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Prove that for any $ f in H^1(0,pi)$:



begin{equation}
int_0^pi f^2 dx leq int_0^pi left(f'right)^2 dx + left(int_0^pi f dxright)^2
end{equation}



$H$ is the Hilbert space. 1 means the 1st (weak) derivative exists.



I am thinking of applying some inequalities involving $L^2$ norms, such as Holder, but right now I can't think of a way to make it work.
A further hint would be greatly appreciated!






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Prove that for any $ f in H^1(0,pi)$:



begin{equation}
int_0^pi f^2 dx leq int_0^pi left(f'right)^2 dx + left(int_0^pi f dxright)^2
end{equation}



$H$ is the Hilbert space. 1 means the 1st (weak) derivative exists.



I am thinking of applying some inequalities involving $L^2$ norms, such as Holder, but right now I can't think of a way to make it work.
A further hint would be greatly appreciated!






real-analysis functional-analysis inequality pde hilbert-spaces







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    Wirtinger's inequality may be helpful to you.
    – B. Mehta
    3 hours ago














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Prove that for any $ f in H^1(0,pi)$:



begin{equation}
int_0^pi f^2 dx leq int_0^pi left(f'right)^2 dx + left(int_0^pi f dxright)^2
end{equation}



$H$ is the Hilbert space. 1 means the 1st (weak) derivative exists.



I am thinking of applying some inequalities involving $L^2$ norms, such as Holder, but right now I can't think of a way to make it work.
A further hint would be greatly appreciated!






real-analysis functional-analysis inequality pde hilbert-spaces







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Prove that for any $ f in H^1(0,pi)$:



begin{equation}
int_0^pi f^2 dx leq int_0^pi left(f'right)^2 dx + left(int_0^pi f dxright)^2
end{equation}



$H$ is the Hilbert space. 1 means the 1st (weak) derivative exists.



I am thinking of applying some inequalities involving $L^2$ norms, such as Holder, but right now I can't think of a way to make it work.
A further hint would be greatly appreciated!






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    Wirtinger's inequality may be helpful to you.
    – B. Mehta
    3 hours ago














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    Wirtinger's inequality may be helpful to you.
    – B. Mehta
    3 hours ago








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Wirtinger's inequality may be helpful to you.
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The given estimate is not the best. Indeed, we can show that
$$
int_0^pi |f|^2 dx leq frac{1}{4}int_0^pi |f'|^2 dx + frac{1}{pi}left(int_0^pi f dxright)^2.
$$This inequality can be rephrased as
$$
int_0^pi (f-overline{f})^2 dx leqfrac{1}{4} int_0^pi |f'|^2dx
$$ where $overline{f} =frac{1}{pi}int_0^pi f dx$. We can see this from
$$
int_0^pi (f-overline{f})^2 dx = int_0^pi (f^2-2overline{f}f +overline{f}^2)dx = int_0^pi f^2 dx -2pi overline{f}^2 + pi overline{f}^2 = int_0^pi f^2 dx -pi overline{f}^2.
$$Without loss of generality, we may assume $overline{f} = 0$, i.e. $int_0^pi fdx = 0$. Now, the result follows from the Fourier series of $f(x)=sum_{kneq 0} widehat{f}(k) e^{i2kx}$ and Parseval's identity:
$$
int_0^pi |f|^2 dx = pisum_{kneq 0}|widehat{f}(k)|^2leq frac{pi}{4}sum_{kinmathbb{Z}}|4k^2||widehat{f}(k)|^2=frac{1}{4}int_0^pi |f'|^2 dx.
$$






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  • Thank you very much! I should have thought about Fourier series when I saw the interval $(0,pi)$!
    – math_novice
    2 hours ago






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    One more question on your answer: how did you get the left hand side of the second inequality? Shouldn't it be $(f ^2- bar f ^2)$?
    – math_novice
    2 hours ago








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    @math_novice I've edited my answer. I hope this will make it clear.
    – Song
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  • That is very clear! Thank you for the patience!
    – math_novice
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The given estimate is not the best. Indeed, we can show that
$$
int_0^pi |f|^2 dx leq frac{1}{4}int_0^pi |f'|^2 dx + frac{1}{pi}left(int_0^pi f dxright)^2.
$$This inequality can be rephrased as
$$
int_0^pi (f-overline{f})^2 dx leqfrac{1}{4} int_0^pi |f'|^2dx
$$ where $overline{f} =frac{1}{pi}int_0^pi f dx$. We can see this from
$$
int_0^pi (f-overline{f})^2 dx = int_0^pi (f^2-2overline{f}f +overline{f}^2)dx = int_0^pi f^2 dx -2pi overline{f}^2 + pi overline{f}^2 = int_0^pi f^2 dx -pi overline{f}^2.
$$Without loss of generality, we may assume $overline{f} = 0$, i.e. $int_0^pi fdx = 0$. Now, the result follows from the Fourier series of $f(x)=sum_{kneq 0} widehat{f}(k) e^{i2kx}$ and Parseval's identity:
$$
int_0^pi |f|^2 dx = pisum_{kneq 0}|widehat{f}(k)|^2leq frac{pi}{4}sum_{kinmathbb{Z}}|4k^2||widehat{f}(k)|^2=frac{1}{4}int_0^pi |f'|^2 dx.
$$






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  • Thank you very much! I should have thought about Fourier series when I saw the interval $(0,pi)$!
    – math_novice
    2 hours ago






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    One more question on your answer: how did you get the left hand side of the second inequality? Shouldn't it be $(f ^2- bar f ^2)$?
    – math_novice
    2 hours ago








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    @math_novice I've edited my answer. I hope this will make it clear.
    – Song
    2 hours ago










  • That is very clear! Thank you for the patience!
    – math_novice
    2 hours ago
















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The given estimate is not the best. Indeed, we can show that
$$
int_0^pi |f|^2 dx leq frac{1}{4}int_0^pi |f'|^2 dx + frac{1}{pi}left(int_0^pi f dxright)^2.
$$This inequality can be rephrased as
$$
int_0^pi (f-overline{f})^2 dx leqfrac{1}{4} int_0^pi |f'|^2dx
$$ where $overline{f} =frac{1}{pi}int_0^pi f dx$. We can see this from
$$
int_0^pi (f-overline{f})^2 dx = int_0^pi (f^2-2overline{f}f +overline{f}^2)dx = int_0^pi f^2 dx -2pi overline{f}^2 + pi overline{f}^2 = int_0^pi f^2 dx -pi overline{f}^2.
$$Without loss of generality, we may assume $overline{f} = 0$, i.e. $int_0^pi fdx = 0$. Now, the result follows from the Fourier series of $f(x)=sum_{kneq 0} widehat{f}(k) e^{i2kx}$ and Parseval's identity:
$$
int_0^pi |f|^2 dx = pisum_{kneq 0}|widehat{f}(k)|^2leq frac{pi}{4}sum_{kinmathbb{Z}}|4k^2||widehat{f}(k)|^2=frac{1}{4}int_0^pi |f'|^2 dx.
$$






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  • Thank you very much! I should have thought about Fourier series when I saw the interval $(0,pi)$!
    – math_novice
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  • 1




    One more question on your answer: how did you get the left hand side of the second inequality? Shouldn't it be $(f ^2- bar f ^2)$?
    – math_novice
    2 hours ago








  • 1




    @math_novice I've edited my answer. I hope this will make it clear.
    – Song
    2 hours ago










  • That is very clear! Thank you for the patience!
    – math_novice
    2 hours ago














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The given estimate is not the best. Indeed, we can show that
$$
int_0^pi |f|^2 dx leq frac{1}{4}int_0^pi |f'|^2 dx + frac{1}{pi}left(int_0^pi f dxright)^2.
$$This inequality can be rephrased as
$$
int_0^pi (f-overline{f})^2 dx leqfrac{1}{4} int_0^pi |f'|^2dx
$$ where $overline{f} =frac{1}{pi}int_0^pi f dx$. We can see this from
$$
int_0^pi (f-overline{f})^2 dx = int_0^pi (f^2-2overline{f}f +overline{f}^2)dx = int_0^pi f^2 dx -2pi overline{f}^2 + pi overline{f}^2 = int_0^pi f^2 dx -pi overline{f}^2.
$$Without loss of generality, we may assume $overline{f} = 0$, i.e. $int_0^pi fdx = 0$. Now, the result follows from the Fourier series of $f(x)=sum_{kneq 0} widehat{f}(k) e^{i2kx}$ and Parseval's identity:
$$
int_0^pi |f|^2 dx = pisum_{kneq 0}|widehat{f}(k)|^2leq frac{pi}{4}sum_{kinmathbb{Z}}|4k^2||widehat{f}(k)|^2=frac{1}{4}int_0^pi |f'|^2 dx.
$$






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The given estimate is not the best. Indeed, we can show that
$$
int_0^pi |f|^2 dx leq frac{1}{4}int_0^pi |f'|^2 dx + frac{1}{pi}left(int_0^pi f dxright)^2.
$$This inequality can be rephrased as
$$
int_0^pi (f-overline{f})^2 dx leqfrac{1}{4} int_0^pi |f'|^2dx
$$ where $overline{f} =frac{1}{pi}int_0^pi f dx$. We can see this from
$$
int_0^pi (f-overline{f})^2 dx = int_0^pi (f^2-2overline{f}f +overline{f}^2)dx = int_0^pi f^2 dx -2pi overline{f}^2 + pi overline{f}^2 = int_0^pi f^2 dx -pi overline{f}^2.
$$Without loss of generality, we may assume $overline{f} = 0$, i.e. $int_0^pi fdx = 0$. Now, the result follows from the Fourier series of $f(x)=sum_{kneq 0} widehat{f}(k) e^{i2kx}$ and Parseval's identity:
$$
int_0^pi |f|^2 dx = pisum_{kneq 0}|widehat{f}(k)|^2leq frac{pi}{4}sum_{kinmathbb{Z}}|4k^2||widehat{f}(k)|^2=frac{1}{4}int_0^pi |f'|^2 dx.
$$







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  • Thank you very much! I should have thought about Fourier series when I saw the interval $(0,pi)$!
    – math_novice
    2 hours ago






  • 1




    One more question on your answer: how did you get the left hand side of the second inequality? Shouldn't it be $(f ^2- bar f ^2)$?
    – math_novice
    2 hours ago








  • 1




    @math_novice I've edited my answer. I hope this will make it clear.
    – Song
    2 hours ago










  • That is very clear! Thank you for the patience!
    – math_novice
    2 hours ago


















  • Thank you very much! I should have thought about Fourier series when I saw the interval $(0,pi)$!
    – math_novice
    2 hours ago






  • 1




    One more question on your answer: how did you get the left hand side of the second inequality? Shouldn't it be $(f ^2- bar f ^2)$?
    – math_novice
    2 hours ago








  • 1




    @math_novice I've edited my answer. I hope this will make it clear.
    – Song
    2 hours ago










  • That is very clear! Thank you for the patience!
    – math_novice
    2 hours ago
















Thank you very much! I should have thought about Fourier series when I saw the interval $(0,pi)$!
– math_novice
2 hours ago




Thank you very much! I should have thought about Fourier series when I saw the interval $(0,pi)$!
– math_novice
2 hours ago




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One more question on your answer: how did you get the left hand side of the second inequality? Shouldn't it be $(f ^2- bar f ^2)$?
– math_novice
2 hours ago






One more question on your answer: how did you get the left hand side of the second inequality? Shouldn't it be $(f ^2- bar f ^2)$?
– math_novice
2 hours ago






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@math_novice I've edited my answer. I hope this will make it clear.
– Song
2 hours ago




@math_novice I've edited my answer. I hope this will make it clear.
– Song
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That is very clear! Thank you for the patience!
– math_novice
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That is very clear! Thank you for the patience!
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