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I have the following problem:




  • If today is a sunny day, a probability that it will rain tomorrow is $0.2$.

  • If today is a rainy day, a probability that it will be sunny tomorrow is $0.4$.


I need to find the probability that if it's rainy on the third of May, it will also rain on the third of June.



My initial idea was to write a program that will create the binary tree with all possible combinations and then I just traverse through all of them and sum the probabilities accordingly, but unfortunately, I have to do this by hand, so any help is very welcome.










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    You can diagonalize the transition matrix and raise it to the desired power.
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    It is easy to compute the limiting probabilities...you might imagine that $30$ days (or whatever) is long enough for the probabilities to be in their limiting state. Running it quickly on a spreadsheet, it looks like they get to the limit much quicker than that.
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I have the following problem:




  • If today is a sunny day, a probability that it will rain tomorrow is $0.2$.

  • If today is a rainy day, a probability that it will be sunny tomorrow is $0.4$.


I need to find the probability that if it's rainy on the third of May, it will also rain on the third of June.



My initial idea was to write a program that will create the binary tree with all possible combinations and then I just traverse through all of them and sum the probabilities accordingly, but unfortunately, I have to do this by hand, so any help is very welcome.










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    You can diagonalize the transition matrix and raise it to the desired power.
    – SmileyCraft
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    It is easy to compute the limiting probabilities...you might imagine that $30$ days (or whatever) is long enough for the probabilities to be in their limiting state. Running it quickly on a spreadsheet, it looks like they get to the limit much quicker than that.
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I have the following problem:




  • If today is a sunny day, a probability that it will rain tomorrow is $0.2$.

  • If today is a rainy day, a probability that it will be sunny tomorrow is $0.4$.


I need to find the probability that if it's rainy on the third of May, it will also rain on the third of June.



My initial idea was to write a program that will create the binary tree with all possible combinations and then I just traverse through all of them and sum the probabilities accordingly, but unfortunately, I have to do this by hand, so any help is very welcome.










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I have the following problem:




  • If today is a sunny day, a probability that it will rain tomorrow is $0.2$.

  • If today is a rainy day, a probability that it will be sunny tomorrow is $0.4$.


I need to find the probability that if it's rainy on the third of May, it will also rain on the third of June.



My initial idea was to write a program that will create the binary tree with all possible combinations and then I just traverse through all of them and sum the probabilities accordingly, but unfortunately, I have to do this by hand, so any help is very welcome.







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    You can diagonalize the transition matrix and raise it to the desired power.
    – SmileyCraft
    7 hours ago






  • 1




    It is easy to compute the limiting probabilities...you might imagine that $30$ days (or whatever) is long enough for the probabilities to be in their limiting state. Running it quickly on a spreadsheet, it looks like they get to the limit much quicker than that.
    – lulu
    7 hours ago
















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    You can diagonalize the transition matrix and raise it to the desired power.
    – SmileyCraft
    7 hours ago






  • 1




    It is easy to compute the limiting probabilities...you might imagine that $30$ days (or whatever) is long enough for the probabilities to be in their limiting state. Running it quickly on a spreadsheet, it looks like they get to the limit much quicker than that.
    – lulu
    7 hours ago










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You can diagonalize the transition matrix and raise it to the desired power.
– SmileyCraft
7 hours ago




You can diagonalize the transition matrix and raise it to the desired power.
– SmileyCraft
7 hours ago




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It is easy to compute the limiting probabilities...you might imagine that $30$ days (or whatever) is long enough for the probabilities to be in their limiting state. Running it quickly on a spreadsheet, it looks like they get to the limit much quicker than that.
– lulu
7 hours ago






It is easy to compute the limiting probabilities...you might imagine that $30$ days (or whatever) is long enough for the probabilities to be in their limiting state. Running it quickly on a spreadsheet, it looks like they get to the limit much quicker than that.
– lulu
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A binary tree is definitely a possible way to solve this problem.



Another way to think about it though is maybe in the language or linear algebra.



We can represent day as the vector: $begin{pmatrix} s \ rend{pmatrix}$ where $s$ is the probability of sun on that day and $r$ represents the chance of rain, and then the matrix:
$$begin{pmatrix} 0.8 & 0.4 \ 0.2 & 0.6 end{pmatrix}$$
would represent the transition function from one day to another.



So if we have rain on the 3rd of May, the probability vector for the 4th of May will be $begin{pmatrix} 0.8 & 0.4 \ 0.2 & 0.6 end{pmatrix} begin{pmatrix} 0 \ 1end{pmatrix}$.



More generally,
$$begin{pmatrix} 0.8 & 0.4 \ 0.2 & 0.6 end{pmatrix}^n begin{pmatrix} 0 \ 1end{pmatrix}$$
the probability vector for the nth day after the 3rd of May. For your problem, I think $n = 31$.



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    left{begin{array}{rcl}
    ds{P_{n}} & ds{equiv} & Rainy Probability mbox{at the} n_{th} mbox{Day}
    \
    ds{P_{1}} & ds{=} & ds{1}
    \
    ds{P_{31}} & ds{=} & ds{large ?}
    end{array}right.
    $$

    $ds{P_{n}}$ is given by
    begin{align}
    &P_{n} = pars{1 - P_{n - 1}}0.2 + P_{n - 1}pars{1 - 0.4},,qquad P_{1} = 1
    \[5mm]
    implies &pars{P_{n} - {1 over 3}} - {2 over 5}pars{P_{n - 1} - {1 over 3}} = 0
    \[5mm]
    implies &
    bbx{P_{n} = {1 over 3} + {5 over 3}pars{2 over 5}^{n}}
    \[5mm] implies &
    P_{31} =
    {310440858205875333091 over 931322574615478515625} approx
    bbox[#ffd,10px,border:1px groove navy]{0.3333}
    end{align}






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    • I think there are more than four $3$s at the start of the final decimal. Perhaps $11$?
      – Henry
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    • @Henry That's true.
      – Felix Marin
      31 mins ago











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    A binary tree is definitely a possible way to solve this problem.



    Another way to think about it though is maybe in the language or linear algebra.



    We can represent day as the vector: $begin{pmatrix} s \ rend{pmatrix}$ where $s$ is the probability of sun on that day and $r$ represents the chance of rain, and then the matrix:
    $$begin{pmatrix} 0.8 & 0.4 \ 0.2 & 0.6 end{pmatrix}$$
    would represent the transition function from one day to another.



    So if we have rain on the 3rd of May, the probability vector for the 4th of May will be $begin{pmatrix} 0.8 & 0.4 \ 0.2 & 0.6 end{pmatrix} begin{pmatrix} 0 \ 1end{pmatrix}$.



    More generally,
    $$begin{pmatrix} 0.8 & 0.4 \ 0.2 & 0.6 end{pmatrix}^n begin{pmatrix} 0 \ 1end{pmatrix}$$
    the probability vector for the nth day after the 3rd of May. For your problem, I think $n = 31$.



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    I notice now that SmileyCraft makes a good point to diagonize this transition matrix and this makes the power easier to work with.






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      A binary tree is definitely a possible way to solve this problem.



      Another way to think about it though is maybe in the language or linear algebra.



      We can represent day as the vector: $begin{pmatrix} s \ rend{pmatrix}$ where $s$ is the probability of sun on that day and $r$ represents the chance of rain, and then the matrix:
      $$begin{pmatrix} 0.8 & 0.4 \ 0.2 & 0.6 end{pmatrix}$$
      would represent the transition function from one day to another.



      So if we have rain on the 3rd of May, the probability vector for the 4th of May will be $begin{pmatrix} 0.8 & 0.4 \ 0.2 & 0.6 end{pmatrix} begin{pmatrix} 0 \ 1end{pmatrix}$.



      More generally,
      $$begin{pmatrix} 0.8 & 0.4 \ 0.2 & 0.6 end{pmatrix}^n begin{pmatrix} 0 \ 1end{pmatrix}$$
      the probability vector for the nth day after the 3rd of May. For your problem, I think $n = 31$.



      edit
      I notice now that SmileyCraft makes a good point to diagonize this transition matrix and this makes the power easier to work with.






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        A binary tree is definitely a possible way to solve this problem.



        Another way to think about it though is maybe in the language or linear algebra.



        We can represent day as the vector: $begin{pmatrix} s \ rend{pmatrix}$ where $s$ is the probability of sun on that day and $r$ represents the chance of rain, and then the matrix:
        $$begin{pmatrix} 0.8 & 0.4 \ 0.2 & 0.6 end{pmatrix}$$
        would represent the transition function from one day to another.



        So if we have rain on the 3rd of May, the probability vector for the 4th of May will be $begin{pmatrix} 0.8 & 0.4 \ 0.2 & 0.6 end{pmatrix} begin{pmatrix} 0 \ 1end{pmatrix}$.



        More generally,
        $$begin{pmatrix} 0.8 & 0.4 \ 0.2 & 0.6 end{pmatrix}^n begin{pmatrix} 0 \ 1end{pmatrix}$$
        the probability vector for the nth day after the 3rd of May. For your problem, I think $n = 31$.



        edit
        I notice now that SmileyCraft makes a good point to diagonize this transition matrix and this makes the power easier to work with.






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        A binary tree is definitely a possible way to solve this problem.



        Another way to think about it though is maybe in the language or linear algebra.



        We can represent day as the vector: $begin{pmatrix} s \ rend{pmatrix}$ where $s$ is the probability of sun on that day and $r$ represents the chance of rain, and then the matrix:
        $$begin{pmatrix} 0.8 & 0.4 \ 0.2 & 0.6 end{pmatrix}$$
        would represent the transition function from one day to another.



        So if we have rain on the 3rd of May, the probability vector for the 4th of May will be $begin{pmatrix} 0.8 & 0.4 \ 0.2 & 0.6 end{pmatrix} begin{pmatrix} 0 \ 1end{pmatrix}$.



        More generally,
        $$begin{pmatrix} 0.8 & 0.4 \ 0.2 & 0.6 end{pmatrix}^n begin{pmatrix} 0 \ 1end{pmatrix}$$
        the probability vector for the nth day after the 3rd of May. For your problem, I think $n = 31$.



        edit
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            $$
            left{begin{array}{rcl}
            ds{P_{n}} & ds{equiv} & Rainy Probability mbox{at the} n_{th} mbox{Day}
            \
            ds{P_{1}} & ds{=} & ds{1}
            \
            ds{P_{31}} & ds{=} & ds{large ?}
            end{array}right.
            $$

            $ds{P_{n}}$ is given by
            begin{align}
            &P_{n} = pars{1 - P_{n - 1}}0.2 + P_{n - 1}pars{1 - 0.4},,qquad P_{1} = 1
            \[5mm]
            implies &pars{P_{n} - {1 over 3}} - {2 over 5}pars{P_{n - 1} - {1 over 3}} = 0
            \[5mm]
            implies &
            bbx{P_{n} = {1 over 3} + {5 over 3}pars{2 over 5}^{n}}
            \[5mm] implies &
            P_{31} =
            {310440858205875333091 over 931322574615478515625} approx
            bbox[#ffd,10px,border:1px groove navy]{0.3333}
            end{align}






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            • I think there are more than four $3$s at the start of the final decimal. Perhaps $11$?
              – Henry
              2 hours ago










            • @Henry That's true.
              – Felix Marin
              31 mins ago















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            $$
            left{begin{array}{rcl}
            ds{P_{n}} & ds{equiv} & Rainy Probability mbox{at the} n_{th} mbox{Day}
            \
            ds{P_{1}} & ds{=} & ds{1}
            \
            ds{P_{31}} & ds{=} & ds{large ?}
            end{array}right.
            $$

            $ds{P_{n}}$ is given by
            begin{align}
            &P_{n} = pars{1 - P_{n - 1}}0.2 + P_{n - 1}pars{1 - 0.4},,qquad P_{1} = 1
            \[5mm]
            implies &pars{P_{n} - {1 over 3}} - {2 over 5}pars{P_{n - 1} - {1 over 3}} = 0
            \[5mm]
            implies &
            bbx{P_{n} = {1 over 3} + {5 over 3}pars{2 over 5}^{n}}
            \[5mm] implies &
            P_{31} =
            {310440858205875333091 over 931322574615478515625} approx
            bbox[#ffd,10px,border:1px groove navy]{0.3333}
            end{align}






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            • I think there are more than four $3$s at the start of the final decimal. Perhaps $11$?
              – Henry
              2 hours ago










            • @Henry That's true.
              – Felix Marin
              31 mins ago













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            $$
            left{begin{array}{rcl}
            ds{P_{n}} & ds{equiv} & Rainy Probability mbox{at the} n_{th} mbox{Day}
            \
            ds{P_{1}} & ds{=} & ds{1}
            \
            ds{P_{31}} & ds{=} & ds{large ?}
            end{array}right.
            $$

            $ds{P_{n}}$ is given by
            begin{align}
            &P_{n} = pars{1 - P_{n - 1}}0.2 + P_{n - 1}pars{1 - 0.4},,qquad P_{1} = 1
            \[5mm]
            implies &pars{P_{n} - {1 over 3}} - {2 over 5}pars{P_{n - 1} - {1 over 3}} = 0
            \[5mm]
            implies &
            bbx{P_{n} = {1 over 3} + {5 over 3}pars{2 over 5}^{n}}
            \[5mm] implies &
            P_{31} =
            {310440858205875333091 over 931322574615478515625} approx
            bbox[#ffd,10px,border:1px groove navy]{0.3333}
            end{align}






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            ds{P_{n}} & ds{equiv} & Rainy Probability mbox{at the} n_{th} mbox{Day}
            \
            ds{P_{1}} & ds{=} & ds{1}
            \
            ds{P_{31}} & ds{=} & ds{large ?}
            end{array}right.
            $$

            $ds{P_{n}}$ is given by
            begin{align}
            &P_{n} = pars{1 - P_{n - 1}}0.2 + P_{n - 1}pars{1 - 0.4},,qquad P_{1} = 1
            \[5mm]
            implies &pars{P_{n} - {1 over 3}} - {2 over 5}pars{P_{n - 1} - {1 over 3}} = 0
            \[5mm]
            implies &
            bbx{P_{n} = {1 over 3} + {5 over 3}pars{2 over 5}^{n}}
            \[5mm] implies &
            P_{31} =
            {310440858205875333091 over 931322574615478515625} approx
            bbox[#ffd,10px,border:1px groove navy]{0.3333}
            end{align}







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            • I think there are more than four $3$s at the start of the final decimal. Perhaps $11$?
              – Henry
              2 hours ago










            • @Henry That's true.
              – Felix Marin
              31 mins ago


















            • I think there are more than four $3$s at the start of the final decimal. Perhaps $11$?
              – Henry
              2 hours ago










            • @Henry That's true.
              – Felix Marin
              31 mins ago
















            I think there are more than four $3$s at the start of the final decimal. Perhaps $11$?
            – Henry
            2 hours ago




            I think there are more than four $3$s at the start of the final decimal. Perhaps $11$?
            – Henry
            2 hours ago












            @Henry That's true.
            – Felix Marin
            31 mins ago




            @Henry That's true.
            – Felix Marin
            31 mins ago


















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