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The Emperor has decreed that the speed limit for horses and horse-drawn vehicles within city limits is to be 5 leagues per hour. As usual he has left the implementation details to his Scientific Adviser.



Using only medieval-type measuring devices, how can the Adviser satisfy the Emperor's wishes?



You can assume that there are wooden odometers available



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and medieval clocks



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It presumably doesn't make any difference to the answer but a league can be assumed to be 3 miles.










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  • how would they properly monitor everyone?
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  • Since engine(animal) is fixed maybe limits the wheel size and gear ratio.
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The Emperor has decreed that the speed limit for horses and horse-drawn vehicles within city limits is to be 5 leagues per hour. As usual he has left the implementation details to his Scientific Adviser.



Using only medieval-type measuring devices, how can the Adviser satisfy the Emperor's wishes?



You can assume that there are wooden odometers available



enter image description here



and medieval clocks



enter image description here





It presumably doesn't make any difference to the answer but a league can be assumed to be 3 miles.










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  • how would they properly monitor everyone?
    – Rowyn Alloway
    13 hours ago










  • Since engine(animal) is fixed maybe limits the wheel size and gear ratio.
    – user6760
    9 hours ago














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The Emperor has decreed that the speed limit for horses and horse-drawn vehicles within city limits is to be 5 leagues per hour. As usual he has left the implementation details to his Scientific Adviser.



Using only medieval-type measuring devices, how can the Adviser satisfy the Emperor's wishes?



You can assume that there are wooden odometers available



enter image description here



and medieval clocks



enter image description here





It presumably doesn't make any difference to the answer but a league can be assumed to be 3 miles.










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The Emperor has decreed that the speed limit for horses and horse-drawn vehicles within city limits is to be 5 leagues per hour. As usual he has left the implementation details to his Scientific Adviser.



Using only medieval-type measuring devices, how can the Adviser satisfy the Emperor's wishes?



You can assume that there are wooden odometers available



enter image description here



and medieval clocks



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It presumably doesn't make any difference to the answer but a league can be assumed to be 3 miles.







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  • how would they properly monitor everyone?
    – Rowyn Alloway
    13 hours ago










  • Since engine(animal) is fixed maybe limits the wheel size and gear ratio.
    – user6760
    9 hours ago


















  • how would they properly monitor everyone?
    – Rowyn Alloway
    13 hours ago










  • Since engine(animal) is fixed maybe limits the wheel size and gear ratio.
    – user6760
    9 hours ago
















how would they properly monitor everyone?
– Rowyn Alloway
13 hours ago




how would they properly monitor everyone?
– Rowyn Alloway
13 hours ago












Since engine(animal) is fixed maybe limits the wheel size and gear ratio.
– user6760
9 hours ago




Since engine(animal) is fixed maybe limits the wheel size and gear ratio.
– user6760
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No technology is needed at all:



From http://www.speedofanimals.com/animals/horse:




All horses move naturally with four basic gaits: the four-beat walk,
which averages 6.4 kilometres per hour (4.0 mph); the two-beat trot or
jog, which averages 13 to 19 kilometres per hour (8.1 to 12 mph)
(faster for harness racing horses); and the leaping gaits known as the
canter or lope (a three-beat gait that is 19 to 24 kilometres per hour
(12 to 15 mph), and the gallop. The gallop averages 40 to 48
kilometres per hour (25 to 30 mph).




Only the gallop is over the limit: The speed limit can be enforced with a simple no-galloping rule. Any minimally-trained observer can tell the difference between the gaits.






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    @chaslyfromUK - if you are asking how the Scientific Advisor would arrive at a similar conclusion, a known distance, a minuteglass, and the cooperation of a few horses and riders on a nice day would be sufficient to gather the requisite data. The analysis is trivial unless you want to go the extra mile to determine statistical distributions of each gait.
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    And, to be perfectly honest - in medieval times, the Emperor is far more likely to say "no horse may gallop within the city walls" instead of "no horse may exceed the speed of five leagues per hour"
    – Chronocidal
    17 hours ago






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    This additionally makes it easy for the riders or coachmen, who would generally lack a speedometer, to follow.
    – Jan Hudec
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    @Mazura - think about the characteristics of a medieval town: Narrow streets with lots of blind corners, Lots of people, trash, and sewage on many of those narrow streets. Only a fool would gallop in such a risky environment. Horses were expensive -- few such fools had the means to own horses.
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    @Mazura I know many cities had rules about when horses were allowed in the city, many did not let horses on the streets during daylight hours, the liber albus document lists one law that limits horse drawn carts to all move at the same speed regardless of load.
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With medieval roads? Don't even bother! Their axles will shatter if they try going too fast.



If you insist, put up speedbumps every hundred metres or so, or have twisted roads within your city limits. That will limit speed without needing the excess costs of constant monitoring. Anybody going too fast will either lose their wheels or make a sufficient racket to get bystanders' attention.






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  • The noise, +1
    – Mazura
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  • Accepted answer talks about a 'No Galloping Rule'; how you would enforce that can be left up to the imagination. How you would know when to enforce it, is when a carriage going 30MPH down a cobblestone street sounds like it's destroying the pavement along its way. That way your guards can sit in a shack and play cards all day like they're supposed to.
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If you want a reliable measuring equipment, you need to have better than medieval clocks and odometers.



A clock which can be transported on bumpy medieval roads and still measure the time in a good way is probably out of time for the middle age.



I think it is more practical to limit the horse gait. Step, trott and gallop come with peculiar velocities and can be easily recognized without any measuring device. Furthermore, it's harder to tamper with them.






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    My knee-jerk reaction is that no one during medieval times would think in terms of distance-per-time. They're far more likely to think in terms of the behavior of the primary engine of motivation: the horse. In other words, the law would be that no one can run their horse above a canter. Everyone would understand that. Nobody would understand distance-per-time, even if you could invoke the tech to do it.



    Add to this that historically politicians have never understood science and it's pretty much a guarantee that what you're seeking will never come to pass. The emperor would declare that no one can go faster than his horse (because a royal horse is the correct speed, after all).






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      I would just post an officer with an hourglass at one end of a street of known length. If he sees a horse or a vehicle passing a certain point at the beginning of the street, he turns the hourglass; if the road user passes the end of the street before the hourglass has finished, that means they're speeding, and eligible for a fine. If you make the fine high enough, e.g. seizure of the horse or carriage, people will make sure they'll never be speeding and keep a safe margin away from the maximum speed.



      I'm not sure how precise medieval hourglasses were, but (sorry for using another system) your maximum speed amounts to 6.7 m/s; given a street of 100 meter, this is 14.9 seconds; you'll need 1.5 second precision (from both the hourglass and the observer) to obtain 0.5 league per hour precision.






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        Theoretically a speeding guy could run until a certain point and then stop before the measuring guy, fooling the system.
        – L.Dutch
        21 hours ago










      • This is literally how "average speed cameras" work on the Motorways in the UK
        – Richard
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      • @L.Dutch, they could, but stopping to ensure their average speed was low enough would defeat the point of running in the first place :)
        – Dancrumb
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      • @Dancrumb, that's what some people do with modern systems: they run like hell between the measuring points, then stop for a coffee just to lower the average speed. I am not saying it is smart.
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      Odometers/speedometers/ etc. will not work here because they can be mandated for carts but not for horses - you can make a speedometer today (and even 100 years ago) that could fit on a horse without weighing it down too much, but you could not have done that 500 years ago. So the only solutions are, as suggested by others, are to measure the speed externally by:




      • Limit based on horse gait (if it comes through the gate with the wrong gait...) By far the simplest with the catch that someone might try to train their horse to run differently, though I think that would be impractical at best. This works as long as the desired speed matches well with different gaits, and is the simplest yet also subjective. But then again, the word of the emperor's traffic enforcer is considered trustworthy by definition.


      • Hourglass. The good part about an hourglass in medieval times is that if you make one and it turns out to run too slow or too fast, due to the hole between the sections being hard to reproduce exactly the same between hourglasses, it really doesn't matter. The emperor & his scientific advisor produce one reference hourglass. When a new hourglass is manufactured, you add or remove sand until it runs for the same amount of time.



      The emperor has another trick up his royal sleeve: If he wants to arrest someone, he can have his traffic enforcer release dogs into the street as his rival crosses the starting line. The horses react and gallop along uncontrollably for a block and the enforcer gets to write his ticket. Which can include, at his discretion, a visit to the dungeon.






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        No technology needed



        These are medieval times. The Emperor's authority is absolute, and the Emperor's officers' authority can only be countermanded by the Emperor.



        So you just need to show the traffic enforcement soldiers (because they will be soldiers) what a horse running at 5 leagues per hour looks like, and then say "anything faster than that, book them."



        As with Judge Dredd, these soldiers are judge and jury. You have no right of appeal, no right of complaint, no right to do anything except pay them, which you do at the point of a sword. It doesn't matter whether they're right.






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          I like Glorfindel's proposal, but the hourglass for every traffic warden is not really necessary within city limits as long as there can be a bell tower.




          • Get a precise map of the streets, using the odometer cart.

          • Label all intersections and intervals within longer streets.

          • By law, all horsemen and cart drivers must carry a log book. At each sound of the bell, they must write down where they are. There are spot checks and serious penalties for inaccuracy.

          • Every night the logs are collected and a random sample is analyzed.


          The problem with that is that it only provides average speeds. If the average speed is above the limit then the top speed must have been above the limit as well. But an average speed below the limit does not prove that the cart never went above top speed.





          A Rube Goldberg Speedometer




          1. An odometer drops stone balls onto a scale depending on distance traveled.

          2. A mechanism triggered by the falling level of a water clock kicks stone balls of the scale at the right rate for top speed. If there is no stone, nothing happens. (That's where I get a little fuzzy. Ask your resident mad genius.)

          3. Whenever there are two or more stones on the scale at the same time, the balance arm moves and breaks a seal.


          Completely insane, of course.






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          • This works if this is an absolute-everywhere limit. But (a) the horses can go faster for a short distance - e.g., trotting at a normal speed and the driver sees something rolling down the street and speeds up to pass before it gets to the middle of the street (I think speeding up a horse/cart is going to be easier than braking to a stop (the horse can stop easily but carts didn't have antilock brakes) and (b) if they go out of town for a bit and forget to reset the odometer before coming into town then they would be caught yet not have broken the law.
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          No technology is needed at all:



          From http://www.speedofanimals.com/animals/horse:




          All horses move naturally with four basic gaits: the four-beat walk,
          which averages 6.4 kilometres per hour (4.0 mph); the two-beat trot or
          jog, which averages 13 to 19 kilometres per hour (8.1 to 12 mph)
          (faster for harness racing horses); and the leaping gaits known as the
          canter or lope (a three-beat gait that is 19 to 24 kilometres per hour
          (12 to 15 mph), and the gallop. The gallop averages 40 to 48
          kilometres per hour (25 to 30 mph).




          Only the gallop is over the limit: The speed limit can be enforced with a simple no-galloping rule. Any minimally-trained observer can tell the difference between the gaits.






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            @chaslyfromUK - if you are asking how the Scientific Advisor would arrive at a similar conclusion, a known distance, a minuteglass, and the cooperation of a few horses and riders on a nice day would be sufficient to gather the requisite data. The analysis is trivial unless you want to go the extra mile to determine statistical distributions of each gait.
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            And, to be perfectly honest - in medieval times, the Emperor is far more likely to say "no horse may gallop within the city walls" instead of "no horse may exceed the speed of five leagues per hour"
            – Chronocidal
            17 hours ago






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            This additionally makes it easy for the riders or coachmen, who would generally lack a speedometer, to follow.
            – Jan Hudec
            14 hours ago








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            @Mazura - think about the characteristics of a medieval town: Narrow streets with lots of blind corners, Lots of people, trash, and sewage on many of those narrow streets. Only a fool would gallop in such a risky environment. Horses were expensive -- few such fools had the means to own horses.
            – user535733
            9 hours ago








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            @Mazura I know many cities had rules about when horses were allowed in the city, many did not let horses on the streets during daylight hours, the liber albus document lists one law that limits horse drawn carts to all move at the same speed regardless of load.
            – John
            9 hours ago
















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          No technology is needed at all:



          From http://www.speedofanimals.com/animals/horse:




          All horses move naturally with four basic gaits: the four-beat walk,
          which averages 6.4 kilometres per hour (4.0 mph); the two-beat trot or
          jog, which averages 13 to 19 kilometres per hour (8.1 to 12 mph)
          (faster for harness racing horses); and the leaping gaits known as the
          canter or lope (a three-beat gait that is 19 to 24 kilometres per hour
          (12 to 15 mph), and the gallop. The gallop averages 40 to 48
          kilometres per hour (25 to 30 mph).




          Only the gallop is over the limit: The speed limit can be enforced with a simple no-galloping rule. Any minimally-trained observer can tell the difference between the gaits.






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            @chaslyfromUK - if you are asking how the Scientific Advisor would arrive at a similar conclusion, a known distance, a minuteglass, and the cooperation of a few horses and riders on a nice day would be sufficient to gather the requisite data. The analysis is trivial unless you want to go the extra mile to determine statistical distributions of each gait.
            – user535733
            21 hours ago








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            And, to be perfectly honest - in medieval times, the Emperor is far more likely to say "no horse may gallop within the city walls" instead of "no horse may exceed the speed of five leagues per hour"
            – Chronocidal
            17 hours ago






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            This additionally makes it easy for the riders or coachmen, who would generally lack a speedometer, to follow.
            – Jan Hudec
            14 hours ago








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            @Mazura - think about the characteristics of a medieval town: Narrow streets with lots of blind corners, Lots of people, trash, and sewage on many of those narrow streets. Only a fool would gallop in such a risky environment. Horses were expensive -- few such fools had the means to own horses.
            – user535733
            9 hours ago








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            @Mazura I know many cities had rules about when horses were allowed in the city, many did not let horses on the streets during daylight hours, the liber albus document lists one law that limits horse drawn carts to all move at the same speed regardless of load.
            – John
            9 hours ago














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          No technology is needed at all:



          From http://www.speedofanimals.com/animals/horse:




          All horses move naturally with four basic gaits: the four-beat walk,
          which averages 6.4 kilometres per hour (4.0 mph); the two-beat trot or
          jog, which averages 13 to 19 kilometres per hour (8.1 to 12 mph)
          (faster for harness racing horses); and the leaping gaits known as the
          canter or lope (a three-beat gait that is 19 to 24 kilometres per hour
          (12 to 15 mph), and the gallop. The gallop averages 40 to 48
          kilometres per hour (25 to 30 mph).




          Only the gallop is over the limit: The speed limit can be enforced with a simple no-galloping rule. Any minimally-trained observer can tell the difference between the gaits.






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          No technology is needed at all:



          From http://www.speedofanimals.com/animals/horse:




          All horses move naturally with four basic gaits: the four-beat walk,
          which averages 6.4 kilometres per hour (4.0 mph); the two-beat trot or
          jog, which averages 13 to 19 kilometres per hour (8.1 to 12 mph)
          (faster for harness racing horses); and the leaping gaits known as the
          canter or lope (a three-beat gait that is 19 to 24 kilometres per hour
          (12 to 15 mph), and the gallop. The gallop averages 40 to 48
          kilometres per hour (25 to 30 mph).




          Only the gallop is over the limit: The speed limit can be enforced with a simple no-galloping rule. Any minimally-trained observer can tell the difference between the gaits.







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          • 13




            @chaslyfromUK - if you are asking how the Scientific Advisor would arrive at a similar conclusion, a known distance, a minuteglass, and the cooperation of a few horses and riders on a nice day would be sufficient to gather the requisite data. The analysis is trivial unless you want to go the extra mile to determine statistical distributions of each gait.
            – user535733
            21 hours ago








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            And, to be perfectly honest - in medieval times, the Emperor is far more likely to say "no horse may gallop within the city walls" instead of "no horse may exceed the speed of five leagues per hour"
            – Chronocidal
            17 hours ago






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            This additionally makes it easy for the riders or coachmen, who would generally lack a speedometer, to follow.
            – Jan Hudec
            14 hours ago








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            @Mazura - think about the characteristics of a medieval town: Narrow streets with lots of blind corners, Lots of people, trash, and sewage on many of those narrow streets. Only a fool would gallop in such a risky environment. Horses were expensive -- few such fools had the means to own horses.
            – user535733
            9 hours ago








          • 1




            @Mazura I know many cities had rules about when horses were allowed in the city, many did not let horses on the streets during daylight hours, the liber albus document lists one law that limits horse drawn carts to all move at the same speed regardless of load.
            – John
            9 hours ago














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            @chaslyfromUK - if you are asking how the Scientific Advisor would arrive at a similar conclusion, a known distance, a minuteglass, and the cooperation of a few horses and riders on a nice day would be sufficient to gather the requisite data. The analysis is trivial unless you want to go the extra mile to determine statistical distributions of each gait.
            – user535733
            21 hours ago








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            And, to be perfectly honest - in medieval times, the Emperor is far more likely to say "no horse may gallop within the city walls" instead of "no horse may exceed the speed of five leagues per hour"
            – Chronocidal
            17 hours ago






          • 1




            This additionally makes it easy for the riders or coachmen, who would generally lack a speedometer, to follow.
            – Jan Hudec
            14 hours ago








          • 2




            @Mazura - think about the characteristics of a medieval town: Narrow streets with lots of blind corners, Lots of people, trash, and sewage on many of those narrow streets. Only a fool would gallop in such a risky environment. Horses were expensive -- few such fools had the means to own horses.
            – user535733
            9 hours ago








          • 1




            @Mazura I know many cities had rules about when horses were allowed in the city, many did not let horses on the streets during daylight hours, the liber albus document lists one law that limits horse drawn carts to all move at the same speed regardless of load.
            – John
            9 hours ago








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          @chaslyfromUK - if you are asking how the Scientific Advisor would arrive at a similar conclusion, a known distance, a minuteglass, and the cooperation of a few horses and riders on a nice day would be sufficient to gather the requisite data. The analysis is trivial unless you want to go the extra mile to determine statistical distributions of each gait.
          – user535733
          21 hours ago






          @chaslyfromUK - if you are asking how the Scientific Advisor would arrive at a similar conclusion, a known distance, a minuteglass, and the cooperation of a few horses and riders on a nice day would be sufficient to gather the requisite data. The analysis is trivial unless you want to go the extra mile to determine statistical distributions of each gait.
          – user535733
          21 hours ago






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          And, to be perfectly honest - in medieval times, the Emperor is far more likely to say "no horse may gallop within the city walls" instead of "no horse may exceed the speed of five leagues per hour"
          – Chronocidal
          17 hours ago




          And, to be perfectly honest - in medieval times, the Emperor is far more likely to say "no horse may gallop within the city walls" instead of "no horse may exceed the speed of five leagues per hour"
          – Chronocidal
          17 hours ago




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          This additionally makes it easy for the riders or coachmen, who would generally lack a speedometer, to follow.
          – Jan Hudec
          14 hours ago






          This additionally makes it easy for the riders or coachmen, who would generally lack a speedometer, to follow.
          – Jan Hudec
          14 hours ago






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          @Mazura - think about the characteristics of a medieval town: Narrow streets with lots of blind corners, Lots of people, trash, and sewage on many of those narrow streets. Only a fool would gallop in such a risky environment. Horses were expensive -- few such fools had the means to own horses.
          – user535733
          9 hours ago






          @Mazura - think about the characteristics of a medieval town: Narrow streets with lots of blind corners, Lots of people, trash, and sewage on many of those narrow streets. Only a fool would gallop in such a risky environment. Horses were expensive -- few such fools had the means to own horses.
          – user535733
          9 hours ago






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          @Mazura I know many cities had rules about when horses were allowed in the city, many did not let horses on the streets during daylight hours, the liber albus document lists one law that limits horse drawn carts to all move at the same speed regardless of load.
          – John
          9 hours ago




          @Mazura I know many cities had rules about when horses were allowed in the city, many did not let horses on the streets during daylight hours, the liber albus document lists one law that limits horse drawn carts to all move at the same speed regardless of load.
          – John
          9 hours ago











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          With medieval roads? Don't even bother! Their axles will shatter if they try going too fast.



          If you insist, put up speedbumps every hundred metres or so, or have twisted roads within your city limits. That will limit speed without needing the excess costs of constant monitoring. Anybody going too fast will either lose their wheels or make a sufficient racket to get bystanders' attention.






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          • The noise, +1
            – Mazura
            18 hours ago










          • Accepted answer talks about a 'No Galloping Rule'; how you would enforce that can be left up to the imagination. How you would know when to enforce it, is when a carriage going 30MPH down a cobblestone street sounds like it's destroying the pavement along its way. That way your guards can sit in a shack and play cards all day like they're supposed to.
            – Mazura
            10 hours ago
















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          With medieval roads? Don't even bother! Their axles will shatter if they try going too fast.



          If you insist, put up speedbumps every hundred metres or so, or have twisted roads within your city limits. That will limit speed without needing the excess costs of constant monitoring. Anybody going too fast will either lose their wheels or make a sufficient racket to get bystanders' attention.






          share|improve this answer























          • The noise, +1
            – Mazura
            18 hours ago










          • Accepted answer talks about a 'No Galloping Rule'; how you would enforce that can be left up to the imagination. How you would know when to enforce it, is when a carriage going 30MPH down a cobblestone street sounds like it's destroying the pavement along its way. That way your guards can sit in a shack and play cards all day like they're supposed to.
            – Mazura
            10 hours ago














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          With medieval roads? Don't even bother! Their axles will shatter if they try going too fast.



          If you insist, put up speedbumps every hundred metres or so, or have twisted roads within your city limits. That will limit speed without needing the excess costs of constant monitoring. Anybody going too fast will either lose their wheels or make a sufficient racket to get bystanders' attention.






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          With medieval roads? Don't even bother! Their axles will shatter if they try going too fast.



          If you insist, put up speedbumps every hundred metres or so, or have twisted roads within your city limits. That will limit speed without needing the excess costs of constant monitoring. Anybody going too fast will either lose their wheels or make a sufficient racket to get bystanders' attention.







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          • Accepted answer talks about a 'No Galloping Rule'; how you would enforce that can be left up to the imagination. How you would know when to enforce it, is when a carriage going 30MPH down a cobblestone street sounds like it's destroying the pavement along its way. That way your guards can sit in a shack and play cards all day like they're supposed to.
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          • The noise, +1
            – Mazura
            18 hours ago










          • Accepted answer talks about a 'No Galloping Rule'; how you would enforce that can be left up to the imagination. How you would know when to enforce it, is when a carriage going 30MPH down a cobblestone street sounds like it's destroying the pavement along its way. That way your guards can sit in a shack and play cards all day like they're supposed to.
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          The noise, +1
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          18 hours ago




          The noise, +1
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          18 hours ago












          Accepted answer talks about a 'No Galloping Rule'; how you would enforce that can be left up to the imagination. How you would know when to enforce it, is when a carriage going 30MPH down a cobblestone street sounds like it's destroying the pavement along its way. That way your guards can sit in a shack and play cards all day like they're supposed to.
          – Mazura
          10 hours ago




          Accepted answer talks about a 'No Galloping Rule'; how you would enforce that can be left up to the imagination. How you would know when to enforce it, is when a carriage going 30MPH down a cobblestone street sounds like it's destroying the pavement along its way. That way your guards can sit in a shack and play cards all day like they're supposed to.
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          If you want a reliable measuring equipment, you need to have better than medieval clocks and odometers.



          A clock which can be transported on bumpy medieval roads and still measure the time in a good way is probably out of time for the middle age.



          I think it is more practical to limit the horse gait. Step, trott and gallop come with peculiar velocities and can be easily recognized without any measuring device. Furthermore, it's harder to tamper with them.






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            If you want a reliable measuring equipment, you need to have better than medieval clocks and odometers.



            A clock which can be transported on bumpy medieval roads and still measure the time in a good way is probably out of time for the middle age.



            I think it is more practical to limit the horse gait. Step, trott and gallop come with peculiar velocities and can be easily recognized without any measuring device. Furthermore, it's harder to tamper with them.






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              If you want a reliable measuring equipment, you need to have better than medieval clocks and odometers.



              A clock which can be transported on bumpy medieval roads and still measure the time in a good way is probably out of time for the middle age.



              I think it is more practical to limit the horse gait. Step, trott and gallop come with peculiar velocities and can be easily recognized without any measuring device. Furthermore, it's harder to tamper with them.






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              If you want a reliable measuring equipment, you need to have better than medieval clocks and odometers.



              A clock which can be transported on bumpy medieval roads and still measure the time in a good way is probably out of time for the middle age.



              I think it is more practical to limit the horse gait. Step, trott and gallop come with peculiar velocities and can be easily recognized without any measuring device. Furthermore, it's harder to tamper with them.







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                  My knee-jerk reaction is that no one during medieval times would think in terms of distance-per-time. They're far more likely to think in terms of the behavior of the primary engine of motivation: the horse. In other words, the law would be that no one can run their horse above a canter. Everyone would understand that. Nobody would understand distance-per-time, even if you could invoke the tech to do it.



                  Add to this that historically politicians have never understood science and it's pretty much a guarantee that what you're seeking will never come to pass. The emperor would declare that no one can go faster than his horse (because a royal horse is the correct speed, after all).






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                    My knee-jerk reaction is that no one during medieval times would think in terms of distance-per-time. They're far more likely to think in terms of the behavior of the primary engine of motivation: the horse. In other words, the law would be that no one can run their horse above a canter. Everyone would understand that. Nobody would understand distance-per-time, even if you could invoke the tech to do it.



                    Add to this that historically politicians have never understood science and it's pretty much a guarantee that what you're seeking will never come to pass. The emperor would declare that no one can go faster than his horse (because a royal horse is the correct speed, after all).






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                      My knee-jerk reaction is that no one during medieval times would think in terms of distance-per-time. They're far more likely to think in terms of the behavior of the primary engine of motivation: the horse. In other words, the law would be that no one can run their horse above a canter. Everyone would understand that. Nobody would understand distance-per-time, even if you could invoke the tech to do it.



                      Add to this that historically politicians have never understood science and it's pretty much a guarantee that what you're seeking will never come to pass. The emperor would declare that no one can go faster than his horse (because a royal horse is the correct speed, after all).






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                      My knee-jerk reaction is that no one during medieval times would think in terms of distance-per-time. They're far more likely to think in terms of the behavior of the primary engine of motivation: the horse. In other words, the law would be that no one can run their horse above a canter. Everyone would understand that. Nobody would understand distance-per-time, even if you could invoke the tech to do it.



                      Add to this that historically politicians have never understood science and it's pretty much a guarantee that what you're seeking will never come to pass. The emperor would declare that no one can go faster than his horse (because a royal horse is the correct speed, after all).







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                          I would just post an officer with an hourglass at one end of a street of known length. If he sees a horse or a vehicle passing a certain point at the beginning of the street, he turns the hourglass; if the road user passes the end of the street before the hourglass has finished, that means they're speeding, and eligible for a fine. If you make the fine high enough, e.g. seizure of the horse or carriage, people will make sure they'll never be speeding and keep a safe margin away from the maximum speed.



                          I'm not sure how precise medieval hourglasses were, but (sorry for using another system) your maximum speed amounts to 6.7 m/s; given a street of 100 meter, this is 14.9 seconds; you'll need 1.5 second precision (from both the hourglass and the observer) to obtain 0.5 league per hour precision.






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                            Theoretically a speeding guy could run until a certain point and then stop before the measuring guy, fooling the system.
                            – L.Dutch
                            21 hours ago










                          • This is literally how "average speed cameras" work on the Motorways in the UK
                            – Richard
                            19 hours ago










                          • @L.Dutch, they could, but stopping to ensure their average speed was low enough would defeat the point of running in the first place :)
                            – Dancrumb
                            17 hours ago










                          • @Dancrumb, that's what some people do with modern systems: they run like hell between the measuring points, then stop for a coffee just to lower the average speed. I am not saying it is smart.
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                          I would just post an officer with an hourglass at one end of a street of known length. If he sees a horse or a vehicle passing a certain point at the beginning of the street, he turns the hourglass; if the road user passes the end of the street before the hourglass has finished, that means they're speeding, and eligible for a fine. If you make the fine high enough, e.g. seizure of the horse or carriage, people will make sure they'll never be speeding and keep a safe margin away from the maximum speed.



                          I'm not sure how precise medieval hourglasses were, but (sorry for using another system) your maximum speed amounts to 6.7 m/s; given a street of 100 meter, this is 14.9 seconds; you'll need 1.5 second precision (from both the hourglass and the observer) to obtain 0.5 league per hour precision.






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                            Theoretically a speeding guy could run until a certain point and then stop before the measuring guy, fooling the system.
                            – L.Dutch
                            21 hours ago










                          • This is literally how "average speed cameras" work on the Motorways in the UK
                            – Richard
                            19 hours ago










                          • @L.Dutch, they could, but stopping to ensure their average speed was low enough would defeat the point of running in the first place :)
                            – Dancrumb
                            17 hours ago










                          • @Dancrumb, that's what some people do with modern systems: they run like hell between the measuring points, then stop for a coffee just to lower the average speed. I am not saying it is smart.
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                          I would just post an officer with an hourglass at one end of a street of known length. If he sees a horse or a vehicle passing a certain point at the beginning of the street, he turns the hourglass; if the road user passes the end of the street before the hourglass has finished, that means they're speeding, and eligible for a fine. If you make the fine high enough, e.g. seizure of the horse or carriage, people will make sure they'll never be speeding and keep a safe margin away from the maximum speed.



                          I'm not sure how precise medieval hourglasses were, but (sorry for using another system) your maximum speed amounts to 6.7 m/s; given a street of 100 meter, this is 14.9 seconds; you'll need 1.5 second precision (from both the hourglass and the observer) to obtain 0.5 league per hour precision.






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                          I would just post an officer with an hourglass at one end of a street of known length. If he sees a horse or a vehicle passing a certain point at the beginning of the street, he turns the hourglass; if the road user passes the end of the street before the hourglass has finished, that means they're speeding, and eligible for a fine. If you make the fine high enough, e.g. seizure of the horse or carriage, people will make sure they'll never be speeding and keep a safe margin away from the maximum speed.



                          I'm not sure how precise medieval hourglasses were, but (sorry for using another system) your maximum speed amounts to 6.7 m/s; given a street of 100 meter, this is 14.9 seconds; you'll need 1.5 second precision (from both the hourglass and the observer) to obtain 0.5 league per hour precision.







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                            Theoretically a speeding guy could run until a certain point and then stop before the measuring guy, fooling the system.
                            – L.Dutch
                            21 hours ago










                          • This is literally how "average speed cameras" work on the Motorways in the UK
                            – Richard
                            19 hours ago










                          • @L.Dutch, they could, but stopping to ensure their average speed was low enough would defeat the point of running in the first place :)
                            – Dancrumb
                            17 hours ago










                          • @Dancrumb, that's what some people do with modern systems: they run like hell between the measuring points, then stop for a coffee just to lower the average speed. I am not saying it is smart.
                            – L.Dutch
                            11 hours ago














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                            Theoretically a speeding guy could run until a certain point and then stop before the measuring guy, fooling the system.
                            – L.Dutch
                            21 hours ago










                          • This is literally how "average speed cameras" work on the Motorways in the UK
                            – Richard
                            19 hours ago










                          • @L.Dutch, they could, but stopping to ensure their average speed was low enough would defeat the point of running in the first place :)
                            – Dancrumb
                            17 hours ago










                          • @Dancrumb, that's what some people do with modern systems: they run like hell between the measuring points, then stop for a coffee just to lower the average speed. I am not saying it is smart.
                            – L.Dutch
                            11 hours ago








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                          Theoretically a speeding guy could run until a certain point and then stop before the measuring guy, fooling the system.
                          – L.Dutch
                          21 hours ago




                          Theoretically a speeding guy could run until a certain point and then stop before the measuring guy, fooling the system.
                          – L.Dutch
                          21 hours ago












                          This is literally how "average speed cameras" work on the Motorways in the UK
                          – Richard
                          19 hours ago




                          This is literally how "average speed cameras" work on the Motorways in the UK
                          – Richard
                          19 hours ago












                          @L.Dutch, they could, but stopping to ensure their average speed was low enough would defeat the point of running in the first place :)
                          – Dancrumb
                          17 hours ago




                          @L.Dutch, they could, but stopping to ensure their average speed was low enough would defeat the point of running in the first place :)
                          – Dancrumb
                          17 hours ago












                          @Dancrumb, that's what some people do with modern systems: they run like hell between the measuring points, then stop for a coffee just to lower the average speed. I am not saying it is smart.
                          – L.Dutch
                          11 hours ago




                          @Dancrumb, that's what some people do with modern systems: they run like hell between the measuring points, then stop for a coffee just to lower the average speed. I am not saying it is smart.
                          – L.Dutch
                          11 hours ago











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                          Odometers/speedometers/ etc. will not work here because they can be mandated for carts but not for horses - you can make a speedometer today (and even 100 years ago) that could fit on a horse without weighing it down too much, but you could not have done that 500 years ago. So the only solutions are, as suggested by others, are to measure the speed externally by:




                          • Limit based on horse gait (if it comes through the gate with the wrong gait...) By far the simplest with the catch that someone might try to train their horse to run differently, though I think that would be impractical at best. This works as long as the desired speed matches well with different gaits, and is the simplest yet also subjective. But then again, the word of the emperor's traffic enforcer is considered trustworthy by definition.


                          • Hourglass. The good part about an hourglass in medieval times is that if you make one and it turns out to run too slow or too fast, due to the hole between the sections being hard to reproduce exactly the same between hourglasses, it really doesn't matter. The emperor & his scientific advisor produce one reference hourglass. When a new hourglass is manufactured, you add or remove sand until it runs for the same amount of time.



                          The emperor has another trick up his royal sleeve: If he wants to arrest someone, he can have his traffic enforcer release dogs into the street as his rival crosses the starting line. The horses react and gallop along uncontrollably for a block and the enforcer gets to write his ticket. Which can include, at his discretion, a visit to the dungeon.






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                            Odometers/speedometers/ etc. will not work here because they can be mandated for carts but not for horses - you can make a speedometer today (and even 100 years ago) that could fit on a horse without weighing it down too much, but you could not have done that 500 years ago. So the only solutions are, as suggested by others, are to measure the speed externally by:




                            • Limit based on horse gait (if it comes through the gate with the wrong gait...) By far the simplest with the catch that someone might try to train their horse to run differently, though I think that would be impractical at best. This works as long as the desired speed matches well with different gaits, and is the simplest yet also subjective. But then again, the word of the emperor's traffic enforcer is considered trustworthy by definition.


                            • Hourglass. The good part about an hourglass in medieval times is that if you make one and it turns out to run too slow or too fast, due to the hole between the sections being hard to reproduce exactly the same between hourglasses, it really doesn't matter. The emperor & his scientific advisor produce one reference hourglass. When a new hourglass is manufactured, you add or remove sand until it runs for the same amount of time.



                            The emperor has another trick up his royal sleeve: If he wants to arrest someone, he can have his traffic enforcer release dogs into the street as his rival crosses the starting line. The horses react and gallop along uncontrollably for a block and the enforcer gets to write his ticket. Which can include, at his discretion, a visit to the dungeon.






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                              Odometers/speedometers/ etc. will not work here because they can be mandated for carts but not for horses - you can make a speedometer today (and even 100 years ago) that could fit on a horse without weighing it down too much, but you could not have done that 500 years ago. So the only solutions are, as suggested by others, are to measure the speed externally by:




                              • Limit based on horse gait (if it comes through the gate with the wrong gait...) By far the simplest with the catch that someone might try to train their horse to run differently, though I think that would be impractical at best. This works as long as the desired speed matches well with different gaits, and is the simplest yet also subjective. But then again, the word of the emperor's traffic enforcer is considered trustworthy by definition.


                              • Hourglass. The good part about an hourglass in medieval times is that if you make one and it turns out to run too slow or too fast, due to the hole between the sections being hard to reproduce exactly the same between hourglasses, it really doesn't matter. The emperor & his scientific advisor produce one reference hourglass. When a new hourglass is manufactured, you add or remove sand until it runs for the same amount of time.



                              The emperor has another trick up his royal sleeve: If he wants to arrest someone, he can have his traffic enforcer release dogs into the street as his rival crosses the starting line. The horses react and gallop along uncontrollably for a block and the enforcer gets to write his ticket. Which can include, at his discretion, a visit to the dungeon.






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                              Odometers/speedometers/ etc. will not work here because they can be mandated for carts but not for horses - you can make a speedometer today (and even 100 years ago) that could fit on a horse without weighing it down too much, but you could not have done that 500 years ago. So the only solutions are, as suggested by others, are to measure the speed externally by:




                              • Limit based on horse gait (if it comes through the gate with the wrong gait...) By far the simplest with the catch that someone might try to train their horse to run differently, though I think that would be impractical at best. This works as long as the desired speed matches well with different gaits, and is the simplest yet also subjective. But then again, the word of the emperor's traffic enforcer is considered trustworthy by definition.


                              • Hourglass. The good part about an hourglass in medieval times is that if you make one and it turns out to run too slow or too fast, due to the hole between the sections being hard to reproduce exactly the same between hourglasses, it really doesn't matter. The emperor & his scientific advisor produce one reference hourglass. When a new hourglass is manufactured, you add or remove sand until it runs for the same amount of time.



                              The emperor has another trick up his royal sleeve: If he wants to arrest someone, he can have his traffic enforcer release dogs into the street as his rival crosses the starting line. The horses react and gallop along uncontrollably for a block and the enforcer gets to write his ticket. Which can include, at his discretion, a visit to the dungeon.







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                                  No technology needed



                                  These are medieval times. The Emperor's authority is absolute, and the Emperor's officers' authority can only be countermanded by the Emperor.



                                  So you just need to show the traffic enforcement soldiers (because they will be soldiers) what a horse running at 5 leagues per hour looks like, and then say "anything faster than that, book them."



                                  As with Judge Dredd, these soldiers are judge and jury. You have no right of appeal, no right of complaint, no right to do anything except pay them, which you do at the point of a sword. It doesn't matter whether they're right.






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                                    No technology needed



                                    These are medieval times. The Emperor's authority is absolute, and the Emperor's officers' authority can only be countermanded by the Emperor.



                                    So you just need to show the traffic enforcement soldiers (because they will be soldiers) what a horse running at 5 leagues per hour looks like, and then say "anything faster than that, book them."



                                    As with Judge Dredd, these soldiers are judge and jury. You have no right of appeal, no right of complaint, no right to do anything except pay them, which you do at the point of a sword. It doesn't matter whether they're right.






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                                      No technology needed



                                      These are medieval times. The Emperor's authority is absolute, and the Emperor's officers' authority can only be countermanded by the Emperor.



                                      So you just need to show the traffic enforcement soldiers (because they will be soldiers) what a horse running at 5 leagues per hour looks like, and then say "anything faster than that, book them."



                                      As with Judge Dredd, these soldiers are judge and jury. You have no right of appeal, no right of complaint, no right to do anything except pay them, which you do at the point of a sword. It doesn't matter whether they're right.






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                                      No technology needed



                                      These are medieval times. The Emperor's authority is absolute, and the Emperor's officers' authority can only be countermanded by the Emperor.



                                      So you just need to show the traffic enforcement soldiers (because they will be soldiers) what a horse running at 5 leagues per hour looks like, and then say "anything faster than that, book them."



                                      As with Judge Dredd, these soldiers are judge and jury. You have no right of appeal, no right of complaint, no right to do anything except pay them, which you do at the point of a sword. It doesn't matter whether they're right.







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                                          I like Glorfindel's proposal, but the hourglass for every traffic warden is not really necessary within city limits as long as there can be a bell tower.




                                          • Get a precise map of the streets, using the odometer cart.

                                          • Label all intersections and intervals within longer streets.

                                          • By law, all horsemen and cart drivers must carry a log book. At each sound of the bell, they must write down where they are. There are spot checks and serious penalties for inaccuracy.

                                          • Every night the logs are collected and a random sample is analyzed.


                                          The problem with that is that it only provides average speeds. If the average speed is above the limit then the top speed must have been above the limit as well. But an average speed below the limit does not prove that the cart never went above top speed.





                                          A Rube Goldberg Speedometer




                                          1. An odometer drops stone balls onto a scale depending on distance traveled.

                                          2. A mechanism triggered by the falling level of a water clock kicks stone balls of the scale at the right rate for top speed. If there is no stone, nothing happens. (That's where I get a little fuzzy. Ask your resident mad genius.)

                                          3. Whenever there are two or more stones on the scale at the same time, the balance arm moves and breaks a seal.


                                          Completely insane, of course.






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                                          • This works if this is an absolute-everywhere limit. But (a) the horses can go faster for a short distance - e.g., trotting at a normal speed and the driver sees something rolling down the street and speeds up to pass before it gets to the middle of the street (I think speeding up a horse/cart is going to be easier than braking to a stop (the horse can stop easily but carts didn't have antilock brakes) and (b) if they go out of town for a bit and forget to reset the odometer before coming into town then they would be caught yet not have broken the law.
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                                            19 hours ago
















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                                          I like Glorfindel's proposal, but the hourglass for every traffic warden is not really necessary within city limits as long as there can be a bell tower.




                                          • Get a precise map of the streets, using the odometer cart.

                                          • Label all intersections and intervals within longer streets.

                                          • By law, all horsemen and cart drivers must carry a log book. At each sound of the bell, they must write down where they are. There are spot checks and serious penalties for inaccuracy.

                                          • Every night the logs are collected and a random sample is analyzed.


                                          The problem with that is that it only provides average speeds. If the average speed is above the limit then the top speed must have been above the limit as well. But an average speed below the limit does not prove that the cart never went above top speed.





                                          A Rube Goldberg Speedometer




                                          1. An odometer drops stone balls onto a scale depending on distance traveled.

                                          2. A mechanism triggered by the falling level of a water clock kicks stone balls of the scale at the right rate for top speed. If there is no stone, nothing happens. (That's where I get a little fuzzy. Ask your resident mad genius.)

                                          3. Whenever there are two or more stones on the scale at the same time, the balance arm moves and breaks a seal.


                                          Completely insane, of course.






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                                          • This works if this is an absolute-everywhere limit. But (a) the horses can go faster for a short distance - e.g., trotting at a normal speed and the driver sees something rolling down the street and speeds up to pass before it gets to the middle of the street (I think speeding up a horse/cart is going to be easier than braking to a stop (the horse can stop easily but carts didn't have antilock brakes) and (b) if they go out of town for a bit and forget to reset the odometer before coming into town then they would be caught yet not have broken the law.
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                                          I like Glorfindel's proposal, but the hourglass for every traffic warden is not really necessary within city limits as long as there can be a bell tower.




                                          • Get a precise map of the streets, using the odometer cart.

                                          • Label all intersections and intervals within longer streets.

                                          • By law, all horsemen and cart drivers must carry a log book. At each sound of the bell, they must write down where they are. There are spot checks and serious penalties for inaccuracy.

                                          • Every night the logs are collected and a random sample is analyzed.


                                          The problem with that is that it only provides average speeds. If the average speed is above the limit then the top speed must have been above the limit as well. But an average speed below the limit does not prove that the cart never went above top speed.





                                          A Rube Goldberg Speedometer




                                          1. An odometer drops stone balls onto a scale depending on distance traveled.

                                          2. A mechanism triggered by the falling level of a water clock kicks stone balls of the scale at the right rate for top speed. If there is no stone, nothing happens. (That's where I get a little fuzzy. Ask your resident mad genius.)

                                          3. Whenever there are two or more stones on the scale at the same time, the balance arm moves and breaks a seal.


                                          Completely insane, of course.






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                                          I like Glorfindel's proposal, but the hourglass for every traffic warden is not really necessary within city limits as long as there can be a bell tower.




                                          • Get a precise map of the streets, using the odometer cart.

                                          • Label all intersections and intervals within longer streets.

                                          • By law, all horsemen and cart drivers must carry a log book. At each sound of the bell, they must write down where they are. There are spot checks and serious penalties for inaccuracy.

                                          • Every night the logs are collected and a random sample is analyzed.


                                          The problem with that is that it only provides average speeds. If the average speed is above the limit then the top speed must have been above the limit as well. But an average speed below the limit does not prove that the cart never went above top speed.





                                          A Rube Goldberg Speedometer




                                          1. An odometer drops stone balls onto a scale depending on distance traveled.

                                          2. A mechanism triggered by the falling level of a water clock kicks stone balls of the scale at the right rate for top speed. If there is no stone, nothing happens. (That's where I get a little fuzzy. Ask your resident mad genius.)

                                          3. Whenever there are two or more stones on the scale at the same time, the balance arm moves and breaks a seal.


                                          Completely insane, of course.







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                                          • This works if this is an absolute-everywhere limit. But (a) the horses can go faster for a short distance - e.g., trotting at a normal speed and the driver sees something rolling down the street and speeds up to pass before it gets to the middle of the street (I think speeding up a horse/cart is going to be easier than braking to a stop (the horse can stop easily but carts didn't have antilock brakes) and (b) if they go out of town for a bit and forget to reset the odometer before coming into town then they would be caught yet not have broken the law.
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                                          • This works if this is an absolute-everywhere limit. But (a) the horses can go faster for a short distance - e.g., trotting at a normal speed and the driver sees something rolling down the street and speeds up to pass before it gets to the middle of the street (I think speeding up a horse/cart is going to be easier than braking to a stop (the horse can stop easily but carts didn't have antilock brakes) and (b) if they go out of town for a bit and forget to reset the odometer before coming into town then they would be caught yet not have broken the law.
                                            – manassehkatz
                                            19 hours ago
















                                          This works if this is an absolute-everywhere limit. But (a) the horses can go faster for a short distance - e.g., trotting at a normal speed and the driver sees something rolling down the street and speeds up to pass before it gets to the middle of the street (I think speeding up a horse/cart is going to be easier than braking to a stop (the horse can stop easily but carts didn't have antilock brakes) and (b) if they go out of town for a bit and forget to reset the odometer before coming into town then they would be caught yet not have broken the law.
                                          – manassehkatz
                                          19 hours ago




                                          This works if this is an absolute-everywhere limit. But (a) the horses can go faster for a short distance - e.g., trotting at a normal speed and the driver sees something rolling down the street and speeds up to pass before it gets to the middle of the street (I think speeding up a horse/cart is going to be easier than braking to a stop (the horse can stop easily but carts didn't have antilock brakes) and (b) if they go out of town for a bit and forget to reset the odometer before coming into town then they would be caught yet not have broken the law.
                                          – manassehkatz
                                          19 hours ago


















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