites have helped them to gain a further understanding of the Italian Renaissance’
Then in that case, we do need to say ‘have’. Because now, what is implied is ‘the activities’. Multiple and discrete ‘activities’. Which then takes the plural.
Whyyyy?
- Single things (even when ‘implied’) take the singular ‘has’
‘This completed activity or group of activities’ (perceived as one thing - ‘this activity’ - singular) has helped them
- Multiple things (even when implied) take the plural ‘have’
‘These two activities’ (perceived as multiple things) have helped them
In a nutshell: use ‘has’ when you want to refer to the individual activities that took place. Use ‘have’ when you want to refer to ‘the activity’ (or ‘effort) that ‘went on’.
answered Nov 13 at 23:11
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The second is correct in this instance. Because there are two subjects joined by and, the subject is plural and requires a plural verb. Gregg's Reference Manual (11th ed.) paragraph 1002a explains this as follows:
If the subject consists of two or more words that are connected by and or by both ... and, the subject is plural and requires a plural verb.
answered Nov 13 at 19:39
Bryan Pettit
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In that case, would the phrase "Reading the book and checking this website has helped them." be correct?
– Allemande249
Nov 13 at 20:01
I think it should be have in that instance as well, but I'm having a hard time finding a specific supporting source. An easier way to get around has vs. have might be to change the sentence to get rid of the ambiguous checking; in most cases, reading could apply both to books and websites. Therefore, "Reading the book and this website has helped them..." would work because the subject is the singular Reading. (Using this logic, the original question asked would be "Reading books and websites has helped them...".)
– Bryan Pettit
Nov 13 at 20:48
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Think of ‘reading books and checking websites’ as being ‘an activity’. A completed ‘activity’.
‘Something you did’, which collectively is ‘activity’. This makes it, in English ‘one thing’ (implied).
So we would use ‘has’, which refers to the singular. ‘Have’, in my view, is absolutely not correct in this sentence and sounds very weird to my (English!) ears - iffff... those sentences are complete.
Howeverrr...
...If you continued on with the second sentence - for example:
‘Reading books and checking websites have helped them to gain a further understanding of the Italian Renaissance’
Then in that case, we do need to say ‘have’. Because now, what is implied is ‘the activities’. Multiple and discrete ‘activities’. Which then takes the plural.
Whyyyy?
- Single things (even when ‘implied’) take the singular ‘has’
‘This completed activity or group of activities’ (perceived as one thing - ‘this activity’ - singular) has helped them
- Multiple things (even when implied) take the plural ‘have’
‘These two activities’ (perceived as multiple things) have helped them
In a nutshell: use ‘has’ when you want to refer to the individual activities that took place. Use ‘have’ when you want to refer to ‘the activity’ (or ‘effort) that ‘went on’.
answered Nov 13 at 23:11
Jelila
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Think of ‘reading books and checking websites’ as being ‘an activity’. A completed ‘activity’.
‘Something you did’, which collectively is ‘activity’. This makes it, in English ‘one thing’ (implied).
So we would use ‘has’, which refers to the singular. ‘Have’, in my view, is absolutely not correct in this sentence and sounds very weird to my (English!) ears - iffff... those sentences are complete.
Howeverrr...
...If you continued on with the second sentence - for example:
‘Reading books and checking websites have helped them to gain a further understanding of the Italian Renaissance’
Then in that case, we do need to say ‘have’. Because now, what is implied is ‘the activities’. Multiple and discrete ‘activities’. Which then takes the plural.
Whyyyy?
- Single things (even when ‘implied’) take the singular ‘has’
‘This completed activity or group of activities’ (perceived as one thing - ‘this activity’ - singular) has helped them
- Multiple things (even when implied) take the plural ‘have’
‘These two activities’ (perceived as multiple things) have helped them
In a nutshell: use ‘has’ when you want to refer to the individual activities that took place. Use ‘have’ when you want to refer to ‘the activity’ (or ‘effort) that ‘went on’.
answered Nov 13 at 23:11
Jelila
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Think of ‘reading books and checking websites’ as being ‘an activity’. A completed ‘activity’.
‘Something you did’, which collectively is ‘activity’. This makes it, in English ‘one thing’ (implied).
So we would use ‘has’, which refers to the singular. ‘Have’, in my view, is absolutely not correct in this sentence and sounds very weird to my (English!) ears - iffff... those sentences are complete.
Howeverrr...
...If you continued on with the second sentence - for example:
‘Reading books and checking websites have helped them to gain a further understanding of the Italian Renaissance’
Then in that case, we do need to say ‘have’. Because now, what is implied is ‘the activities’. Multiple and discrete ‘activities’. Which then takes the plural.
Whyyyy?
- Single things (even when ‘implied’) take the singular ‘has’
‘This completed activity or group of activities’ (perceived as one thing - ‘this activity’ - singular) has helped them
- Multiple things (even when implied) take the plural ‘have’
‘These two activities’ (perceived as multiple things) have helped them
In a nutshell: use ‘has’ when you want to refer to the individual activities that took place. Use ‘have’ when you want to refer to ‘the activity’ (or ‘effort) that ‘went on’.
answered Nov 13 at 23:11
Jelila
2,7571314
Think of ‘reading books and checking websites’ as being ‘an activity’. A completed ‘activity’.
‘Something you did’, which collectively is ‘activity’. This makes it, in English ‘one thing’ (implied).
So we would use ‘has’, which refers to the singular. ‘Have’, in my view, is absolutely not correct in this sentence and sounds very weird to my (English!) ears - iffff... those sentences are complete.
Howeverrr...
...If you continued on with the second sentence - for example:
‘Reading books and checking websites have helped them to gain a further understanding of the Italian Renaissance’
Then in that case, we do need to say ‘have’. Because now, what is implied is ‘the activities’. Multiple and discrete ‘activities’. Which then takes the plural.
Whyyyy?
- Single things (even when ‘implied’) take the singular ‘has’
‘This completed activity or group of activities’ (perceived as one thing - ‘this activity’ - singular) has helped them
- Multiple things (even when implied) take the plural ‘have’
‘These two activities’ (perceived as multiple things) have helped them
In a nutshell: use ‘has’ when you want to refer to the individual activities that took place. Use ‘have’ when you want to refer to ‘the activity’ (or ‘effort) that ‘went on’.
answered Nov 13 at 23:11
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The second is correct in this instance. Because there are two subjects joined by and, the subject is plural and requires a plural verb. Gregg's Reference Manual (11th ed.) paragraph 1002a explains this as follows:
If the subject consists of two or more words that are connected by and or by both ... and, the subject is plural and requires a plural verb.
answered Nov 13 at 19:39
Bryan Pettit
485
In that case, would the phrase "Reading the book and checking this website has helped them." be correct?
– Allemande249
Nov 13 at 20:01
I think it should be have in that instance as well, but I'm having a hard time finding a specific supporting source. An easier way to get around has vs. have might be to change the sentence to get rid of the ambiguous checking; in most cases, reading could apply both to books and websites. Therefore, "Reading the book and this website has helped them..." would work because the subject is the singular Reading. (Using this logic, the original question asked would be "Reading books and websites has helped them...".)
– Bryan Pettit
Nov 13 at 20:48
add a comment |
up vote
-3
down vote
The second is correct in this instance. Because there are two subjects joined by and, the subject is plural and requires a plural verb. Gregg's Reference Manual (11th ed.) paragraph 1002a explains this as follows:
If the subject consists of two or more words that are connected by and or by both ... and, the subject is plural and requires a plural verb.
answered Nov 13 at 19:39
Bryan Pettit
485
In that case, would the phrase "Reading the book and checking this website has helped them." be correct?
– Allemande249
Nov 13 at 20:01
I think it should be have in that instance as well, but I'm having a hard time finding a specific supporting source. An easier way to get around has vs. have might be to change the sentence to get rid of the ambiguous checking; in most cases, reading could apply both to books and websites. Therefore, "Reading the book and this website has helped them..." would work because the subject is the singular Reading. (Using this logic, the original question asked would be "Reading books and websites has helped them...".)
– Bryan Pettit
Nov 13 at 20:48
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up vote
-3
down vote
up vote
-3
down vote
The second is correct in this instance. Because there are two subjects joined by and, the subject is plural and requires a plural verb. Gregg's Reference Manual (11th ed.) paragraph 1002a explains this as follows:
If the subject consists of two or more words that are connected by and or by both ... and, the subject is plural and requires a plural verb.
answered Nov 13 at 19:39
Bryan Pettit
485
The second is correct in this instance. Because there are two subjects joined by and, the subject is plural and requires a plural verb. Gregg's Reference Manual (11th ed.) paragraph 1002a explains this as follows:
If the subject consists of two or more words that are connected by and or by both ... and, the subject is plural and requires a plural verb.
answered Nov 13 at 19:39
Bryan Pettit
485
answered Nov 13 at 19:39
Bryan Pettit
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answered Nov 13 at 19:39
Bryan Pettit
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answered Nov 13 at 19:39
Bryan Pettit
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485
In that case, would the phrase "Reading the book and checking this website has helped them." be correct?
– Allemande249
Nov 13 at 20:01
I think it should be have in that instance as well, but I'm having a hard time finding a specific supporting source. An easier way to get around has vs. have might be to change the sentence to get rid of the ambiguous checking; in most cases, reading could apply both to books and websites. Therefore, "Reading the book and this website has helped them..." would work because the subject is the singular Reading. (Using this logic, the original question asked would be "Reading books and websites has helped them...".)
– Bryan Pettit
Nov 13 at 20:48
add a comment |
In that case, would the phrase "Reading the book and checking this website has helped them." be correct?
– Allemande249
Nov 13 at 20:01
I think it should be have in that instance as well, but I'm having a hard time finding a specific supporting source. An easier way to get around has vs. have might be to change the sentence to get rid of the ambiguous checking; in most cases, reading could apply both to books and websites. Therefore, "Reading the book and this website has helped them..." would work because the subject is the singular Reading. (Using this logic, the original question asked would be "Reading books and websites has helped them...".)
– Bryan Pettit
Nov 13 at 20:48
In that case, would the phrase "Reading the book and checking this website has helped them." be correct?
– Allemande249
Nov 13 at 20:01
In that case, would the phrase "Reading the book and checking this website has helped them." be correct?
– Allemande249
Nov 13 at 20:01
I think it should be have in that instance as well, but I'm having a hard time finding a specific supporting source. An easier way to get around has vs. have might be to change the sentence to get rid of the ambiguous checking; in most cases, reading could apply both to books and websites. Therefore, "Reading the book and this website has helped them..." would work because the subject is the singular Reading. (Using this logic, the original question asked would be "Reading books and websites has helped them...".)
– Bryan Pettit
Nov 13 at 20:48
I think it should be have in that instance as well, but I'm having a hard time finding a specific supporting source. An easier way to get around has vs. have might be to change the sentence to get rid of the ambiguous checking; in most cases, reading could apply both to books and websites. Therefore, "Reading the book and this website has helped them..." would work because the subject is the singular Reading. (Using this logic, the original question asked would be "Reading books and websites has helped them...".)
– Bryan Pettit
Nov 13 at 20:48
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Both are acceptable, check with the topic of "notional agreement" or "synesis". If you see both activities as one undertaking, then there's no reason you can't use "has" instead of "have". The boring example I keep bringing up is "The band are/is playing". Also, there are many questions on this site about this topic.
– Zebrafish
Nov 13 at 20:40
Also how related the subjects are can matter, see this example: books.google.com/ngrams/…
– Zebrafish
Nov 13 at 20:49
I can only make have work if you treat reading and checking as adjectives. I.e., there are math books, writing books and reading books and there are websites that test things (testing websites) and websites that check things (checking websites). Both reading books and checking websites have helped them. But I'm sure that's not the intended meaning.
– Jim
Nov 14 at 3:19