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My Dino theme park business didn't end well and I reluctantly fall into depression and decided to go into suspended animation to seek a cure. 200 years later, a lady claims she works with the military woke me up and wants to award a contract of constructing 1000 space ready battleships within 5 years. My depression was instantly cured and promptly agreed to take the offer, after learning everything about spaceship building from many social media I need to look for a suitable site for the construction.



Would it be much faster and economical to do shipbuilding in low gravity region such as orbit compared to on the surface? The contract states that I must deliver the fleet battle ready on Mars surface within 10 years, propulsion engines to be provided by a sub contractor appointed by the client and the only details I received regarding the engine is that it has a specific impulse of 3 million Newton Seconds/Kg. If the economy has remain stagnant ever since fall of 2018, should I put my factories into orbit?










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  • Do you have a usable and easily accessible space elevator? Otherwise its going to depend a lot on size, resources and purpose. A ship build in orbit might never need to enter the atmosphere or have enough fuel to break free of the atmosphere, but shipping all the parts up one by one is going to be extremely expensive.
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  • @Shadowzee: is it expansive? how much does it cost to hire half the population(2018) to peel ductape?
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  • I'm saying the cost would be dependent on the infrastructure you have to get parts into space. If there was already a space elevator, it would be far cheaper than hiring companies to fly small payloads up into space. Depending on how much weight you need to lift up, it might end up being cheaper building them on the ground.
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  • @Shadowzee: oh I see sorry just woke up from a long slumber and last I check carbon nanotube is peeled film by film. If you can propose a believable tech to mass produce I'll take u as my consultant good pay and free dental👌
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    I thought carbon nanotubes are formed via deposition onto a catalyst material and the Duct tape method was to get a 1 layer thick sheet of graphene(?)
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My Dino theme park business didn't end well and I reluctantly fall into depression and decided to go into suspended animation to seek a cure. 200 years later, a lady claims she works with the military woke me up and wants to award a contract of constructing 1000 space ready battleships within 5 years. My depression was instantly cured and promptly agreed to take the offer, after learning everything about spaceship building from many social media I need to look for a suitable site for the construction.



Would it be much faster and economical to do shipbuilding in low gravity region such as orbit compared to on the surface? The contract states that I must deliver the fleet battle ready on Mars surface within 10 years, propulsion engines to be provided by a sub contractor appointed by the client and the only details I received regarding the engine is that it has a specific impulse of 3 million Newton Seconds/Kg. If the economy has remain stagnant ever since fall of 2018, should I put my factories into orbit?










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  • Do you have a usable and easily accessible space elevator? Otherwise its going to depend a lot on size, resources and purpose. A ship build in orbit might never need to enter the atmosphere or have enough fuel to break free of the atmosphere, but shipping all the parts up one by one is going to be extremely expensive.
    – Shadowzee
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  • @Shadowzee: is it expansive? how much does it cost to hire half the population(2018) to peel ductape?
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  • I'm saying the cost would be dependent on the infrastructure you have to get parts into space. If there was already a space elevator, it would be far cheaper than hiring companies to fly small payloads up into space. Depending on how much weight you need to lift up, it might end up being cheaper building them on the ground.
    – Shadowzee
    3 hours ago










  • @Shadowzee: oh I see sorry just woke up from a long slumber and last I check carbon nanotube is peeled film by film. If you can propose a believable tech to mass produce I'll take u as my consultant good pay and free dental👌
    – user6760
    3 hours ago






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    I thought carbon nanotubes are formed via deposition onto a catalyst material and the Duct tape method was to get a 1 layer thick sheet of graphene(?)
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My Dino theme park business didn't end well and I reluctantly fall into depression and decided to go into suspended animation to seek a cure. 200 years later, a lady claims she works with the military woke me up and wants to award a contract of constructing 1000 space ready battleships within 5 years. My depression was instantly cured and promptly agreed to take the offer, after learning everything about spaceship building from many social media I need to look for a suitable site for the construction.



Would it be much faster and economical to do shipbuilding in low gravity region such as orbit compared to on the surface? The contract states that I must deliver the fleet battle ready on Mars surface within 10 years, propulsion engines to be provided by a sub contractor appointed by the client and the only details I received regarding the engine is that it has a specific impulse of 3 million Newton Seconds/Kg. If the economy has remain stagnant ever since fall of 2018, should I put my factories into orbit?










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My Dino theme park business didn't end well and I reluctantly fall into depression and decided to go into suspended animation to seek a cure. 200 years later, a lady claims she works with the military woke me up and wants to award a contract of constructing 1000 space ready battleships within 5 years. My depression was instantly cured and promptly agreed to take the offer, after learning everything about spaceship building from many social media I need to look for a suitable site for the construction.



Would it be much faster and economical to do shipbuilding in low gravity region such as orbit compared to on the surface? The contract states that I must deliver the fleet battle ready on Mars surface within 10 years, propulsion engines to be provided by a sub contractor appointed by the client and the only details I received regarding the engine is that it has a specific impulse of 3 million Newton Seconds/Kg. If the economy has remain stagnant ever since fall of 2018, should I put my factories into orbit?







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  • Do you have a usable and easily accessible space elevator? Otherwise its going to depend a lot on size, resources and purpose. A ship build in orbit might never need to enter the atmosphere or have enough fuel to break free of the atmosphere, but shipping all the parts up one by one is going to be extremely expensive.
    – Shadowzee
    3 hours ago










  • @Shadowzee: is it expansive? how much does it cost to hire half the population(2018) to peel ductape?
    – user6760
    3 hours ago










  • I'm saying the cost would be dependent on the infrastructure you have to get parts into space. If there was already a space elevator, it would be far cheaper than hiring companies to fly small payloads up into space. Depending on how much weight you need to lift up, it might end up being cheaper building them on the ground.
    – Shadowzee
    3 hours ago










  • @Shadowzee: oh I see sorry just woke up from a long slumber and last I check carbon nanotube is peeled film by film. If you can propose a believable tech to mass produce I'll take u as my consultant good pay and free dental👌
    – user6760
    3 hours ago






  • 1




    I thought carbon nanotubes are formed via deposition onto a catalyst material and the Duct tape method was to get a 1 layer thick sheet of graphene(?)
    – Shadowzee
    3 hours ago


















  • Do you have a usable and easily accessible space elevator? Otherwise its going to depend a lot on size, resources and purpose. A ship build in orbit might never need to enter the atmosphere or have enough fuel to break free of the atmosphere, but shipping all the parts up one by one is going to be extremely expensive.
    – Shadowzee
    3 hours ago










  • @Shadowzee: is it expansive? how much does it cost to hire half the population(2018) to peel ductape?
    – user6760
    3 hours ago










  • I'm saying the cost would be dependent on the infrastructure you have to get parts into space. If there was already a space elevator, it would be far cheaper than hiring companies to fly small payloads up into space. Depending on how much weight you need to lift up, it might end up being cheaper building them on the ground.
    – Shadowzee
    3 hours ago










  • @Shadowzee: oh I see sorry just woke up from a long slumber and last I check carbon nanotube is peeled film by film. If you can propose a believable tech to mass produce I'll take u as my consultant good pay and free dental👌
    – user6760
    3 hours ago






  • 1




    I thought carbon nanotubes are formed via deposition onto a catalyst material and the Duct tape method was to get a 1 layer thick sheet of graphene(?)
    – Shadowzee
    3 hours ago
















Do you have a usable and easily accessible space elevator? Otherwise its going to depend a lot on size, resources and purpose. A ship build in orbit might never need to enter the atmosphere or have enough fuel to break free of the atmosphere, but shipping all the parts up one by one is going to be extremely expensive.
– Shadowzee
3 hours ago




Do you have a usable and easily accessible space elevator? Otherwise its going to depend a lot on size, resources and purpose. A ship build in orbit might never need to enter the atmosphere or have enough fuel to break free of the atmosphere, but shipping all the parts up one by one is going to be extremely expensive.
– Shadowzee
3 hours ago












@Shadowzee: is it expansive? how much does it cost to hire half the population(2018) to peel ductape?
– user6760
3 hours ago




@Shadowzee: is it expansive? how much does it cost to hire half the population(2018) to peel ductape?
– user6760
3 hours ago












I'm saying the cost would be dependent on the infrastructure you have to get parts into space. If there was already a space elevator, it would be far cheaper than hiring companies to fly small payloads up into space. Depending on how much weight you need to lift up, it might end up being cheaper building them on the ground.
– Shadowzee
3 hours ago




I'm saying the cost would be dependent on the infrastructure you have to get parts into space. If there was already a space elevator, it would be far cheaper than hiring companies to fly small payloads up into space. Depending on how much weight you need to lift up, it might end up being cheaper building them on the ground.
– Shadowzee
3 hours ago












@Shadowzee: oh I see sorry just woke up from a long slumber and last I check carbon nanotube is peeled film by film. If you can propose a believable tech to mass produce I'll take u as my consultant good pay and free dental👌
– user6760
3 hours ago




@Shadowzee: oh I see sorry just woke up from a long slumber and last I check carbon nanotube is peeled film by film. If you can propose a believable tech to mass produce I'll take u as my consultant good pay and free dental👌
– user6760
3 hours ago




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I thought carbon nanotubes are formed via deposition onto a catalyst material and the Duct tape method was to get a 1 layer thick sheet of graphene(?)
– Shadowzee
3 hours ago




I thought carbon nanotubes are formed via deposition onto a catalyst material and the Duct tape method was to get a 1 layer thick sheet of graphene(?)
– Shadowzee
3 hours ago










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There are several important factors here, like whether or not your space fleet has been designed to also operate in a gravity well, and whether or not you have access to a space elevator.



In general terms, if the answer to the first question is yes, and the second no, then you're far better building on the ground, so as to save the energy cost of getting construction tools and people into orbit. The amount of mass you have to lift is the key factor here and lifting the ship (as opposed to the mass of the ship AND the mass of the construction tools and people) is obviously smaller).



In almost every other scenario, you're better off building in orbit, especially if you have access to raw materials from low gravity locations like (say) the asteroid belt. Being able to build the ship in space is actually essential if it's not designed to lift off a planet, and if you have a space elevator, it's easier and cheaper to lift the mass of the ship components up into space for assembly and launch.



Space is dangerous of course, and building in space means many different things can go wrong, so this may well be the most efficient solution in terms of energy cost, but your staff safety costs are likely to go through the roof, and the pool of people actually rated to build in space is much lower, meaning they'll demand much higher salaries.



In short, there are many considerations, energy cost being only one. I'd factor in (at a minimum) design constraints of the ships, raw material sourcing, availability of space elevators and the like, and whether or not your contract requires you to pay for the energy cost in the first place or fuel etc. is supplied.






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    You might try a hybrid approach as well: build small fiddly objects (like computers) or even whole assemblies (like weapons or thrusters) here on Earth, then launch them to orbit for attachment to the space-built frame.
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The only advantage of building in orbit is that, if you lack the capacity of lifting a huge load, you can send many small loads in space and create the huge there. Moreover if your assembly doesn't have to fly through the high Q region of atmosphere, you have more versatility with the design.



That is basically what has been done with the ISS.



For all the rest building in space with present level of technology is a real pain in the back: it is expensive, it's hard to hide, it's highly risky.






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    There are several important factors here, like whether or not your space fleet has been designed to also operate in a gravity well, and whether or not you have access to a space elevator.



    In general terms, if the answer to the first question is yes, and the second no, then you're far better building on the ground, so as to save the energy cost of getting construction tools and people into orbit. The amount of mass you have to lift is the key factor here and lifting the ship (as opposed to the mass of the ship AND the mass of the construction tools and people) is obviously smaller).



    In almost every other scenario, you're better off building in orbit, especially if you have access to raw materials from low gravity locations like (say) the asteroid belt. Being able to build the ship in space is actually essential if it's not designed to lift off a planet, and if you have a space elevator, it's easier and cheaper to lift the mass of the ship components up into space for assembly and launch.



    Space is dangerous of course, and building in space means many different things can go wrong, so this may well be the most efficient solution in terms of energy cost, but your staff safety costs are likely to go through the roof, and the pool of people actually rated to build in space is much lower, meaning they'll demand much higher salaries.



    In short, there are many considerations, energy cost being only one. I'd factor in (at a minimum) design constraints of the ships, raw material sourcing, availability of space elevators and the like, and whether or not your contract requires you to pay for the energy cost in the first place or fuel etc. is supplied.






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      You might try a hybrid approach as well: build small fiddly objects (like computers) or even whole assemblies (like weapons or thrusters) here on Earth, then launch them to orbit for attachment to the space-built frame.
      – Cadence
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    There are several important factors here, like whether or not your space fleet has been designed to also operate in a gravity well, and whether or not you have access to a space elevator.



    In general terms, if the answer to the first question is yes, and the second no, then you're far better building on the ground, so as to save the energy cost of getting construction tools and people into orbit. The amount of mass you have to lift is the key factor here and lifting the ship (as opposed to the mass of the ship AND the mass of the construction tools and people) is obviously smaller).



    In almost every other scenario, you're better off building in orbit, especially if you have access to raw materials from low gravity locations like (say) the asteroid belt. Being able to build the ship in space is actually essential if it's not designed to lift off a planet, and if you have a space elevator, it's easier and cheaper to lift the mass of the ship components up into space for assembly and launch.



    Space is dangerous of course, and building in space means many different things can go wrong, so this may well be the most efficient solution in terms of energy cost, but your staff safety costs are likely to go through the roof, and the pool of people actually rated to build in space is much lower, meaning they'll demand much higher salaries.



    In short, there are many considerations, energy cost being only one. I'd factor in (at a minimum) design constraints of the ships, raw material sourcing, availability of space elevators and the like, and whether or not your contract requires you to pay for the energy cost in the first place or fuel etc. is supplied.






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      You might try a hybrid approach as well: build small fiddly objects (like computers) or even whole assemblies (like weapons or thrusters) here on Earth, then launch them to orbit for attachment to the space-built frame.
      – Cadence
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    There are several important factors here, like whether or not your space fleet has been designed to also operate in a gravity well, and whether or not you have access to a space elevator.



    In general terms, if the answer to the first question is yes, and the second no, then you're far better building on the ground, so as to save the energy cost of getting construction tools and people into orbit. The amount of mass you have to lift is the key factor here and lifting the ship (as opposed to the mass of the ship AND the mass of the construction tools and people) is obviously smaller).



    In almost every other scenario, you're better off building in orbit, especially if you have access to raw materials from low gravity locations like (say) the asteroid belt. Being able to build the ship in space is actually essential if it's not designed to lift off a planet, and if you have a space elevator, it's easier and cheaper to lift the mass of the ship components up into space for assembly and launch.



    Space is dangerous of course, and building in space means many different things can go wrong, so this may well be the most efficient solution in terms of energy cost, but your staff safety costs are likely to go through the roof, and the pool of people actually rated to build in space is much lower, meaning they'll demand much higher salaries.



    In short, there are many considerations, energy cost being only one. I'd factor in (at a minimum) design constraints of the ships, raw material sourcing, availability of space elevators and the like, and whether or not your contract requires you to pay for the energy cost in the first place or fuel etc. is supplied.






    share|improve this answer












    There are several important factors here, like whether or not your space fleet has been designed to also operate in a gravity well, and whether or not you have access to a space elevator.



    In general terms, if the answer to the first question is yes, and the second no, then you're far better building on the ground, so as to save the energy cost of getting construction tools and people into orbit. The amount of mass you have to lift is the key factor here and lifting the ship (as opposed to the mass of the ship AND the mass of the construction tools and people) is obviously smaller).



    In almost every other scenario, you're better off building in orbit, especially if you have access to raw materials from low gravity locations like (say) the asteroid belt. Being able to build the ship in space is actually essential if it's not designed to lift off a planet, and if you have a space elevator, it's easier and cheaper to lift the mass of the ship components up into space for assembly and launch.



    Space is dangerous of course, and building in space means many different things can go wrong, so this may well be the most efficient solution in terms of energy cost, but your staff safety costs are likely to go through the roof, and the pool of people actually rated to build in space is much lower, meaning they'll demand much higher salaries.



    In short, there are many considerations, energy cost being only one. I'd factor in (at a minimum) design constraints of the ships, raw material sourcing, availability of space elevators and the like, and whether or not your contract requires you to pay for the energy cost in the first place or fuel etc. is supplied.







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      You might try a hybrid approach as well: build small fiddly objects (like computers) or even whole assemblies (like weapons or thrusters) here on Earth, then launch them to orbit for attachment to the space-built frame.
      – Cadence
      3 hours ago














    • 1




      You might try a hybrid approach as well: build small fiddly objects (like computers) or even whole assemblies (like weapons or thrusters) here on Earth, then launch them to orbit for attachment to the space-built frame.
      – Cadence
      3 hours ago








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    You might try a hybrid approach as well: build small fiddly objects (like computers) or even whole assemblies (like weapons or thrusters) here on Earth, then launch them to orbit for attachment to the space-built frame.
    – Cadence
    3 hours ago




    You might try a hybrid approach as well: build small fiddly objects (like computers) or even whole assemblies (like weapons or thrusters) here on Earth, then launch them to orbit for attachment to the space-built frame.
    – Cadence
    3 hours ago










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    The only advantage of building in orbit is that, if you lack the capacity of lifting a huge load, you can send many small loads in space and create the huge there. Moreover if your assembly doesn't have to fly through the high Q region of atmosphere, you have more versatility with the design.



    That is basically what has been done with the ISS.



    For all the rest building in space with present level of technology is a real pain in the back: it is expensive, it's hard to hide, it's highly risky.






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      The only advantage of building in orbit is that, if you lack the capacity of lifting a huge load, you can send many small loads in space and create the huge there. Moreover if your assembly doesn't have to fly through the high Q region of atmosphere, you have more versatility with the design.



      That is basically what has been done with the ISS.



      For all the rest building in space with present level of technology is a real pain in the back: it is expensive, it's hard to hide, it's highly risky.






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        The only advantage of building in orbit is that, if you lack the capacity of lifting a huge load, you can send many small loads in space and create the huge there. Moreover if your assembly doesn't have to fly through the high Q region of atmosphere, you have more versatility with the design.



        That is basically what has been done with the ISS.



        For all the rest building in space with present level of technology is a real pain in the back: it is expensive, it's hard to hide, it's highly risky.






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        The only advantage of building in orbit is that, if you lack the capacity of lifting a huge load, you can send many small loads in space and create the huge there. Moreover if your assembly doesn't have to fly through the high Q region of atmosphere, you have more versatility with the design.



        That is basically what has been done with the ISS.



        For all the rest building in space with present level of technology is a real pain in the back: it is expensive, it's hard to hide, it's highly risky.







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