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Orgone is the measure of a person's connection with the cosmos. It is the conduit through which the power of the cosmos flows, focused through a sorcerer's will. Everyone is capable of performing magic with enough study. Ritual practicioners must draw on this reserve of power to make a magic spell work. Spells require a constant infusion of Orgone through ritual circles. These rituals vary by time, and can last anywhere from 30 minutes to several hours depending on the spell. There are 5 types of magic:




  • Enchantment Spells – These are spells designed to capture cosmic power within a crafted item, so that its power can be called upon in times of need.


  • Scrying Spells – These are spells designed to allow a user to perceive in ways that go beyond his fve senses.


  • Protection Spells – These are spells designed to ward a user, object, or location against a variety of possible harms


  • Transmogrifcation Spells – These are spells designed to fundamentally alter or control another being


  • Transmutation Spells - Changing the makeup of different materials or combining them with others to make new forms of matter.



Orgone is shaped by the individual's mind into geometrical shapes and figures to form the sigils of the ritual circle. The sigils formed would influence the type of spell performed, as well as its effectiveness. There are certain spells that have been labeled as illegal by the government. This is due to the damage it may cause to society or other individuals without consent, such as invading a person's dreams or summoning dangerous creatures from other planes. The problem is that governments have a difficult time regulating magic.



Performing these spells don't require special materials just knowledge of the seals that need to be created. Hiding or suppressing books and knowledge only goes so far, as some people will eventually get a handle on that information. How can the state regulate magic and track the use of illegal spells when they are conducted by a mage?









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Orgone is the measure of a person's connection with the cosmos. It is the conduit through which the power of the cosmos flows, focused through a sorcerer's will. Everyone is capable of performing magic with enough study. Ritual practicioners must draw on this reserve of power to make a magic spell work. Spells require a constant infusion of Orgone through ritual circles. These rituals vary by time, and can last anywhere from 30 minutes to several hours depending on the spell. There are 5 types of magic:




  • Enchantment Spells – These are spells designed to capture cosmic power within a crafted item, so that its power can be called upon in times of need.


  • Scrying Spells – These are spells designed to allow a user to perceive in ways that go beyond his fve senses.


  • Protection Spells – These are spells designed to ward a user, object, or location against a variety of possible harms


  • Transmogrifcation Spells – These are spells designed to fundamentally alter or control another being


  • Transmutation Spells - Changing the makeup of different materials or combining them with others to make new forms of matter.



Orgone is shaped by the individual's mind into geometrical shapes and figures to form the sigils of the ritual circle. The sigils formed would influence the type of spell performed, as well as its effectiveness. There are certain spells that have been labeled as illegal by the government. This is due to the damage it may cause to society or other individuals without consent, such as invading a person's dreams or summoning dangerous creatures from other planes. The problem is that governments have a difficult time regulating magic.



Performing these spells don't require special materials just knowledge of the seals that need to be created. Hiding or suppressing books and knowledge only goes so far, as some people will eventually get a handle on that information. How can the state regulate magic and track the use of illegal spells when they are conducted by a mage?









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Orgone is the measure of a person's connection with the cosmos. It is the conduit through which the power of the cosmos flows, focused through a sorcerer's will. Everyone is capable of performing magic with enough study. Ritual practicioners must draw on this reserve of power to make a magic spell work. Spells require a constant infusion of Orgone through ritual circles. These rituals vary by time, and can last anywhere from 30 minutes to several hours depending on the spell. There are 5 types of magic:




  • Enchantment Spells – These are spells designed to capture cosmic power within a crafted item, so that its power can be called upon in times of need.


  • Scrying Spells – These are spells designed to allow a user to perceive in ways that go beyond his fve senses.


  • Protection Spells – These are spells designed to ward a user, object, or location against a variety of possible harms


  • Transmogrifcation Spells – These are spells designed to fundamentally alter or control another being


  • Transmutation Spells - Changing the makeup of different materials or combining them with others to make new forms of matter.



Orgone is shaped by the individual's mind into geometrical shapes and figures to form the sigils of the ritual circle. The sigils formed would influence the type of spell performed, as well as its effectiveness. There are certain spells that have been labeled as illegal by the government. This is due to the damage it may cause to society or other individuals without consent, such as invading a person's dreams or summoning dangerous creatures from other planes. The problem is that governments have a difficult time regulating magic.



Performing these spells don't require special materials just knowledge of the seals that need to be created. Hiding or suppressing books and knowledge only goes so far, as some people will eventually get a handle on that information. How can the state regulate magic and track the use of illegal spells when they are conducted by a mage?









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Orgone is the measure of a person's connection with the cosmos. It is the conduit through which the power of the cosmos flows, focused through a sorcerer's will. Everyone is capable of performing magic with enough study. Ritual practicioners must draw on this reserve of power to make a magic spell work. Spells require a constant infusion of Orgone through ritual circles. These rituals vary by time, and can last anywhere from 30 minutes to several hours depending on the spell. There are 5 types of magic:




  • Enchantment Spells – These are spells designed to capture cosmic power within a crafted item, so that its power can be called upon in times of need.


  • Scrying Spells – These are spells designed to allow a user to perceive in ways that go beyond his fve senses.


  • Protection Spells – These are spells designed to ward a user, object, or location against a variety of possible harms


  • Transmogrifcation Spells – These are spells designed to fundamentally alter or control another being


  • Transmutation Spells - Changing the makeup of different materials or combining them with others to make new forms of matter.



Orgone is shaped by the individual's mind into geometrical shapes and figures to form the sigils of the ritual circle. The sigils formed would influence the type of spell performed, as well as its effectiveness. There are certain spells that have been labeled as illegal by the government. This is due to the damage it may cause to society or other individuals without consent, such as invading a person's dreams or summoning dangerous creatures from other planes. The problem is that governments have a difficult time regulating magic.



Performing these spells don't require special materials just knowledge of the seals that need to be created. Hiding or suppressing books and knowledge only goes so far, as some people will eventually get a handle on that information. How can the state regulate magic and track the use of illegal spells when they are conducted by a mage?







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You have a similar problem with your government regulating magic as any government has with regulating weapons. Even restricting education as suggested by @L. Dutch does not help on the long run, as studied mages can train their own students outside classical circles and not shackle them with an oath or provide an unmagical minion with bound artefacts or support from a familiar.



You will either require an oath without any loopholes which is incredibly hard to design. Torturing people or experimenting on them without magic, then healing them magically would completely fulfill the "only good magic" policy, yet it is truly destructive.



Prohibiting exploitation and missuse is almost impossible. Thus, you will require a magic police force, mainly relying on scrying magic to detect any missconduct. Then, you will likely need experts in all fields to investigate or counteract magic missdeeds.






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  • There's a Harry Potter movie that features something like this. If I'm not mistaken, it's either The Goblet of Fire or The Order of the Phoenix. In the scene, a few good guys see a spell that's only casted by Death Eaters (a huge sign in the sky). They get the suspect's wand and cast a spell on it. This spell reveals that the wand was used to cast the sign in the sky. The scrying magic version of this could be cast on objects, people and places. Another ideia: the mage casts it in his eyes, for example, and can see things in a "magic spectrum", through which he can track the perpetrator.
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Create a professional order of the authorized mages, and allow the profession only to those who are member of the order. Membership of the order comes with the oath to perform only legal magic.



In this way the government, whenever some magic is performed, can first check if the performer was or not allowed to perform magic at all, and then if the performed magic was legal or not.



The order can also develop means to detect when magic is performed, to act in a more proactive way with law enforcement.






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All ritual circle sessions must be registered



Since every spell requires a ritual circle and takes "30 minutes to several hours depending on the spell," magic is not something one can do spontaneously or unknowingly.



Think of it like registering a flight plan. Whether you pilot a commercial airliner or you own a tiny plane, you need to create and submit a flight plan before every flight. It's not hard to do. The fact that one flight might be solo to the next county and another might have 3 passengers to 3 states over is fine. You just create a new one each time.



Same with magic. Just a quick report with the names of the participants, the primary spellworker, and the type and purpose of the spell.




  • It's illegal to perform magic without registering the circle first.


  • It's illegal to lie about the participants (last minute changes are okay as long as you amend the report within 24 hours).


  • It's illegal to do certain spells and therefore illegal to lie about the kind of spell you're doing.



This doesn't immediately solve the problem of tracking down illegal magic, but it makes it worlds easier. Any unreported ritual circle is immediately suspect and investigated. Some will just have mild fines for forgetting to file, but others will turn out to have been illegal. Any report with a discrepancy gets investigated. And if there is a crime report later, it's easier to track down who might have been involved.



Other ways to figure out what's happening could include (depending on how you've set up the world):




  • Ritual circles put out a detectable energy for X distance that an instrument can pick up. If X is big enough, then you can set up detection stations and triangulate location, then cross match with the filed magic plans.


  • Ritual circles put out a detectable energy for X distance that a trained person can pick up. This would be similar to having police patrols looking for criminal activity, or could be used in surveillance when suspecting someone of illegal spells.


  • Ritual circles leave a detectable energy or mark on the ground/floor of the location where they occurred. It may or may not be possible to determine number of participants and/or length of time since the spell was cast. It may or may not be possible to determine the type of spell.


  • When someone has participated in a ritual circle, there is residue on their hands (or elsewhere), just like there is gunpowder residue on someone after firing a gun.



Unless you go all Harry Potter (the government immediately knows when an underage wizard performs any amount of magic outside of Hogwarts, but we never know how), your state will have to have detectives and police officers and courts to determine the illegal use of magic. You build a case using the evidence and testimony of victims or witnesses.






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    The state could have all magic users marked with a sigil when they enter the education system, and that sigil would flare when forbidden magics were being cast, and alert the authorities or, perhaps, a singular organisation that handles regulations for magics.



    Alternatively, you could have the state propagate the use of familiars (created through Transmogrifcation spells) and use them as a form of silent observers for any signs of forbidden magic. Of course the public wouldn't be aware the familiars are spies or radars, and the state could use propaganda to normalise the use of familiars from an early point in its history.






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      How can the state regulate magic and track the use of illegal spells when they are conducted by a mage?




      The same way they did in the Harry Potter books and movies when He Who Should Be Named overtook the Ministry of Magic. Use this:




      Scrying Spells – These are spells designed to allow a user to perceive in ways that go beyond his fve senses.







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        College of Mages



        Not everybody can be mages. In order to be one of them you must to complete several exams and show them that you are a trustworthy person. By this way, in order to be a magician you must to not cast illegal magic, otherwise, you lose your profession forever, maybe also your life.



        Academical Lock - Transmogrifcation



        When a new magician enters into the magical academy (or if magic is innate when they earn the magic permission) the magical police insert a transmogrifcation spell in their bodies. These spells forbid casters to use forbidden spells, either by will manipulation, intense pain, sickness or instant death.



        Oracle of Magic - Scrying



        Magic is like sunk water. Sunk water is motionless, static, powerless. When a magician(s) cast a spell they touch this water causing fluctuation or waves in the cosmos. Oracles of the magical police are able to detect this fluctuation using powerful and advanced scrying spells. Analysing the vibrations of that waves, they are able to determine the type of spell and if it's forbidden or not.



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        You modify these ideas. For example, if you don't have academies nor need permission for the government to cast magic you may build an immense tower in the capital of the kingdom which is always casting a powerful AOE (Area of Effect) spell in the entire kingdom forbidden caster to do dangerous magic. Or if you don't like having a powerful oracle maybe each mage, when entering into the academy or gain their permission, the police insert in their bodies a scrying spell... which in addition it could also track other things...



        Personally, I like the idea of having an immense tower which cast an enormous spell to detect every casted spell in the whole kingdom, and if one of them is forbidden, they automatically respond to casting magic or teleporting the magical police. Take into account that this tower has to be really cold or full o water if we follow your another question.






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          I have an interesting idea that I believe no one has mentioned (although we all seem to have the same idea of Scrying) which is to cast your tracking spell on the spells that are illegal. Given the following two definitions:




          • Scrying Spells – These are spells designed to allow a user to perceive in ways that go beyond his fve senses.

          • Protection Spells – These are spells designed to ward a user, object, or location against a variety of possible harms


          It seems reasonable to me that you could ward the actual spell, or if a spell isn't an object in the eyes of the Orlone maybe you could ward the combination of certain sigils which would produce the spell (this could also interestingly add false positives where someone casts a legal or newly created spell which contains the tracked combination of sigils but produces a different effect). By warding the spell and that using Scrying to detect when that ward is broken or triggered I imagine your government could have a good idea of when illegal spells are used, without having to use enormous amounts of energy to monitor all uses or the Orlone or restricting themselves to a specific area.






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            3 Keywords here:



            Scrying, Protection And Transmutation



            You basically need 2 things:



            1) A law than forbidds certain types of magic/spells



            2) A group designed to find and enforce that legal restrictions.



            For all of that you could have something like Magical Minority Report police force, they can:



            1) Have a main tower/base or several, where they continuosly scan the world/nation/provice/state/wherever in search of infractors using Scrying magic.



            2) Have in this main tower/base (or the several) some Protection spells maintained over the territory than absolutly prevents or at the very least resist (and hence, delay) the execution of any one of this forbidden magics.



            3) Have a group of Transmutation mages than basically alter space-time to allow the fast-travel of strike teams through portals to the places where this rituals are being executed.






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              The state casts a detection spell (would be categorized as a Scrying spell) over a big area (like the whole country) that detects illegal sigil sequences. Then they react based on the informations from the spell (location, the type of the spell cast, etc). Could be powered by something to keep it up for an indefinite time.






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                I suppose Orgone has a fabric over space-time. When someone casts a spell, there will be a temporary deficit of it, and some seconds are needed so that it can flow back from neighbouring areas. So any use of magic disrupts the fabric of Orgone.



                This disruption, while relatively subtle, can be detected by some power magic users, including mages employed by some sort of government agency. It can also be deduced by skill - although not necessarily with 100% probability - what kind of spell it was.






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                  1. Create a climate of fear surrounding magic use and magic users.



                    a. Make a big public show of sending troops to "less advanced" countries to help quell "magic insurgencies".



                    b. Encourage your media outlets to disproportionately report on crimes committed by magic users, or where magic use is suspected be sure to down play any other possibilities.



                    c. When a magic user is accused of a crime, the media should always treat them as an adult with a history of bad behaviour, regardless the facts. When nomajs commit crimes have them treated as innocents, caught up by bad circumstances.




                  2. Make magic users a lower class than nomajs



                    a. Magic users should be seen as savages. They attack their own. They seem to have a lack of self control. Look how many magic users there are in prison, in proportion to nomajs.



                    b. Magic users are a drain on resources. They are so destructive, even accidentally. Immigrant magic users use up the welfare system. They come here and take all the jobs. You have to tighten the borders to stop the bad ones getting in.



                    c. Most magic users who have jobs can only seem to get low paying jobs. They don't have the wherewithal to be socially mobile. It's their own fault for the state they are in.



                    d. Magic users are zoned into particular living areas. For their own protection, or course.



                  3. Reward people for reporting anything magic related that seems suspicious.







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                    You have a similar problem with your government regulating magic as any government has with regulating weapons. Even restricting education as suggested by @L. Dutch does not help on the long run, as studied mages can train their own students outside classical circles and not shackle them with an oath or provide an unmagical minion with bound artefacts or support from a familiar.



                    You will either require an oath without any loopholes which is incredibly hard to design. Torturing people or experimenting on them without magic, then healing them magically would completely fulfill the "only good magic" policy, yet it is truly destructive.



                    Prohibiting exploitation and missuse is almost impossible. Thus, you will require a magic police force, mainly relying on scrying magic to detect any missconduct. Then, you will likely need experts in all fields to investigate or counteract magic missdeeds.






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                    • There's a Harry Potter movie that features something like this. If I'm not mistaken, it's either The Goblet of Fire or The Order of the Phoenix. In the scene, a few good guys see a spell that's only casted by Death Eaters (a huge sign in the sky). They get the suspect's wand and cast a spell on it. This spell reveals that the wand was used to cast the sign in the sky. The scrying magic version of this could be cast on objects, people and places. Another ideia: the mage casts it in his eyes, for example, and can see things in a "magic spectrum", through which he can track the perpetrator.
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                    You have a similar problem with your government regulating magic as any government has with regulating weapons. Even restricting education as suggested by @L. Dutch does not help on the long run, as studied mages can train their own students outside classical circles and not shackle them with an oath or provide an unmagical minion with bound artefacts or support from a familiar.



                    You will either require an oath without any loopholes which is incredibly hard to design. Torturing people or experimenting on them without magic, then healing them magically would completely fulfill the "only good magic" policy, yet it is truly destructive.



                    Prohibiting exploitation and missuse is almost impossible. Thus, you will require a magic police force, mainly relying on scrying magic to detect any missconduct. Then, you will likely need experts in all fields to investigate or counteract magic missdeeds.






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                    • There's a Harry Potter movie that features something like this. If I'm not mistaken, it's either The Goblet of Fire or The Order of the Phoenix. In the scene, a few good guys see a spell that's only casted by Death Eaters (a huge sign in the sky). They get the suspect's wand and cast a spell on it. This spell reveals that the wand was used to cast the sign in the sky. The scrying magic version of this could be cast on objects, people and places. Another ideia: the mage casts it in his eyes, for example, and can see things in a "magic spectrum", through which he can track the perpetrator.
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                    You have a similar problem with your government regulating magic as any government has with regulating weapons. Even restricting education as suggested by @L. Dutch does not help on the long run, as studied mages can train their own students outside classical circles and not shackle them with an oath or provide an unmagical minion with bound artefacts or support from a familiar.



                    You will either require an oath without any loopholes which is incredibly hard to design. Torturing people or experimenting on them without magic, then healing them magically would completely fulfill the "only good magic" policy, yet it is truly destructive.



                    Prohibiting exploitation and missuse is almost impossible. Thus, you will require a magic police force, mainly relying on scrying magic to detect any missconduct. Then, you will likely need experts in all fields to investigate or counteract magic missdeeds.






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                    You have a similar problem with your government regulating magic as any government has with regulating weapons. Even restricting education as suggested by @L. Dutch does not help on the long run, as studied mages can train their own students outside classical circles and not shackle them with an oath or provide an unmagical minion with bound artefacts or support from a familiar.



                    You will either require an oath without any loopholes which is incredibly hard to design. Torturing people or experimenting on them without magic, then healing them magically would completely fulfill the "only good magic" policy, yet it is truly destructive.



                    Prohibiting exploitation and missuse is almost impossible. Thus, you will require a magic police force, mainly relying on scrying magic to detect any missconduct. Then, you will likely need experts in all fields to investigate or counteract magic missdeeds.







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                    • There's a Harry Potter movie that features something like this. If I'm not mistaken, it's either The Goblet of Fire or The Order of the Phoenix. In the scene, a few good guys see a spell that's only casted by Death Eaters (a huge sign in the sky). They get the suspect's wand and cast a spell on it. This spell reveals that the wand was used to cast the sign in the sky. The scrying magic version of this could be cast on objects, people and places. Another ideia: the mage casts it in his eyes, for example, and can see things in a "magic spectrum", through which he can track the perpetrator.
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                    • There's a Harry Potter movie that features something like this. If I'm not mistaken, it's either The Goblet of Fire or The Order of the Phoenix. In the scene, a few good guys see a spell that's only casted by Death Eaters (a huge sign in the sky). They get the suspect's wand and cast a spell on it. This spell reveals that the wand was used to cast the sign in the sky. The scrying magic version of this could be cast on objects, people and places. Another ideia: the mage casts it in his eyes, for example, and can see things in a "magic spectrum", through which he can track the perpetrator.
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                    There's a Harry Potter movie that features something like this. If I'm not mistaken, it's either The Goblet of Fire or The Order of the Phoenix. In the scene, a few good guys see a spell that's only casted by Death Eaters (a huge sign in the sky). They get the suspect's wand and cast a spell on it. This spell reveals that the wand was used to cast the sign in the sky. The scrying magic version of this could be cast on objects, people and places. Another ideia: the mage casts it in his eyes, for example, and can see things in a "magic spectrum", through which he can track the perpetrator.
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                    There's a Harry Potter movie that features something like this. If I'm not mistaken, it's either The Goblet of Fire or The Order of the Phoenix. In the scene, a few good guys see a spell that's only casted by Death Eaters (a huge sign in the sky). They get the suspect's wand and cast a spell on it. This spell reveals that the wand was used to cast the sign in the sky. The scrying magic version of this could be cast on objects, people and places. Another ideia: the mage casts it in his eyes, for example, and can see things in a "magic spectrum", through which he can track the perpetrator.
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                    Create a professional order of the authorized mages, and allow the profession only to those who are member of the order. Membership of the order comes with the oath to perform only legal magic.



                    In this way the government, whenever some magic is performed, can first check if the performer was or not allowed to perform magic at all, and then if the performed magic was legal or not.



                    The order can also develop means to detect when magic is performed, to act in a more proactive way with law enforcement.






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                    Create a professional order of the authorized mages, and allow the profession only to those who are member of the order. Membership of the order comes with the oath to perform only legal magic.



                    In this way the government, whenever some magic is performed, can first check if the performer was or not allowed to perform magic at all, and then if the performed magic was legal or not.



                    The order can also develop means to detect when magic is performed, to act in a more proactive way with law enforcement.






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                    • Sounds a lot like Cowled Wizards in Baldur's Gate 2 :)
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                    Create a professional order of the authorized mages, and allow the profession only to those who are member of the order. Membership of the order comes with the oath to perform only legal magic.



                    In this way the government, whenever some magic is performed, can first check if the performer was or not allowed to perform magic at all, and then if the performed magic was legal or not.



                    The order can also develop means to detect when magic is performed, to act in a more proactive way with law enforcement.






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                    Create a professional order of the authorized mages, and allow the profession only to those who are member of the order. Membership of the order comes with the oath to perform only legal magic.



                    In this way the government, whenever some magic is performed, can first check if the performer was or not allowed to perform magic at all, and then if the performed magic was legal or not.



                    The order can also develop means to detect when magic is performed, to act in a more proactive way with law enforcement.







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                    • Sounds a lot like Cowled Wizards in Baldur's Gate 2 :)
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                    • Sounds a lot like Cowled Wizards in Baldur's Gate 2 :)
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                    Sounds a lot like Cowled Wizards in Baldur's Gate 2 :)
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                    Sounds a lot like Cowled Wizards in Baldur's Gate 2 :)
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                    All ritual circle sessions must be registered



                    Since every spell requires a ritual circle and takes "30 minutes to several hours depending on the spell," magic is not something one can do spontaneously or unknowingly.



                    Think of it like registering a flight plan. Whether you pilot a commercial airliner or you own a tiny plane, you need to create and submit a flight plan before every flight. It's not hard to do. The fact that one flight might be solo to the next county and another might have 3 passengers to 3 states over is fine. You just create a new one each time.



                    Same with magic. Just a quick report with the names of the participants, the primary spellworker, and the type and purpose of the spell.




                    • It's illegal to perform magic without registering the circle first.


                    • It's illegal to lie about the participants (last minute changes are okay as long as you amend the report within 24 hours).


                    • It's illegal to do certain spells and therefore illegal to lie about the kind of spell you're doing.



                    This doesn't immediately solve the problem of tracking down illegal magic, but it makes it worlds easier. Any unreported ritual circle is immediately suspect and investigated. Some will just have mild fines for forgetting to file, but others will turn out to have been illegal. Any report with a discrepancy gets investigated. And if there is a crime report later, it's easier to track down who might have been involved.



                    Other ways to figure out what's happening could include (depending on how you've set up the world):




                    • Ritual circles put out a detectable energy for X distance that an instrument can pick up. If X is big enough, then you can set up detection stations and triangulate location, then cross match with the filed magic plans.


                    • Ritual circles put out a detectable energy for X distance that a trained person can pick up. This would be similar to having police patrols looking for criminal activity, or could be used in surveillance when suspecting someone of illegal spells.


                    • Ritual circles leave a detectable energy or mark on the ground/floor of the location where they occurred. It may or may not be possible to determine number of participants and/or length of time since the spell was cast. It may or may not be possible to determine the type of spell.


                    • When someone has participated in a ritual circle, there is residue on their hands (or elsewhere), just like there is gunpowder residue on someone after firing a gun.



                    Unless you go all Harry Potter (the government immediately knows when an underage wizard performs any amount of magic outside of Hogwarts, but we never know how), your state will have to have detectives and police officers and courts to determine the illegal use of magic. You build a case using the evidence and testimony of victims or witnesses.






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                      All ritual circle sessions must be registered



                      Since every spell requires a ritual circle and takes "30 minutes to several hours depending on the spell," magic is not something one can do spontaneously or unknowingly.



                      Think of it like registering a flight plan. Whether you pilot a commercial airliner or you own a tiny plane, you need to create and submit a flight plan before every flight. It's not hard to do. The fact that one flight might be solo to the next county and another might have 3 passengers to 3 states over is fine. You just create a new one each time.



                      Same with magic. Just a quick report with the names of the participants, the primary spellworker, and the type and purpose of the spell.




                      • It's illegal to perform magic without registering the circle first.


                      • It's illegal to lie about the participants (last minute changes are okay as long as you amend the report within 24 hours).


                      • It's illegal to do certain spells and therefore illegal to lie about the kind of spell you're doing.



                      This doesn't immediately solve the problem of tracking down illegal magic, but it makes it worlds easier. Any unreported ritual circle is immediately suspect and investigated. Some will just have mild fines for forgetting to file, but others will turn out to have been illegal. Any report with a discrepancy gets investigated. And if there is a crime report later, it's easier to track down who might have been involved.



                      Other ways to figure out what's happening could include (depending on how you've set up the world):




                      • Ritual circles put out a detectable energy for X distance that an instrument can pick up. If X is big enough, then you can set up detection stations and triangulate location, then cross match with the filed magic plans.


                      • Ritual circles put out a detectable energy for X distance that a trained person can pick up. This would be similar to having police patrols looking for criminal activity, or could be used in surveillance when suspecting someone of illegal spells.


                      • Ritual circles leave a detectable energy or mark on the ground/floor of the location where they occurred. It may or may not be possible to determine number of participants and/or length of time since the spell was cast. It may or may not be possible to determine the type of spell.


                      • When someone has participated in a ritual circle, there is residue on their hands (or elsewhere), just like there is gunpowder residue on someone after firing a gun.



                      Unless you go all Harry Potter (the government immediately knows when an underage wizard performs any amount of magic outside of Hogwarts, but we never know how), your state will have to have detectives and police officers and courts to determine the illegal use of magic. You build a case using the evidence and testimony of victims or witnesses.






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                        All ritual circle sessions must be registered



                        Since every spell requires a ritual circle and takes "30 minutes to several hours depending on the spell," magic is not something one can do spontaneously or unknowingly.



                        Think of it like registering a flight plan. Whether you pilot a commercial airliner or you own a tiny plane, you need to create and submit a flight plan before every flight. It's not hard to do. The fact that one flight might be solo to the next county and another might have 3 passengers to 3 states over is fine. You just create a new one each time.



                        Same with magic. Just a quick report with the names of the participants, the primary spellworker, and the type and purpose of the spell.




                        • It's illegal to perform magic without registering the circle first.


                        • It's illegal to lie about the participants (last minute changes are okay as long as you amend the report within 24 hours).


                        • It's illegal to do certain spells and therefore illegal to lie about the kind of spell you're doing.



                        This doesn't immediately solve the problem of tracking down illegal magic, but it makes it worlds easier. Any unreported ritual circle is immediately suspect and investigated. Some will just have mild fines for forgetting to file, but others will turn out to have been illegal. Any report with a discrepancy gets investigated. And if there is a crime report later, it's easier to track down who might have been involved.



                        Other ways to figure out what's happening could include (depending on how you've set up the world):




                        • Ritual circles put out a detectable energy for X distance that an instrument can pick up. If X is big enough, then you can set up detection stations and triangulate location, then cross match with the filed magic plans.


                        • Ritual circles put out a detectable energy for X distance that a trained person can pick up. This would be similar to having police patrols looking for criminal activity, or could be used in surveillance when suspecting someone of illegal spells.


                        • Ritual circles leave a detectable energy or mark on the ground/floor of the location where they occurred. It may or may not be possible to determine number of participants and/or length of time since the spell was cast. It may or may not be possible to determine the type of spell.


                        • When someone has participated in a ritual circle, there is residue on their hands (or elsewhere), just like there is gunpowder residue on someone after firing a gun.



                        Unless you go all Harry Potter (the government immediately knows when an underage wizard performs any amount of magic outside of Hogwarts, but we never know how), your state will have to have detectives and police officers and courts to determine the illegal use of magic. You build a case using the evidence and testimony of victims or witnesses.






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                        All ritual circle sessions must be registered



                        Since every spell requires a ritual circle and takes "30 minutes to several hours depending on the spell," magic is not something one can do spontaneously or unknowingly.



                        Think of it like registering a flight plan. Whether you pilot a commercial airliner or you own a tiny plane, you need to create and submit a flight plan before every flight. It's not hard to do. The fact that one flight might be solo to the next county and another might have 3 passengers to 3 states over is fine. You just create a new one each time.



                        Same with magic. Just a quick report with the names of the participants, the primary spellworker, and the type and purpose of the spell.




                        • It's illegal to perform magic without registering the circle first.


                        • It's illegal to lie about the participants (last minute changes are okay as long as you amend the report within 24 hours).


                        • It's illegal to do certain spells and therefore illegal to lie about the kind of spell you're doing.



                        This doesn't immediately solve the problem of tracking down illegal magic, but it makes it worlds easier. Any unreported ritual circle is immediately suspect and investigated. Some will just have mild fines for forgetting to file, but others will turn out to have been illegal. Any report with a discrepancy gets investigated. And if there is a crime report later, it's easier to track down who might have been involved.



                        Other ways to figure out what's happening could include (depending on how you've set up the world):




                        • Ritual circles put out a detectable energy for X distance that an instrument can pick up. If X is big enough, then you can set up detection stations and triangulate location, then cross match with the filed magic plans.


                        • Ritual circles put out a detectable energy for X distance that a trained person can pick up. This would be similar to having police patrols looking for criminal activity, or could be used in surveillance when suspecting someone of illegal spells.


                        • Ritual circles leave a detectable energy or mark on the ground/floor of the location where they occurred. It may or may not be possible to determine number of participants and/or length of time since the spell was cast. It may or may not be possible to determine the type of spell.


                        • When someone has participated in a ritual circle, there is residue on their hands (or elsewhere), just like there is gunpowder residue on someone after firing a gun.



                        Unless you go all Harry Potter (the government immediately knows when an underage wizard performs any amount of magic outside of Hogwarts, but we never know how), your state will have to have detectives and police officers and courts to determine the illegal use of magic. You build a case using the evidence and testimony of victims or witnesses.







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                            The state could have all magic users marked with a sigil when they enter the education system, and that sigil would flare when forbidden magics were being cast, and alert the authorities or, perhaps, a singular organisation that handles regulations for magics.



                            Alternatively, you could have the state propagate the use of familiars (created through Transmogrifcation spells) and use them as a form of silent observers for any signs of forbidden magic. Of course the public wouldn't be aware the familiars are spies or radars, and the state could use propaganda to normalise the use of familiars from an early point in its history.






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                              The state could have all magic users marked with a sigil when they enter the education system, and that sigil would flare when forbidden magics were being cast, and alert the authorities or, perhaps, a singular organisation that handles regulations for magics.



                              Alternatively, you could have the state propagate the use of familiars (created through Transmogrifcation spells) and use them as a form of silent observers for any signs of forbidden magic. Of course the public wouldn't be aware the familiars are spies or radars, and the state could use propaganda to normalise the use of familiars from an early point in its history.






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                                The state could have all magic users marked with a sigil when they enter the education system, and that sigil would flare when forbidden magics were being cast, and alert the authorities or, perhaps, a singular organisation that handles regulations for magics.



                                Alternatively, you could have the state propagate the use of familiars (created through Transmogrifcation spells) and use them as a form of silent observers for any signs of forbidden magic. Of course the public wouldn't be aware the familiars are spies or radars, and the state could use propaganda to normalise the use of familiars from an early point in its history.






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                                The state could have all magic users marked with a sigil when they enter the education system, and that sigil would flare when forbidden magics were being cast, and alert the authorities or, perhaps, a singular organisation that handles regulations for magics.



                                Alternatively, you could have the state propagate the use of familiars (created through Transmogrifcation spells) and use them as a form of silent observers for any signs of forbidden magic. Of course the public wouldn't be aware the familiars are spies or radars, and the state could use propaganda to normalise the use of familiars from an early point in its history.







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                                    How can the state regulate magic and track the use of illegal spells when they are conducted by a mage?




                                    The same way they did in the Harry Potter books and movies when He Who Should Be Named overtook the Ministry of Magic. Use this:




                                    Scrying Spells – These are spells designed to allow a user to perceive in ways that go beyond his fve senses.







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                                      How can the state regulate magic and track the use of illegal spells when they are conducted by a mage?




                                      The same way they did in the Harry Potter books and movies when He Who Should Be Named overtook the Ministry of Magic. Use this:




                                      Scrying Spells – These are spells designed to allow a user to perceive in ways that go beyond his fve senses.







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                                        How can the state regulate magic and track the use of illegal spells when they are conducted by a mage?




                                        The same way they did in the Harry Potter books and movies when He Who Should Be Named overtook the Ministry of Magic. Use this:




                                        Scrying Spells – These are spells designed to allow a user to perceive in ways that go beyond his fve senses.







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                                        How can the state regulate magic and track the use of illegal spells when they are conducted by a mage?




                                        The same way they did in the Harry Potter books and movies when He Who Should Be Named overtook the Ministry of Magic. Use this:




                                        Scrying Spells – These are spells designed to allow a user to perceive in ways that go beyond his fve senses.








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                                            College of Mages



                                            Not everybody can be mages. In order to be one of them you must to complete several exams and show them that you are a trustworthy person. By this way, in order to be a magician you must to not cast illegal magic, otherwise, you lose your profession forever, maybe also your life.



                                            Academical Lock - Transmogrifcation



                                            When a new magician enters into the magical academy (or if magic is innate when they earn the magic permission) the magical police insert a transmogrifcation spell in their bodies. These spells forbid casters to use forbidden spells, either by will manipulation, intense pain, sickness or instant death.



                                            Oracle of Magic - Scrying



                                            Magic is like sunk water. Sunk water is motionless, static, powerless. When a magician(s) cast a spell they touch this water causing fluctuation or waves in the cosmos. Oracles of the magical police are able to detect this fluctuation using powerful and advanced scrying spells. Analysing the vibrations of that waves, they are able to determine the type of spell and if it's forbidden or not.



                                            Additions



                                            You modify these ideas. For example, if you don't have academies nor need permission for the government to cast magic you may build an immense tower in the capital of the kingdom which is always casting a powerful AOE (Area of Effect) spell in the entire kingdom forbidden caster to do dangerous magic. Or if you don't like having a powerful oracle maybe each mage, when entering into the academy or gain their permission, the police insert in their bodies a scrying spell... which in addition it could also track other things...



                                            Personally, I like the idea of having an immense tower which cast an enormous spell to detect every casted spell in the whole kingdom, and if one of them is forbidden, they automatically respond to casting magic or teleporting the magical police. Take into account that this tower has to be really cold or full o water if we follow your another question.






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                                              College of Mages



                                              Not everybody can be mages. In order to be one of them you must to complete several exams and show them that you are a trustworthy person. By this way, in order to be a magician you must to not cast illegal magic, otherwise, you lose your profession forever, maybe also your life.



                                              Academical Lock - Transmogrifcation



                                              When a new magician enters into the magical academy (or if magic is innate when they earn the magic permission) the magical police insert a transmogrifcation spell in their bodies. These spells forbid casters to use forbidden spells, either by will manipulation, intense pain, sickness or instant death.



                                              Oracle of Magic - Scrying



                                              Magic is like sunk water. Sunk water is motionless, static, powerless. When a magician(s) cast a spell they touch this water causing fluctuation or waves in the cosmos. Oracles of the magical police are able to detect this fluctuation using powerful and advanced scrying spells. Analysing the vibrations of that waves, they are able to determine the type of spell and if it's forbidden or not.



                                              Additions



                                              You modify these ideas. For example, if you don't have academies nor need permission for the government to cast magic you may build an immense tower in the capital of the kingdom which is always casting a powerful AOE (Area of Effect) spell in the entire kingdom forbidden caster to do dangerous magic. Or if you don't like having a powerful oracle maybe each mage, when entering into the academy or gain their permission, the police insert in their bodies a scrying spell... which in addition it could also track other things...



                                              Personally, I like the idea of having an immense tower which cast an enormous spell to detect every casted spell in the whole kingdom, and if one of them is forbidden, they automatically respond to casting magic or teleporting the magical police. Take into account that this tower has to be really cold or full o water if we follow your another question.






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                                                College of Mages



                                                Not everybody can be mages. In order to be one of them you must to complete several exams and show them that you are a trustworthy person. By this way, in order to be a magician you must to not cast illegal magic, otherwise, you lose your profession forever, maybe also your life.



                                                Academical Lock - Transmogrifcation



                                                When a new magician enters into the magical academy (or if magic is innate when they earn the magic permission) the magical police insert a transmogrifcation spell in their bodies. These spells forbid casters to use forbidden spells, either by will manipulation, intense pain, sickness or instant death.



                                                Oracle of Magic - Scrying



                                                Magic is like sunk water. Sunk water is motionless, static, powerless. When a magician(s) cast a spell they touch this water causing fluctuation or waves in the cosmos. Oracles of the magical police are able to detect this fluctuation using powerful and advanced scrying spells. Analysing the vibrations of that waves, they are able to determine the type of spell and if it's forbidden or not.



                                                Additions



                                                You modify these ideas. For example, if you don't have academies nor need permission for the government to cast magic you may build an immense tower in the capital of the kingdom which is always casting a powerful AOE (Area of Effect) spell in the entire kingdom forbidden caster to do dangerous magic. Or if you don't like having a powerful oracle maybe each mage, when entering into the academy or gain their permission, the police insert in their bodies a scrying spell... which in addition it could also track other things...



                                                Personally, I like the idea of having an immense tower which cast an enormous spell to detect every casted spell in the whole kingdom, and if one of them is forbidden, they automatically respond to casting magic or teleporting the magical police. Take into account that this tower has to be really cold or full o water if we follow your another question.






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                                                College of Mages



                                                Not everybody can be mages. In order to be one of them you must to complete several exams and show them that you are a trustworthy person. By this way, in order to be a magician you must to not cast illegal magic, otherwise, you lose your profession forever, maybe also your life.



                                                Academical Lock - Transmogrifcation



                                                When a new magician enters into the magical academy (or if magic is innate when they earn the magic permission) the magical police insert a transmogrifcation spell in their bodies. These spells forbid casters to use forbidden spells, either by will manipulation, intense pain, sickness or instant death.



                                                Oracle of Magic - Scrying



                                                Magic is like sunk water. Sunk water is motionless, static, powerless. When a magician(s) cast a spell they touch this water causing fluctuation or waves in the cosmos. Oracles of the magical police are able to detect this fluctuation using powerful and advanced scrying spells. Analysing the vibrations of that waves, they are able to determine the type of spell and if it's forbidden or not.



                                                Additions



                                                You modify these ideas. For example, if you don't have academies nor need permission for the government to cast magic you may build an immense tower in the capital of the kingdom which is always casting a powerful AOE (Area of Effect) spell in the entire kingdom forbidden caster to do dangerous magic. Or if you don't like having a powerful oracle maybe each mage, when entering into the academy or gain their permission, the police insert in their bodies a scrying spell... which in addition it could also track other things...



                                                Personally, I like the idea of having an immense tower which cast an enormous spell to detect every casted spell in the whole kingdom, and if one of them is forbidden, they automatically respond to casting magic or teleporting the magical police. Take into account that this tower has to be really cold or full o water if we follow your another question.







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                                                    I have an interesting idea that I believe no one has mentioned (although we all seem to have the same idea of Scrying) which is to cast your tracking spell on the spells that are illegal. Given the following two definitions:




                                                    • Scrying Spells – These are spells designed to allow a user to perceive in ways that go beyond his fve senses.

                                                    • Protection Spells – These are spells designed to ward a user, object, or location against a variety of possible harms


                                                    It seems reasonable to me that you could ward the actual spell, or if a spell isn't an object in the eyes of the Orlone maybe you could ward the combination of certain sigils which would produce the spell (this could also interestingly add false positives where someone casts a legal or newly created spell which contains the tracked combination of sigils but produces a different effect). By warding the spell and that using Scrying to detect when that ward is broken or triggered I imagine your government could have a good idea of when illegal spells are used, without having to use enormous amounts of energy to monitor all uses or the Orlone or restricting themselves to a specific area.






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                                                      I have an interesting idea that I believe no one has mentioned (although we all seem to have the same idea of Scrying) which is to cast your tracking spell on the spells that are illegal. Given the following two definitions:




                                                      • Scrying Spells – These are spells designed to allow a user to perceive in ways that go beyond his fve senses.

                                                      • Protection Spells – These are spells designed to ward a user, object, or location against a variety of possible harms


                                                      It seems reasonable to me that you could ward the actual spell, or if a spell isn't an object in the eyes of the Orlone maybe you could ward the combination of certain sigils which would produce the spell (this could also interestingly add false positives where someone casts a legal or newly created spell which contains the tracked combination of sigils but produces a different effect). By warding the spell and that using Scrying to detect when that ward is broken or triggered I imagine your government could have a good idea of when illegal spells are used, without having to use enormous amounts of energy to monitor all uses or the Orlone or restricting themselves to a specific area.






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                                                        I have an interesting idea that I believe no one has mentioned (although we all seem to have the same idea of Scrying) which is to cast your tracking spell on the spells that are illegal. Given the following two definitions:




                                                        • Scrying Spells – These are spells designed to allow a user to perceive in ways that go beyond his fve senses.

                                                        • Protection Spells – These are spells designed to ward a user, object, or location against a variety of possible harms


                                                        It seems reasonable to me that you could ward the actual spell, or if a spell isn't an object in the eyes of the Orlone maybe you could ward the combination of certain sigils which would produce the spell (this could also interestingly add false positives where someone casts a legal or newly created spell which contains the tracked combination of sigils but produces a different effect). By warding the spell and that using Scrying to detect when that ward is broken or triggered I imagine your government could have a good idea of when illegal spells are used, without having to use enormous amounts of energy to monitor all uses or the Orlone or restricting themselves to a specific area.






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                                                        I have an interesting idea that I believe no one has mentioned (although we all seem to have the same idea of Scrying) which is to cast your tracking spell on the spells that are illegal. Given the following two definitions:




                                                        • Scrying Spells – These are spells designed to allow a user to perceive in ways that go beyond his fve senses.

                                                        • Protection Spells – These are spells designed to ward a user, object, or location against a variety of possible harms


                                                        It seems reasonable to me that you could ward the actual spell, or if a spell isn't an object in the eyes of the Orlone maybe you could ward the combination of certain sigils which would produce the spell (this could also interestingly add false positives where someone casts a legal or newly created spell which contains the tracked combination of sigils but produces a different effect). By warding the spell and that using Scrying to detect when that ward is broken or triggered I imagine your government could have a good idea of when illegal spells are used, without having to use enormous amounts of energy to monitor all uses or the Orlone or restricting themselves to a specific area.







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                                                            Scrying, Protection And Transmutation



                                                            You basically need 2 things:



                                                            1) A law than forbidds certain types of magic/spells



                                                            2) A group designed to find and enforce that legal restrictions.



                                                            For all of that you could have something like Magical Minority Report police force, they can:



                                                            1) Have a main tower/base or several, where they continuosly scan the world/nation/provice/state/wherever in search of infractors using Scrying magic.



                                                            2) Have in this main tower/base (or the several) some Protection spells maintained over the territory than absolutly prevents or at the very least resist (and hence, delay) the execution of any one of this forbidden magics.



                                                            3) Have a group of Transmutation mages than basically alter space-time to allow the fast-travel of strike teams through portals to the places where this rituals are being executed.






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                                                              Scrying, Protection And Transmutation



                                                              You basically need 2 things:



                                                              1) A law than forbidds certain types of magic/spells



                                                              2) A group designed to find and enforce that legal restrictions.



                                                              For all of that you could have something like Magical Minority Report police force, they can:



                                                              1) Have a main tower/base or several, where they continuosly scan the world/nation/provice/state/wherever in search of infractors using Scrying magic.



                                                              2) Have in this main tower/base (or the several) some Protection spells maintained over the territory than absolutly prevents or at the very least resist (and hence, delay) the execution of any one of this forbidden magics.



                                                              3) Have a group of Transmutation mages than basically alter space-time to allow the fast-travel of strike teams through portals to the places where this rituals are being executed.






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                                                                Scrying, Protection And Transmutation



                                                                You basically need 2 things:



                                                                1) A law than forbidds certain types of magic/spells



                                                                2) A group designed to find and enforce that legal restrictions.



                                                                For all of that you could have something like Magical Minority Report police force, they can:



                                                                1) Have a main tower/base or several, where they continuosly scan the world/nation/provice/state/wherever in search of infractors using Scrying magic.



                                                                2) Have in this main tower/base (or the several) some Protection spells maintained over the territory than absolutly prevents or at the very least resist (and hence, delay) the execution of any one of this forbidden magics.



                                                                3) Have a group of Transmutation mages than basically alter space-time to allow the fast-travel of strike teams through portals to the places where this rituals are being executed.






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                                                                Scrying, Protection And Transmutation



                                                                You basically need 2 things:



                                                                1) A law than forbidds certain types of magic/spells



                                                                2) A group designed to find and enforce that legal restrictions.



                                                                For all of that you could have something like Magical Minority Report police force, they can:



                                                                1) Have a main tower/base or several, where they continuosly scan the world/nation/provice/state/wherever in search of infractors using Scrying magic.



                                                                2) Have in this main tower/base (or the several) some Protection spells maintained over the territory than absolutly prevents or at the very least resist (and hence, delay) the execution of any one of this forbidden magics.



                                                                3) Have a group of Transmutation mages than basically alter space-time to allow the fast-travel of strike teams through portals to the places where this rituals are being executed.







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                                                                    The state casts a detection spell (would be categorized as a Scrying spell) over a big area (like the whole country) that detects illegal sigil sequences. Then they react based on the informations from the spell (location, the type of the spell cast, etc). Could be powered by something to keep it up for an indefinite time.






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                                                                      The state casts a detection spell (would be categorized as a Scrying spell) over a big area (like the whole country) that detects illegal sigil sequences. Then they react based on the informations from the spell (location, the type of the spell cast, etc). Could be powered by something to keep it up for an indefinite time.






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                                                                        The state casts a detection spell (would be categorized as a Scrying spell) over a big area (like the whole country) that detects illegal sigil sequences. Then they react based on the informations from the spell (location, the type of the spell cast, etc). Could be powered by something to keep it up for an indefinite time.






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                                                                        The state casts a detection spell (would be categorized as a Scrying spell) over a big area (like the whole country) that detects illegal sigil sequences. Then they react based on the informations from the spell (location, the type of the spell cast, etc). Could be powered by something to keep it up for an indefinite time.







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                                                                            I suppose Orgone has a fabric over space-time. When someone casts a spell, there will be a temporary deficit of it, and some seconds are needed so that it can flow back from neighbouring areas. So any use of magic disrupts the fabric of Orgone.



                                                                            This disruption, while relatively subtle, can be detected by some power magic users, including mages employed by some sort of government agency. It can also be deduced by skill - although not necessarily with 100% probability - what kind of spell it was.






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                                                                              I suppose Orgone has a fabric over space-time. When someone casts a spell, there will be a temporary deficit of it, and some seconds are needed so that it can flow back from neighbouring areas. So any use of magic disrupts the fabric of Orgone.



                                                                              This disruption, while relatively subtle, can be detected by some power magic users, including mages employed by some sort of government agency. It can also be deduced by skill - although not necessarily with 100% probability - what kind of spell it was.






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                                                                                I suppose Orgone has a fabric over space-time. When someone casts a spell, there will be a temporary deficit of it, and some seconds are needed so that it can flow back from neighbouring areas. So any use of magic disrupts the fabric of Orgone.



                                                                                This disruption, while relatively subtle, can be detected by some power magic users, including mages employed by some sort of government agency. It can also be deduced by skill - although not necessarily with 100% probability - what kind of spell it was.






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                                                                                I suppose Orgone has a fabric over space-time. When someone casts a spell, there will be a temporary deficit of it, and some seconds are needed so that it can flow back from neighbouring areas. So any use of magic disrupts the fabric of Orgone.



                                                                                This disruption, while relatively subtle, can be detected by some power magic users, including mages employed by some sort of government agency. It can also be deduced by skill - although not necessarily with 100% probability - what kind of spell it was.







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                                                                                    1. Create a climate of fear surrounding magic use and magic users.



                                                                                      a. Make a big public show of sending troops to "less advanced" countries to help quell "magic insurgencies".



                                                                                      b. Encourage your media outlets to disproportionately report on crimes committed by magic users, or where magic use is suspected be sure to down play any other possibilities.



                                                                                      c. When a magic user is accused of a crime, the media should always treat them as an adult with a history of bad behaviour, regardless the facts. When nomajs commit crimes have them treated as innocents, caught up by bad circumstances.




                                                                                    2. Make magic users a lower class than nomajs



                                                                                      a. Magic users should be seen as savages. They attack their own. They seem to have a lack of self control. Look how many magic users there are in prison, in proportion to nomajs.



                                                                                      b. Magic users are a drain on resources. They are so destructive, even accidentally. Immigrant magic users use up the welfare system. They come here and take all the jobs. You have to tighten the borders to stop the bad ones getting in.



                                                                                      c. Most magic users who have jobs can only seem to get low paying jobs. They don't have the wherewithal to be socially mobile. It's their own fault for the state they are in.



                                                                                      d. Magic users are zoned into particular living areas. For their own protection, or course.



                                                                                    3. Reward people for reporting anything magic related that seems suspicious.







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                                                                                      1. Create a climate of fear surrounding magic use and magic users.



                                                                                        a. Make a big public show of sending troops to "less advanced" countries to help quell "magic insurgencies".



                                                                                        b. Encourage your media outlets to disproportionately report on crimes committed by magic users, or where magic use is suspected be sure to down play any other possibilities.



                                                                                        c. When a magic user is accused of a crime, the media should always treat them as an adult with a history of bad behaviour, regardless the facts. When nomajs commit crimes have them treated as innocents, caught up by bad circumstances.




                                                                                      2. Make magic users a lower class than nomajs



                                                                                        a. Magic users should be seen as savages. They attack their own. They seem to have a lack of self control. Look how many magic users there are in prison, in proportion to nomajs.



                                                                                        b. Magic users are a drain on resources. They are so destructive, even accidentally. Immigrant magic users use up the welfare system. They come here and take all the jobs. You have to tighten the borders to stop the bad ones getting in.



                                                                                        c. Most magic users who have jobs can only seem to get low paying jobs. They don't have the wherewithal to be socially mobile. It's their own fault for the state they are in.



                                                                                        d. Magic users are zoned into particular living areas. For their own protection, or course.



                                                                                      3. Reward people for reporting anything magic related that seems suspicious.







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                                                                                        1. Create a climate of fear surrounding magic use and magic users.



                                                                                          a. Make a big public show of sending troops to "less advanced" countries to help quell "magic insurgencies".



                                                                                          b. Encourage your media outlets to disproportionately report on crimes committed by magic users, or where magic use is suspected be sure to down play any other possibilities.



                                                                                          c. When a magic user is accused of a crime, the media should always treat them as an adult with a history of bad behaviour, regardless the facts. When nomajs commit crimes have them treated as innocents, caught up by bad circumstances.




                                                                                        2. Make magic users a lower class than nomajs



                                                                                          a. Magic users should be seen as savages. They attack their own. They seem to have a lack of self control. Look how many magic users there are in prison, in proportion to nomajs.



                                                                                          b. Magic users are a drain on resources. They are so destructive, even accidentally. Immigrant magic users use up the welfare system. They come here and take all the jobs. You have to tighten the borders to stop the bad ones getting in.



                                                                                          c. Most magic users who have jobs can only seem to get low paying jobs. They don't have the wherewithal to be socially mobile. It's their own fault for the state they are in.



                                                                                          d. Magic users are zoned into particular living areas. For their own protection, or course.



                                                                                        3. Reward people for reporting anything magic related that seems suspicious.







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                                                                                        1. Create a climate of fear surrounding magic use and magic users.



                                                                                          a. Make a big public show of sending troops to "less advanced" countries to help quell "magic insurgencies".



                                                                                          b. Encourage your media outlets to disproportionately report on crimes committed by magic users, or where magic use is suspected be sure to down play any other possibilities.



                                                                                          c. When a magic user is accused of a crime, the media should always treat them as an adult with a history of bad behaviour, regardless the facts. When nomajs commit crimes have them treated as innocents, caught up by bad circumstances.




                                                                                        2. Make magic users a lower class than nomajs



                                                                                          a. Magic users should be seen as savages. They attack their own. They seem to have a lack of self control. Look how many magic users there are in prison, in proportion to nomajs.



                                                                                          b. Magic users are a drain on resources. They are so destructive, even accidentally. Immigrant magic users use up the welfare system. They come here and take all the jobs. You have to tighten the borders to stop the bad ones getting in.



                                                                                          c. Most magic users who have jobs can only seem to get low paying jobs. They don't have the wherewithal to be socially mobile. It's their own fault for the state they are in.



                                                                                          d. Magic users are zoned into particular living areas. For their own protection, or course.



                                                                                        3. Reward people for reporting anything magic related that seems suspicious.








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