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In Captain America: The First Avenger, during the final one-on-one fight between Captain America and Red Skull, Red Skull says "I have seen the future, there are no flags" to which Cap replies "Not my future!" and continues fighting, leading to teleportation of Red Skull to Vormir.



Having the Tesseract for quite some time, and being aware of Greek mythology (familiar with terms like Yggdrasil, the tree of life, alien tech etc) did he somehow manage to use Tesseract to see the future, or what else was the above conversation about?






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    I think you are thinking of norse mithology, not greek. The closest thing the greeks had to a 'tree of life' is the olive tree.
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  • tree of life wiki page also don't mention about any Greek connection.
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  • Tangential, but considering the laws of relativity, a space stone should be able to manipulate time and vice versa.
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In Captain America: The First Avenger, during the final one-on-one fight between Captain America and Red Skull, Red Skull says "I have seen the future, there are no flags" to which Cap replies "Not my future!" and continues fighting, leading to teleportation of Red Skull to Vormir.



Having the Tesseract for quite some time, and being aware of Greek mythology (familiar with terms like Yggdrasil, the tree of life, alien tech etc) did he somehow manage to use Tesseract to see the future, or what else was the above conversation about?






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    I think you are thinking of norse mithology, not greek. The closest thing the greeks had to a 'tree of life' is the olive tree.
    – Mindwin
    12 hours ago










  • tree of life wiki page also don't mention about any Greek connection.
    – Ankit Sharma
    10 hours ago










  • Tangential, but considering the laws of relativity, a space stone should be able to manipulate time and vice versa.
    – Arturo Torres Sánchez
    1 hour ago













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In Captain America: The First Avenger, during the final one-on-one fight between Captain America and Red Skull, Red Skull says "I have seen the future, there are no flags" to which Cap replies "Not my future!" and continues fighting, leading to teleportation of Red Skull to Vormir.



Having the Tesseract for quite some time, and being aware of Greek mythology (familiar with terms like Yggdrasil, the tree of life, alien tech etc) did he somehow manage to use Tesseract to see the future, or what else was the above conversation about?






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In Captain America: The First Avenger, during the final one-on-one fight between Captain America and Red Skull, Red Skull says "I have seen the future, there are no flags" to which Cap replies "Not my future!" and continues fighting, leading to teleportation of Red Skull to Vormir.



Having the Tesseract for quite some time, and being aware of Greek mythology (familiar with terms like Yggdrasil, the tree of life, alien tech etc) did he somehow manage to use Tesseract to see the future, or what else was the above conversation about?






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    I think you are thinking of norse mithology, not greek. The closest thing the greeks had to a 'tree of life' is the olive tree.
    – Mindwin
    12 hours ago










  • tree of life wiki page also don't mention about any Greek connection.
    – Ankit Sharma
    10 hours ago










  • Tangential, but considering the laws of relativity, a space stone should be able to manipulate time and vice versa.
    – Arturo Torres Sánchez
    1 hour ago














  • 11




    I think you are thinking of norse mithology, not greek. The closest thing the greeks had to a 'tree of life' is the olive tree.
    – Mindwin
    12 hours ago










  • tree of life wiki page also don't mention about any Greek connection.
    – Ankit Sharma
    10 hours ago










  • Tangential, but considering the laws of relativity, a space stone should be able to manipulate time and vice versa.
    – Arturo Torres Sánchez
    1 hour ago








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I think you are thinking of norse mithology, not greek. The closest thing the greeks had to a 'tree of life' is the olive tree.
– Mindwin
12 hours ago




I think you are thinking of norse mithology, not greek. The closest thing the greeks had to a 'tree of life' is the olive tree.
– Mindwin
12 hours ago












tree of life wiki page also don't mention about any Greek connection.
– Ankit Sharma
10 hours ago




tree of life wiki page also don't mention about any Greek connection.
– Ankit Sharma
10 hours ago












Tangential, but considering the laws of relativity, a space stone should be able to manipulate time and vice versa.
– Arturo Torres Sánchez
1 hour ago




Tangential, but considering the laws of relativity, a space stone should be able to manipulate time and vice versa.
– Arturo Torres Sánchez
1 hour ago










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He did NOT literally see the future, of course, because that isn't at all what happened (in his future). He is simply talking about his vision for the future, presumably when the entire earth is ruled by him and Hydra so there is no need for national flags.



This is just a villain being overconfident in his victory and using metaphorical language.



Also, the space stone (The Tesseract) doesn't give you the ability to see through time. Red skull was never even able to get it to manipulate space, all he ever did was tap it like some sort of energy source for his weapons. The moment he first touched it outside of that he got teleported elsewhere, possibly Vormir.






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  • ya, that was Vormir for sure, later revealed in Infinity War
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    He ended up in Vormir for sure, i'm just not sure if he went elsewhere first (some online chatter about that). Anyway, I hope that answers your question
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    During Infinity War he did say "A lifetime ago, I, too, sought the stones. I even held one in my hand. But it cast me out, banished me here. Guiding others to a treasure I cannot possess."
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    @sudo again, we don't know the full journey even with that summary, so I didn't want to speculate... but i do agree that is what's most likely and obvious
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In Universe: Figure of speech



Out of Universe: Foreshadowing.



He can't see future as he will not purposefully ruin his future by being stonekeeper and nothing suggest he can see the future, he just said for impact but it was also for audience as foreshadowing as spotted by reddit user. And Captain America having no flag on his cloths is also nod to Nomad.






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    He did NOT literally see the future, of course, because that isn't at all what happened (in his future). He is simply talking about his vision for the future, presumably when the entire earth is ruled by him and Hydra so there is no need for national flags.



    This is just a villain being overconfident in his victory and using metaphorical language.



    Also, the space stone (The Tesseract) doesn't give you the ability to see through time. Red skull was never even able to get it to manipulate space, all he ever did was tap it like some sort of energy source for his weapons. The moment he first touched it outside of that he got teleported elsewhere, possibly Vormir.






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    • ya, that was Vormir for sure, later revealed in Infinity War
      – master ArSuKa
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      He ended up in Vormir for sure, i'm just not sure if he went elsewhere first (some online chatter about that). Anyway, I hope that answers your question
      – Ofer Sadan
      14 hours ago








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      During Infinity War he did say "A lifetime ago, I, too, sought the stones. I even held one in my hand. But it cast me out, banished me here. Guiding others to a treasure I cannot possess."
      – sudo
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      @sudo again, we don't know the full journey even with that summary, so I didn't want to speculate... but i do agree that is what's most likely and obvious
      – Ofer Sadan
      11 hours ago















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    He did NOT literally see the future, of course, because that isn't at all what happened (in his future). He is simply talking about his vision for the future, presumably when the entire earth is ruled by him and Hydra so there is no need for national flags.



    This is just a villain being overconfident in his victory and using metaphorical language.



    Also, the space stone (The Tesseract) doesn't give you the ability to see through time. Red skull was never even able to get it to manipulate space, all he ever did was tap it like some sort of energy source for his weapons. The moment he first touched it outside of that he got teleported elsewhere, possibly Vormir.






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    • ya, that was Vormir for sure, later revealed in Infinity War
      – master ArSuKa
      14 hours ago








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      He ended up in Vormir for sure, i'm just not sure if he went elsewhere first (some online chatter about that). Anyway, I hope that answers your question
      – Ofer Sadan
      14 hours ago








    • 5




      During Infinity War he did say "A lifetime ago, I, too, sought the stones. I even held one in my hand. But it cast me out, banished me here. Guiding others to a treasure I cannot possess."
      – sudo
      12 hours ago








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      @sudo again, we don't know the full journey even with that summary, so I didn't want to speculate... but i do agree that is what's most likely and obvious
      – Ofer Sadan
      11 hours ago













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    He did NOT literally see the future, of course, because that isn't at all what happened (in his future). He is simply talking about his vision for the future, presumably when the entire earth is ruled by him and Hydra so there is no need for national flags.



    This is just a villain being overconfident in his victory and using metaphorical language.



    Also, the space stone (The Tesseract) doesn't give you the ability to see through time. Red skull was never even able to get it to manipulate space, all he ever did was tap it like some sort of energy source for his weapons. The moment he first touched it outside of that he got teleported elsewhere, possibly Vormir.






    share|improve this answer














    He did NOT literally see the future, of course, because that isn't at all what happened (in his future). He is simply talking about his vision for the future, presumably when the entire earth is ruled by him and Hydra so there is no need for national flags.



    This is just a villain being overconfident in his victory and using metaphorical language.



    Also, the space stone (The Tesseract) doesn't give you the ability to see through time. Red skull was never even able to get it to manipulate space, all he ever did was tap it like some sort of energy source for his weapons. The moment he first touched it outside of that he got teleported elsewhere, possibly Vormir.







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    • ya, that was Vormir for sure, later revealed in Infinity War
      – master ArSuKa
      14 hours ago








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      He ended up in Vormir for sure, i'm just not sure if he went elsewhere first (some online chatter about that). Anyway, I hope that answers your question
      – Ofer Sadan
      14 hours ago








    • 5




      During Infinity War he did say "A lifetime ago, I, too, sought the stones. I even held one in my hand. But it cast me out, banished me here. Guiding others to a treasure I cannot possess."
      – sudo
      12 hours ago








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      @sudo again, we don't know the full journey even with that summary, so I didn't want to speculate... but i do agree that is what's most likely and obvious
      – Ofer Sadan
      11 hours ago


















    • ya, that was Vormir for sure, later revealed in Infinity War
      – master ArSuKa
      14 hours ago








    • 5




      He ended up in Vormir for sure, i'm just not sure if he went elsewhere first (some online chatter about that). Anyway, I hope that answers your question
      – Ofer Sadan
      14 hours ago








    • 5




      During Infinity War he did say "A lifetime ago, I, too, sought the stones. I even held one in my hand. But it cast me out, banished me here. Guiding others to a treasure I cannot possess."
      – sudo
      12 hours ago








    • 2




      @sudo again, we don't know the full journey even with that summary, so I didn't want to speculate... but i do agree that is what's most likely and obvious
      – Ofer Sadan
      11 hours ago
















    ya, that was Vormir for sure, later revealed in Infinity War
    – master ArSuKa
    14 hours ago






    ya, that was Vormir for sure, later revealed in Infinity War
    – master ArSuKa
    14 hours ago






    5




    5




    He ended up in Vormir for sure, i'm just not sure if he went elsewhere first (some online chatter about that). Anyway, I hope that answers your question
    – Ofer Sadan
    14 hours ago






    He ended up in Vormir for sure, i'm just not sure if he went elsewhere first (some online chatter about that). Anyway, I hope that answers your question
    – Ofer Sadan
    14 hours ago






    5




    5




    During Infinity War he did say "A lifetime ago, I, too, sought the stones. I even held one in my hand. But it cast me out, banished me here. Guiding others to a treasure I cannot possess."
    – sudo
    12 hours ago






    During Infinity War he did say "A lifetime ago, I, too, sought the stones. I even held one in my hand. But it cast me out, banished me here. Guiding others to a treasure I cannot possess."
    – sudo
    12 hours ago






    2




    2




    @sudo again, we don't know the full journey even with that summary, so I didn't want to speculate... but i do agree that is what's most likely and obvious
    – Ofer Sadan
    11 hours ago




    @sudo again, we don't know the full journey even with that summary, so I didn't want to speculate... but i do agree that is what's most likely and obvious
    – Ofer Sadan
    11 hours ago










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    In Universe: Figure of speech



    Out of Universe: Foreshadowing.



    He can't see future as he will not purposefully ruin his future by being stonekeeper and nothing suggest he can see the future, he just said for impact but it was also for audience as foreshadowing as spotted by reddit user. And Captain America having no flag on his cloths is also nod to Nomad.






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      In Universe: Figure of speech



      Out of Universe: Foreshadowing.



      He can't see future as he will not purposefully ruin his future by being stonekeeper and nothing suggest he can see the future, he just said for impact but it was also for audience as foreshadowing as spotted by reddit user. And Captain America having no flag on his cloths is also nod to Nomad.






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        In Universe: Figure of speech



        Out of Universe: Foreshadowing.



        He can't see future as he will not purposefully ruin his future by being stonekeeper and nothing suggest he can see the future, he just said for impact but it was also for audience as foreshadowing as spotted by reddit user. And Captain America having no flag on his cloths is also nod to Nomad.






        share|improve this answer














        In Universe: Figure of speech



        Out of Universe: Foreshadowing.



        He can't see future as he will not purposefully ruin his future by being stonekeeper and nothing suggest he can see the future, he just said for impact but it was also for audience as foreshadowing as spotted by reddit user. And Captain America having no flag on his cloths is also nod to Nomad.







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