Do I have to hide anything related to the swastika while travelling to the USA?
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Swastika is religious symbol in India and many countries don't find it offensive but due to Nazi connections, will a traveler will get in trouble if he carries anything with the swastika symbol in the USA? Like a T-shirt, Tattoo or religious book with that logo? Do I need to hide it, or avoid even carrying it?
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Swastika is religious symbol in India and many countries don't find it offensive but due to Nazi connections, will a traveler will get in trouble if he carries anything with the swastika symbol in the USA? Like a T-shirt, Tattoo or religious book with that logo? Do I need to hide it, or avoid even carrying it?
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Im not too sure about America however I would imagine it similar, I live in the UK and someone with the swastika on his shirt (religious reasons, not nazi) was properly harrassed in london. A mob formed around them and they had to be escorted away to avoid being physically attacked by armed police. I would be careful, people love to make assumptions.
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@KyleWardle that's scary
– Ankit Sharma
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@KyleWardle wow, "being physically atacked by armed police"? ;-)
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Oof yes my wording was not ideal aha
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Swastika is religious symbol in India and many countries don't find it offensive but due to Nazi connections, will a traveler will get in trouble if he carries anything with the swastika symbol in the USA? Like a T-shirt, Tattoo or religious book with that logo? Do I need to hide it, or avoid even carrying it?
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Swastika is religious symbol in India and many countries don't find it offensive but due to Nazi connections, will a traveler will get in trouble if he carries anything with the swastika symbol in the USA? Like a T-shirt, Tattoo or religious book with that logo? Do I need to hide it, or avoid even carrying it?
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Welcome to travel.stackexchange!
– ajd
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Im not too sure about America however I would imagine it similar, I live in the UK and someone with the swastika on his shirt (religious reasons, not nazi) was properly harrassed in london. A mob formed around them and they had to be escorted away to avoid being physically attacked by armed police. I would be careful, people love to make assumptions.
– Kyle Wardle
3 hours ago
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@KyleWardle that's scary
– Ankit Sharma
3 hours ago
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@KyleWardle wow, "being physically atacked by armed police"? ;-)
– Guido
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Oof yes my wording was not ideal aha
– Kyle Wardle
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Welcome to travel.stackexchange!
– ajd
7 hours ago
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Im not too sure about America however I would imagine it similar, I live in the UK and someone with the swastika on his shirt (religious reasons, not nazi) was properly harrassed in london. A mob formed around them and they had to be escorted away to avoid being physically attacked by armed police. I would be careful, people love to make assumptions.
– Kyle Wardle
3 hours ago
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@KyleWardle that's scary
– Ankit Sharma
3 hours ago
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@KyleWardle wow, "being physically atacked by armed police"? ;-)
– Guido
2 hours ago
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Oof yes my wording was not ideal aha
– Kyle Wardle
1 hour ago
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Welcome to travel.stackexchange!
– ajd
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Welcome to travel.stackexchange!
– ajd
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Im not too sure about America however I would imagine it similar, I live in the UK and someone with the swastika on his shirt (religious reasons, not nazi) was properly harrassed in london. A mob formed around them and they had to be escorted away to avoid being physically attacked by armed police. I would be careful, people love to make assumptions.
– Kyle Wardle
3 hours ago
Im not too sure about America however I would imagine it similar, I live in the UK and someone with the swastika on his shirt (religious reasons, not nazi) was properly harrassed in london. A mob formed around them and they had to be escorted away to avoid being physically attacked by armed police. I would be careful, people love to make assumptions.
– Kyle Wardle
3 hours ago
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@KyleWardle that's scary
– Ankit Sharma
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@KyleWardle that's scary
– Ankit Sharma
3 hours ago
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@KyleWardle wow, "being physically atacked by armed police"? ;-)
– Guido
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@KyleWardle wow, "being physically atacked by armed police"? ;-)
– Guido
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Oof yes my wording was not ideal aha
– Kyle Wardle
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Oof yes my wording was not ideal aha
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It is not illegal to display a swastika in the US; however, the symbol is generally understood in the US to be a symbol of Nazism and displaying it publicly is likely to be extremely hurtful to those around you (perhaps in particular members of groups targeted by Nazis), not to mention earn you significant unwanted attention. If it is on a religious book and it is clear that it is a religious symbol unrelated to the Nazi party, then that is more likely to be OK. I would definitely avoid wearing it on a t-shirt or displaying a swastika tattoo.
Source: I am a US resident.
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This is largely true regardless of the orientation of the symbol. Despite the Nazi version generally being angled and the various religious versions generally being straight, I would not rely the knowledge of most Americans to know/understand the difference.
– Doc
6 hours ago
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In addition to Doc’s comment: at least in Japan the buddhist swastika can be left-facing or right-facing while the nazi one has only one orientation (right-facing)—but again I wouldn’t expect the average American to notice.
– Jan
5 hours ago
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@jwenting The precise content of Doc’s comment, yes ;)
– Jan
5 hours ago
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At first I read the source as I am a US president.
– pat3d3r
4 hours ago
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Agreed. While I sympathise that your intentions are good and the symbol means something positive to you, you should absolutely not display it in the West. Ever! Unless you're a neo-Nazi I suppose.
– Lightness Races in Orbit
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I mostly agree with @ajd, and it'll depend a bit on where in the country you are. While I hate stereotyping, in the US it's not a bad starting point.
T-shirts and apparel with a swastika is almost certain to get you negative attention, especially in more liberal parts of the country, though one might think that more liberal areas would be more likely to understand the difference. In heavily conservative areas, you're more likely to be harassed for being Indian than for a swastika (yes, I've seen it happen). I know it sounds like I'm bashing my country, but this is mostly a worst-case scenario type of thing - better to be prepared and understand than not. :)
The current socio-political environment in the US and the increase in white supremacist activity definitely puts a damper on this particular religious freedom. It's not illegal, and you won't be imprisoned or fined, but I'd be concerned about your safety and well-being.
If you happen to be coming to Michigan, let me know. We have a pretty heavy Indian population here. I can ask a few friends for advice, if they have any, on this particular issue. :)
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I'm not sure why this was downvoted. I once sang in a concert in a church in Columbus, Indiana (a small place that is not to be confused with, but relatively close to, Columbus Ohio). One of the church custodians was a man who seemed to be in his mid twenties who had a swastika tattooed on his arm, along with other Nazi symbols. I do wonder, however, how such a person might react to a symbol of his racism being displayed by a target of his racism.
– phoog
1 hour ago
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@phoog I imagine folk don’t like me generalizing. But when you’re traveling to a foreign country, a generalized approach is best. You can’t know how individuals in every area are going to react.
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There are unfortunately groups of people, especially when in a "group" who are unable to differentiate between one symbol and another.
A recent demonstration of this can be seen in the video below:
https://youtu.be/OkFb6Z4qBo4 (taken from this reddit thread)
I'm not sure the UK is much different in terms of the US with regards to "Social Norms", the other answers go into this in much better detail but I wanted to show a potential reaction.
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It is not illegal to display a swastika in the US; however, the symbol is generally understood in the US to be a symbol of Nazism and displaying it publicly is likely to be extremely hurtful to those around you (perhaps in particular members of groups targeted by Nazis), not to mention earn you significant unwanted attention. If it is on a religious book and it is clear that it is a religious symbol unrelated to the Nazi party, then that is more likely to be OK. I would definitely avoid wearing it on a t-shirt or displaying a swastika tattoo.
Source: I am a US resident.
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This is largely true regardless of the orientation of the symbol. Despite the Nazi version generally being angled and the various religious versions generally being straight, I would not rely the knowledge of most Americans to know/understand the difference.
– Doc
6 hours ago
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In addition to Doc’s comment: at least in Japan the buddhist swastika can be left-facing or right-facing while the nazi one has only one orientation (right-facing)—but again I wouldn’t expect the average American to notice.
– Jan
5 hours ago
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@jwenting The precise content of Doc’s comment, yes ;)
– Jan
5 hours ago
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At first I read the source as I am a US president.
– pat3d3r
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Agreed. While I sympathise that your intentions are good and the symbol means something positive to you, you should absolutely not display it in the West. Ever! Unless you're a neo-Nazi I suppose.
– Lightness Races in Orbit
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It is not illegal to display a swastika in the US; however, the symbol is generally understood in the US to be a symbol of Nazism and displaying it publicly is likely to be extremely hurtful to those around you (perhaps in particular members of groups targeted by Nazis), not to mention earn you significant unwanted attention. If it is on a religious book and it is clear that it is a religious symbol unrelated to the Nazi party, then that is more likely to be OK. I would definitely avoid wearing it on a t-shirt or displaying a swastika tattoo.
Source: I am a US resident.
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This is largely true regardless of the orientation of the symbol. Despite the Nazi version generally being angled and the various religious versions generally being straight, I would not rely the knowledge of most Americans to know/understand the difference.
– Doc
6 hours ago
4
In addition to Doc’s comment: at least in Japan the buddhist swastika can be left-facing or right-facing while the nazi one has only one orientation (right-facing)—but again I wouldn’t expect the average American to notice.
– Jan
5 hours ago
4
@jwenting The precise content of Doc’s comment, yes ;)
– Jan
5 hours ago
14
At first I read the source as I am a US president.
– pat3d3r
4 hours ago
6
Agreed. While I sympathise that your intentions are good and the symbol means something positive to you, you should absolutely not display it in the West. Ever! Unless you're a neo-Nazi I suppose.
– Lightness Races in Orbit
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up vote
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It is not illegal to display a swastika in the US; however, the symbol is generally understood in the US to be a symbol of Nazism and displaying it publicly is likely to be extremely hurtful to those around you (perhaps in particular members of groups targeted by Nazis), not to mention earn you significant unwanted attention. If it is on a religious book and it is clear that it is a religious symbol unrelated to the Nazi party, then that is more likely to be OK. I would definitely avoid wearing it on a t-shirt or displaying a swastika tattoo.
Source: I am a US resident.
It is not illegal to display a swastika in the US; however, the symbol is generally understood in the US to be a symbol of Nazism and displaying it publicly is likely to be extremely hurtful to those around you (perhaps in particular members of groups targeted by Nazis), not to mention earn you significant unwanted attention. If it is on a religious book and it is clear that it is a religious symbol unrelated to the Nazi party, then that is more likely to be OK. I would definitely avoid wearing it on a t-shirt or displaying a swastika tattoo.
Source: I am a US resident.
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This is largely true regardless of the orientation of the symbol. Despite the Nazi version generally being angled and the various religious versions generally being straight, I would not rely the knowledge of most Americans to know/understand the difference.
– Doc
6 hours ago
4
In addition to Doc’s comment: at least in Japan the buddhist swastika can be left-facing or right-facing while the nazi one has only one orientation (right-facing)—but again I wouldn’t expect the average American to notice.
– Jan
5 hours ago
4
@jwenting The precise content of Doc’s comment, yes ;)
– Jan
5 hours ago
14
At first I read the source as I am a US president.
– pat3d3r
4 hours ago
6
Agreed. While I sympathise that your intentions are good and the symbol means something positive to you, you should absolutely not display it in the West. Ever! Unless you're a neo-Nazi I suppose.
– Lightness Races in Orbit
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This is largely true regardless of the orientation of the symbol. Despite the Nazi version generally being angled and the various religious versions generally being straight, I would not rely the knowledge of most Americans to know/understand the difference.
– Doc
6 hours ago
4
In addition to Doc’s comment: at least in Japan the buddhist swastika can be left-facing or right-facing while the nazi one has only one orientation (right-facing)—but again I wouldn’t expect the average American to notice.
– Jan
5 hours ago
4
@jwenting The precise content of Doc’s comment, yes ;)
– Jan
5 hours ago
14
At first I read the source as I am a US president.
– pat3d3r
4 hours ago
6
Agreed. While I sympathise that your intentions are good and the symbol means something positive to you, you should absolutely not display it in the West. Ever! Unless you're a neo-Nazi I suppose.
– Lightness Races in Orbit
2 hours ago
26
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This is largely true regardless of the orientation of the symbol. Despite the Nazi version generally being angled and the various religious versions generally being straight, I would not rely the knowledge of most Americans to know/understand the difference.
– Doc
6 hours ago
This is largely true regardless of the orientation of the symbol. Despite the Nazi version generally being angled and the various religious versions generally being straight, I would not rely the knowledge of most Americans to know/understand the difference.
– Doc
6 hours ago
4
4
In addition to Doc’s comment: at least in Japan the buddhist swastika can be left-facing or right-facing while the nazi one has only one orientation (right-facing)—but again I wouldn’t expect the average American to notice.
– Jan
5 hours ago
In addition to Doc’s comment: at least in Japan the buddhist swastika can be left-facing or right-facing while the nazi one has only one orientation (right-facing)—but again I wouldn’t expect the average American to notice.
– Jan
5 hours ago
4
4
@jwenting The precise content of Doc’s comment, yes ;)
– Jan
5 hours ago
@jwenting The precise content of Doc’s comment, yes ;)
– Jan
5 hours ago
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14
At first I read the source as I am a US president.
– pat3d3r
4 hours ago
At first I read the source as I am a US president.
– pat3d3r
4 hours ago
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6
Agreed. While I sympathise that your intentions are good and the symbol means something positive to you, you should absolutely not display it in the West. Ever! Unless you're a neo-Nazi I suppose.
– Lightness Races in Orbit
2 hours ago
Agreed. While I sympathise that your intentions are good and the symbol means something positive to you, you should absolutely not display it in the West. Ever! Unless you're a neo-Nazi I suppose.
– Lightness Races in Orbit
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I mostly agree with @ajd, and it'll depend a bit on where in the country you are. While I hate stereotyping, in the US it's not a bad starting point.
T-shirts and apparel with a swastika is almost certain to get you negative attention, especially in more liberal parts of the country, though one might think that more liberal areas would be more likely to understand the difference. In heavily conservative areas, you're more likely to be harassed for being Indian than for a swastika (yes, I've seen it happen). I know it sounds like I'm bashing my country, but this is mostly a worst-case scenario type of thing - better to be prepared and understand than not. :)
The current socio-political environment in the US and the increase in white supremacist activity definitely puts a damper on this particular religious freedom. It's not illegal, and you won't be imprisoned or fined, but I'd be concerned about your safety and well-being.
If you happen to be coming to Michigan, let me know. We have a pretty heavy Indian population here. I can ask a few friends for advice, if they have any, on this particular issue. :)
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I'm not sure why this was downvoted. I once sang in a concert in a church in Columbus, Indiana (a small place that is not to be confused with, but relatively close to, Columbus Ohio). One of the church custodians was a man who seemed to be in his mid twenties who had a swastika tattooed on his arm, along with other Nazi symbols. I do wonder, however, how such a person might react to a symbol of his racism being displayed by a target of his racism.
– phoog
1 hour ago
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@phoog I imagine folk don’t like me generalizing. But when you’re traveling to a foreign country, a generalized approach is best. You can’t know how individuals in every area are going to react.
– Jesse Williams
54 mins ago
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I mostly agree with @ajd, and it'll depend a bit on where in the country you are. While I hate stereotyping, in the US it's not a bad starting point.
T-shirts and apparel with a swastika is almost certain to get you negative attention, especially in more liberal parts of the country, though one might think that more liberal areas would be more likely to understand the difference. In heavily conservative areas, you're more likely to be harassed for being Indian than for a swastika (yes, I've seen it happen). I know it sounds like I'm bashing my country, but this is mostly a worst-case scenario type of thing - better to be prepared and understand than not. :)
The current socio-political environment in the US and the increase in white supremacist activity definitely puts a damper on this particular religious freedom. It's not illegal, and you won't be imprisoned or fined, but I'd be concerned about your safety and well-being.
If you happen to be coming to Michigan, let me know. We have a pretty heavy Indian population here. I can ask a few friends for advice, if they have any, on this particular issue. :)
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I'm not sure why this was downvoted. I once sang in a concert in a church in Columbus, Indiana (a small place that is not to be confused with, but relatively close to, Columbus Ohio). One of the church custodians was a man who seemed to be in his mid twenties who had a swastika tattooed on his arm, along with other Nazi symbols. I do wonder, however, how such a person might react to a symbol of his racism being displayed by a target of his racism.
– phoog
1 hour ago
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@phoog I imagine folk don’t like me generalizing. But when you’re traveling to a foreign country, a generalized approach is best. You can’t know how individuals in every area are going to react.
– Jesse Williams
54 mins ago
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I mostly agree with @ajd, and it'll depend a bit on where in the country you are. While I hate stereotyping, in the US it's not a bad starting point.
T-shirts and apparel with a swastika is almost certain to get you negative attention, especially in more liberal parts of the country, though one might think that more liberal areas would be more likely to understand the difference. In heavily conservative areas, you're more likely to be harassed for being Indian than for a swastika (yes, I've seen it happen). I know it sounds like I'm bashing my country, but this is mostly a worst-case scenario type of thing - better to be prepared and understand than not. :)
The current socio-political environment in the US and the increase in white supremacist activity definitely puts a damper on this particular religious freedom. It's not illegal, and you won't be imprisoned or fined, but I'd be concerned about your safety and well-being.
If you happen to be coming to Michigan, let me know. We have a pretty heavy Indian population here. I can ask a few friends for advice, if they have any, on this particular issue. :)
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I mostly agree with @ajd, and it'll depend a bit on where in the country you are. While I hate stereotyping, in the US it's not a bad starting point.
T-shirts and apparel with a swastika is almost certain to get you negative attention, especially in more liberal parts of the country, though one might think that more liberal areas would be more likely to understand the difference. In heavily conservative areas, you're more likely to be harassed for being Indian than for a swastika (yes, I've seen it happen). I know it sounds like I'm bashing my country, but this is mostly a worst-case scenario type of thing - better to be prepared and understand than not. :)
The current socio-political environment in the US and the increase in white supremacist activity definitely puts a damper on this particular religious freedom. It's not illegal, and you won't be imprisoned or fined, but I'd be concerned about your safety and well-being.
If you happen to be coming to Michigan, let me know. We have a pretty heavy Indian population here. I can ask a few friends for advice, if they have any, on this particular issue. :)
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I'm not sure why this was downvoted. I once sang in a concert in a church in Columbus, Indiana (a small place that is not to be confused with, but relatively close to, Columbus Ohio). One of the church custodians was a man who seemed to be in his mid twenties who had a swastika tattooed on his arm, along with other Nazi symbols. I do wonder, however, how such a person might react to a symbol of his racism being displayed by a target of his racism.
– phoog
1 hour ago
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@phoog I imagine folk don’t like me generalizing. But when you’re traveling to a foreign country, a generalized approach is best. You can’t know how individuals in every area are going to react.
– Jesse Williams
54 mins ago
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I'm not sure why this was downvoted. I once sang in a concert in a church in Columbus, Indiana (a small place that is not to be confused with, but relatively close to, Columbus Ohio). One of the church custodians was a man who seemed to be in his mid twenties who had a swastika tattooed on his arm, along with other Nazi symbols. I do wonder, however, how such a person might react to a symbol of his racism being displayed by a target of his racism.
– phoog
1 hour ago
1
@phoog I imagine folk don’t like me generalizing. But when you’re traveling to a foreign country, a generalized approach is best. You can’t know how individuals in every area are going to react.
– Jesse Williams
54 mins ago
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I'm not sure why this was downvoted. I once sang in a concert in a church in Columbus, Indiana (a small place that is not to be confused with, but relatively close to, Columbus Ohio). One of the church custodians was a man who seemed to be in his mid twenties who had a swastika tattooed on his arm, along with other Nazi symbols. I do wonder, however, how such a person might react to a symbol of his racism being displayed by a target of his racism.
– phoog
1 hour ago
I'm not sure why this was downvoted. I once sang in a concert in a church in Columbus, Indiana (a small place that is not to be confused with, but relatively close to, Columbus Ohio). One of the church custodians was a man who seemed to be in his mid twenties who had a swastika tattooed on his arm, along with other Nazi symbols. I do wonder, however, how such a person might react to a symbol of his racism being displayed by a target of his racism.
– phoog
1 hour ago
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@phoog I imagine folk don’t like me generalizing. But when you’re traveling to a foreign country, a generalized approach is best. You can’t know how individuals in every area are going to react.
– Jesse Williams
54 mins ago
@phoog I imagine folk don’t like me generalizing. But when you’re traveling to a foreign country, a generalized approach is best. You can’t know how individuals in every area are going to react.
– Jesse Williams
54 mins ago
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There are unfortunately groups of people, especially when in a "group" who are unable to differentiate between one symbol and another.
A recent demonstration of this can be seen in the video below:
https://youtu.be/OkFb6Z4qBo4 (taken from this reddit thread)
I'm not sure the UK is much different in terms of the US with regards to "Social Norms", the other answers go into this in much better detail but I wanted to show a potential reaction.
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There are unfortunately groups of people, especially when in a "group" who are unable to differentiate between one symbol and another.
A recent demonstration of this can be seen in the video below:
https://youtu.be/OkFb6Z4qBo4 (taken from this reddit thread)
I'm not sure the UK is much different in terms of the US with regards to "Social Norms", the other answers go into this in much better detail but I wanted to show a potential reaction.
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There are unfortunately groups of people, especially when in a "group" who are unable to differentiate between one symbol and another.
A recent demonstration of this can be seen in the video below:
https://youtu.be/OkFb6Z4qBo4 (taken from this reddit thread)
I'm not sure the UK is much different in terms of the US with regards to "Social Norms", the other answers go into this in much better detail but I wanted to show a potential reaction.
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There are unfortunately groups of people, especially when in a "group" who are unable to differentiate between one symbol and another.
A recent demonstration of this can be seen in the video below:
https://youtu.be/OkFb6Z4qBo4 (taken from this reddit thread)
I'm not sure the UK is much different in terms of the US with regards to "Social Norms", the other answers go into this in much better detail but I wanted to show a potential reaction.
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Welcome to travel.stackexchange!
– ajd
7 hours ago
2
Im not too sure about America however I would imagine it similar, I live in the UK and someone with the swastika on his shirt (religious reasons, not nazi) was properly harrassed in london. A mob formed around them and they had to be escorted away to avoid being physically attacked by armed police. I would be careful, people love to make assumptions.
– Kyle Wardle
3 hours ago
1
@KyleWardle that's scary
– Ankit Sharma
3 hours ago
2
@KyleWardle wow, "being physically atacked by armed police"? ;-)
– Guido
2 hours ago
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Oof yes my wording was not ideal aha
– Kyle Wardle
1 hour ago